[From nobody Thu Jul 28 11:12:09 2011 Received: from rly-df01.mx.aol.com (rly-df01.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.14]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILINDF012-52948c2d1ca260; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 14:54:28 -0400 Received: from cu.imt.net (cu.imt.net [204.212.40.2]) by rly-df01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF016-52948c2d1ca260; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 14:54:02 -0400 Received: from richard01 (unknown [209.200.211.90]) by cu.imt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF333565A7; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 8.0.169 [270.6.16/1650]); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 12:53:49 -0600 Message-ID: <007101c91051$e6283580$0500a8c0@richard01> From: "Richard Benert" <benovich@imt.net> To: <dabookk54@yahoo.com>, <Nks883@aol.com>, <ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org> References: <444050.57239.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Schindel/Schendel - Ljuschitza-Radom Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:53:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-48C2D1C40000=======" X-AOL-IP: 204.212.40.2 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: domain : cu.imt.net ; SPF_helo = n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: domain : imt.net ; SPF_822_from = n --=======AVGMAIL-48C2D1C40000======= Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just to erase any doubts, the name "Ljuschitza" was printed in good old=20 German gothic type in the newspaper. Here's the text of the Nov. 19, 1915,=20 edition: "Gesucht werden (these people are being sought): Elisabeth Wagner geb.=20 Pelzer aus Ljuschitza, Christian Wagner mit Frau und Kindern aus Nikolajews,= =20 Johannes Hessler mit Frau und Kindern aus Nikolajews, Philipp M=FCller mit=20 Frau und Kindern aus Ljuschitza, Johannes Schindel mit Frau und Kindern aus=20 Ljuschitza, Johann Eisenberger mit Frau und Kindern aus Nikolajews. Alle=20 diese sind Fl=FCchtlinge aus dem Gouvernment Radom." Interestingly, the same people appeared in another notice on Dec. 17. This=20 one began with: "Folgende Fl=FCchtlinge suchen ihre Angeh=F6rigen:" (the=20 following refugees seek their relatives [literally, "people belonging to=20 them"]). Apparently either these people all showed up in the meantime but=20 without some of their relatives, or else the Nov. 19 notice was in error due= =20 to some miscommunication or misunderstanding, and these people had been=20 there the whole time. I'd guess the latter possibility is more likely: all= =20 these people did show up together in November in Popowkina (Jost) in Samara=20 province, but all had lost family members along the way. The second notice=20 was sent in by an Alexander Reis who had probably spotted the error=20 committed by his relative, G.B Reis, who sent in the first one, and probably= =20 scolded him for being so careless. (I'm guessing, of course). In any case, the second notice mentions that both villages (Ljuschitza and=20 Nikolajews) were in the district of Sandomir in Radom. I hope this helps=20 nail it down. And I've got to make a few changes in the List posted on the=20 website. Dick ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Karl Krueger" <dabookk54@yahoo.com> To: <Nks883@aol.com>; <ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Schindel/Schendel - Ljuschitza-Radom > Nadine, > You are in good hands with these comments. I did see that Luszyce on Shetl= =20 > Seeker but I assumed it was too far from Radom. Jerry and Howard know what= =20 > they are talking about. I especially like the phonetic match with=20 > Ljuschitza - it is much better than the other possibilites I brought up=20 > but you knew I wasn't satisfied with those. This suggests that Dick did=20 > well with his translation if this is it. > Karl > > --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Howard Krushel <krushelh@telus.net> wrote: > > From: Howard Krushel <krushelh@telus.net> > Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Schindel/Schendel - Ljuschitza-Radom > To: "'Jerry Frank'" <FranklySpeaking@shaw.ca>, Nks883@aol.com,=20 > ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org > Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 12:17 AM > > According to Kneifel, Luszyca and 5 other villages were served by the > Evangelical Reformed church in Sielec(north west of Luszyca below > Staszow)starting in about 1840; the Bethaus (church-school)was established > in Przeczow and in 1920 became a branch of the Kielce parish. The family > history library has the records recorded under Poland, Kielce, Sielec > (Staszow); 1875-1884 have been microfilmed under 1808841 it. 21-22 and > 1808842 it.1-9; with Luszyca being situated so far from a Lutheran parish > church, the Lutherans may have registered their births in the nearby > Catholic church, especially in the early period of their existence. > Howard Krushel > > -----Original Message----- > From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces@eclipse.sggee.org > [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces@eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Jerry > Frank > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:09 PM > To: Nks883@aol.com; ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org > Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Schindel/Schendel - Ljuschitza-Radom > > > Nadine, > > I have found one possible match which would have been within Radom > province at the time - Luszyce, which, given the tz sound for c in > Polish would be a very close match in pronunciation to what you > have. It is, however, about as far away from the town of Radom as > you can get while still staying in the province. > > Use that spelling with > http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp to find it on a map, > just north of the Wisla River and east of Polaniec some 125 miles or > so south of Warsaw. > > Now the trick will be to figure out in which parish you will find > records. My best guess would be Kielce for Lutheran records. Even > that is quite far away so you may want to check nearby Catholic > records as they may have registered there. > > > Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta > FranklySpeaking@shaw.ca > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org > Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org > Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. 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