From Suzanne.Wickum at eu.dodea.edu  Mon Mar  1 06:01:24 2010
From: Suzanne.Wickum at eu.dodea.edu (Wickum, Suzanne)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 15:01:24 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia]  Reinhol(t)z
Message-ID: <1FE1A6AE6E17B9469751DBA96C37536D01B3A392@EU-SHAP-EX01.eu.ds.dodea.edu>

Edelgard,

Hi

I am still researching a Christian Reinholz born on 3 March 1850.  Would
your Christian born in 1835 and married to Anna Chrstine Geissler have
had a boy born in 1850?

Thanks

Suzanne

 

 

 

 

Hello Suzanne,
 
I am interested in your Reinholz family from Kalisz.
The Reinholz family I am researching starts with
 
George Reinholz oo Dorothea Nn
 
Matthias Reinholz oo Anna Rosine Katschen *1781
 
Friedrich Reinholz *1803
oo 11.11.1827 in Stawiszyn
Anna Rosine Karnecki *28.04.1805
 
children born in Piskory, Stawiszyn, Kreis Kalisch:
Johann Gottlieb *1829 oo Dorothea Elisabeth Geissler
Johann Georg Friedrich *1832 oo Anna Karoline Zachaej
(emigrated to Neu Dorosin, Rozyszcze, Luck,Volhynia in 1875)
Christian *1835 oo Anna Christine Geissler,
Karoline *1836 oo Daniel Richter,
Christine *1842 oo Gottfried Zachai.
 
Do you find any connection?
 
Greetings from Germany,
 
Edelgard
 

 



From marciaradis at msn.com  Mon Mar  1 09:50:48 2010
From: marciaradis at msn.com (Marcia Oliveira)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:50:48 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] 03/01
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From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Mon Mar  1 10:59:21 2010
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 11:59:21 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] 03/01
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Jerry Frank
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From udo-edelgard at freenet.de  Mon Mar  1 12:02:49 2010
From: udo-edelgard at freenet.de (Edelgard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 21:02:49 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Reinhol(t)z
References: <1FE1A6AE6E17B9469751DBA96C37536D01B3A392@EU-SHAP-EX01.eu.ds.dodea.edu>
Message-ID: <228687EEEBA841059055212528E3CDB9@acer747b59264e>

Hi Suzanne,

Johann Christian Reinholz, * Mai 31. 1834 in Piskory, Kalisz married Anna 
Christine Geisler, *Oct. 26.1829 in Rosocha, Konin on Jan. 1st 1855 in 
Stawiszyn.

He cannot be the father of your Christian, because in 1850 he was only 16 
years old.

In 2006 you have given me some detailed informations on your family:

Christian Reinholz ur (1850 - 1926 USA) Kalisz? Pinino? Sluzewo?)

Brother to Michael Reinholz (see below), changed name to Christian Reinhold

            Zona: Louise Wentland (15 April 1858- 5 October 1923)  Imigrowac 
1891







I have been looking for the places at
http://mapa.szukacz.pl/

and they are all in the Kujawsko-Pomorska area:

Sluzewo

1338 os?b
woj. kujawsko-pomorskie
pow. aleksandrowski
gmina Aleksandr?w Kujawski

Pinino

140 os?b
woj. kujawsko-pomorskie
pow. rypinski
gmina Rogowo

another place in your spreadsheet was

Odolion

475 os?b
woj. kujawsko-pomorskie
pow. aleksandrowski
gmina Aleksandr?w Kujawski

(Imigrowac 1891 means immigrated in 1891)

Kujawsko-Pomorska is not the area where I am searching. Maybe other 
researchers can give you further help.

Greetings from Germany,

Edelgard


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wickum, Suzanne" <Suzanne.Wickum at eu.dodea.edu>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 3:01 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Reinhol(t)z


> Edelgard,
>
> Hi
>
> I am still researching a Christian Reinholz born on 3 March 1850.  Would
> your Christian born in 1835 and married to Anna Chrstine Geissler have
> had a boy born in 1850?
>
> Thanks
>
> Suzanne
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello Suzanne,
>
> I am interested in your Reinholz family from Kalisz.
> The Reinholz family I am researching starts with
>
> George Reinholz oo Dorothea Nn
>
> Matthias Reinholz oo Anna Rosine Katschen *1781
>
> Friedrich Reinholz *1803
> oo 11.11.1827 in Stawiszyn
> Anna Rosine Karnecki *28.04.1805
>
> children born in Piskory, Stawiszyn, Kreis Kalisch:
> Johann Gottlieb *1829 oo Dorothea Elisabeth Geissler
> Johann Georg Friedrich *1832 oo Anna Karoline Zachaej
> (emigrated to Neu Dorosin, Rozyszcze, Luck,Volhynia in 1875)
> Christian *1835 oo Anna Christine Geissler,
> Karoline *1836 oo Daniel Richter,
> Christine *1842 oo Gottfried Zachai.
>
> Do you find any connection?
>
> Greetings from Germany,
>
> Edelgard
>
>
>
>
>
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From marciaradis at msn.com  Mon Mar  1 12:57:23 2010
From: marciaradis at msn.com (Marcia Oliveira)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 13:57:23 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] 03/01
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From marmel at pctcnet.net  Mon Mar  1 17:50:26 2010
From: marmel at pctcnet.net (marmel)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 19:50:26 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Poland - ancestral tour company
Message-ID: <4A12D0F4DFE541BB81D4D4451C5338FC@marmelPC>

To: Helen Gillespie

Check out possible tour help:  http://www.beactivetour.com/

Has anyone on this list used this company?

Linda in WI

From sarahsolen at hotmail.com  Sun Mar  7 18:34:13 2010
From: sarahsolen at hotmail.com (Sarah Nielsen)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 18:34:13 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Is there any way to get more recent
	information?
Message-ID: <COL123-W23A1BC347388FB079F4FA4DD350@phx.gbl>


I'm still fairly new to Volhynia research, so I may have missed something fairly obvious.  I've noticed that most of the records that are available for searching don't extend beyond 1885. I'm just curious what options I have to research records that fall a little later--particularly through 1915. 

Thanks for your input,

Sarah Nielsen
 		 	   		  

From nancygertner at mac.com  Mon Mar  8 05:14:05 2010
From: nancygertner at mac.com (Nancy Gertner)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 07:14:05 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lutheran Church records after 1885 were
 in Russian Cyrillic, unsure of transcribing status
In-Reply-To: <COL123-W23A1BC347388FB079F4FA4DD350@phx.gbl>
References: <COL123-W23A1BC347388FB079F4FA4DD350@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <9758EC3F-1985-4A38-9A78-B7ECBABDE165@mac.com>

The St. Petersburg Lutheran church records through 1885 were in German.

After that, in Russian.

I'm not sure what their current status is with LDS.

I thought Gwen with LDS was working with a group of translators to  
get them transcribed, but have not heard status on that for awhile.

Gwen died several years ago, so that may have had some impact on the  
project.

While the German records are challenging enough for most of us, the  
Russian cyrillic writing is even more challenging!

Nancy

On Mar 7, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Sarah Nielsen wrote:

>
> I've noticed that most of the records that are available for  
> searching don't extend beyond 1885. I'm just curious what options I  
> have to research records that fall a little later--particularly  
> through 1915.
>
> Thanks for your input,
>
> Sarah Nielsen



From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Mon Mar  8 06:33:46 2010
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 07:33:46 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lutheran Church records after 1885 were
 in Russian Cyrillic, unsure of transcribing status
In-Reply-To: <9758EC3F-1985-4A38-9A78-B7ECBABDE165@mac.com>
References: <COL123-W23A1BC347388FB079F4FA4DD350@phx.gbl>
	<9758EC3F-1985-4A38-9A78-B7ECBABDE165@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4B950ACA.30004@shaw.ca>

Filming of the St. Petersburg records after 1885 stopped primarily 
because of the 100 year rule.  For the past 10 years or so, the St. 
Petersburg Archive has been closed for "renovations".  We don't know 
when it will reopen nor when access to the records will be restored.  We 
also don't know if or when the LDS will resume filming of more recent 
records known to exist.

It appears that Gwen's project was never completed.  She was using 
teenagers at detention facility to do the transcription.  These kids 
were trained to do it but had no language experience.  Even though it 
was being triple checked, I was never convinced that the project was viable.

A full list of available Volhynian records is provided at 
http://www.sggee.org/research/parishes/church_parishes/LutheransInVolhyniaKievPodolia.html 


All original St. Pete films for Volhynia, Podolia, and Kiev have been 
extracted and are included in our databases.  As well, those known 
parish records are being worked on by several volunteers and portions of 
them are now included.  Watch for a new description of content that will 
appear on our pages within about a month or so.

Except for the Rozysczcze parish records and a few scattered Kantorate 
records, research post 1885 is at best difficult if not impossible.

Jerry Frank
Calgary, AB



Nancy Gertner wrote:
> The St. Petersburg Lutheran church records through 1885 were in German.
>
> After that, in Russian.
>
> I'm not sure what their current status is with LDS.
>
> I thought Gwen with LDS was working with a group of translators to  
> get them transcribed, but have not heard status on that for awhile.
>
> Gwen died several years ago, so that may have had some impact on the  
> project.
>
> While the German records are challenging enough for most of us, the  
> Russian cyrillic writing is even more challenging!
>
> Nancy
>
> On Mar 7, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Sarah Nielsen wrote:
>
>   
>> I've noticed that most of the records that are available for  
>> searching don't extend beyond 1885. I'm just curious what options I  
>> have to research records that fall a little later--particularly  
>> through 1915.
>>
>> Thanks for your input,
>>
>> Sarah Nielsen
>>     
>
>
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From Krampetz at aol.com  Mon Mar  8 16:16:28 2010
From: Krampetz at aol.com (Krampetz@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 19:16:28 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lutheran Church records after 1885 were
	in Russian
Message-ID: <3cd4d.5e6e300.38c6ed5c@aol.com>

I have my grandfather's birth record from Lipno in 1881 written in  Russian,
so it's earlier than 1885.   
 
There is one Polish web site that has one or two people that do read old 
Russian handwriting and translate it to Polish - which CAN be  translated
from the now digital Polish to English  ...  OR you may get lucky  and have
someone that will take it from Russian directly to English.   
_http://www.genealodzy.pl/index.php?&newlang=eng_ 
(http://www.genealodzy.pl/index.php?&newlang=eng) 
 
Is the LDS formally translating records now????
 
Bob
 
 
In a message dated 03/08/10 05:16:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
nancygertner at mac.com writes:

The St.  Petersburg Lutheran church records through 1885 were in German.

After  that, in Russian.

I'm not sure what their current status is with  LDS.

I thought Gwen with LDS was working with a group of translators  to  
get them transcribed, but have not heard status on that for  awhile.

Gwen died several years ago, so that may have had some impact  on the  
project.

While the German records are challenging  enough for most of us, the  
Russian cyrillic writing is even more  challenging!

Nancy

On Mar 7, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Sarah Nielsen  wrote:

>
> I've noticed that most of the records that are  available for  
> searching don't extend beyond 1885. I'm just  curious what options I  
> have to research records that fall a  little later--particularly  
> through 1915.
>
> Thanks  for your input,
>
> Sarah  Nielsen


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From mackzie at tds.net  Tue Mar  9 08:26:49 2010
From: mackzie at tds.net (Beth Burke)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 10:26:49 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Information Request
Message-ID: <000001cabfa5$539b34b0$fad19e10$@net>

I was wondering if anyone in SGGEE either lives near or has any connections
in/around Marburg, Germany.

 

When we were living in Herborn-Seelbach in the late 1980's, I was lucky
enough to meet my grandmother's sister.  Her name was Mathilde Lieske.  She
never married, had been a nurse, but was long since retired and living in a
home for elderly folk.   I remember the that the home was on the top of a
hill in Marburg.

 

We moved from Herborn-Seelbach in 1988, returned to the United States in
1990, and I never did hear from or see Mathilde again.  I know she is no
longer alive.  

 

I am wondering how I might be able to get a record of her death, obituary
from a local newspaper or even a death certificate for her.  I have also
wondered what might have happened to what little she had, specifically the
photographs, when Mathilde passed away.  I wouldn't be surprised if there
were a few boxes of the more personal possessions being stored at the home.


 

Thanks in advance for any information or suggestions that any of you might
have for me.

 

 

Beth Burke

Verona, WI

Researching:  Friedrich, Lieske/Liske, Pinkowski, Glor, Hammermeister,
Zellmer (and others)

 



From gswilson19 at aol.com  Tue Mar  9 15:20:27 2010
From: gswilson19 at aol.com (gswilson19@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 18:20:27 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] City of last residence somewhere in Prussia
Message-ID: <8CC8DF63C9284C4-4D84-21C1@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com>


I finally found my ancestors on the Hamburg ship manifest and of course the handwriting is hard to read.  Can anyone help me try to decipher the city?  I looked at the Gazeteer for Prussia and nothing looks like what is written.  Here is a link to the Ancestry.com view of it.  If you don't have a subscription, I can email you a picture of it.
 
http://search.ancestry.com/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=1068&path=1870-1879.Direkt+Band+028+(1+Jan+1873+-++25+Jun+1873).278&sid=&gskw=&cr=1
 
Looks like W?ikehle to me.
 
Thank you for your help,
 
Gail







From gswilson19 at aol.com  Tue Mar  9 16:10:42 2010
From: gswilson19 at aol.com (gswilson19@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:10:42 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] forgot the name = City of last residence
	somewhere in Prussia
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References: <8CC8DF63C9284C4-4D84-21C1@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CC8DFBFE7658FF-BA0-5257@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com>
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Sorry, I guess that is important, huh.   Radoj, August  second line 7 listed.






To: gswilson19 at aol.com
Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 4:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] City of last residence somewhere in Prussia


what is the person's name  or on what line is he listed?










-----Original Message-----
From: gswilson19 at aol.com
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 6:20 pm
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] City of last residence somewhere in Prussia



 finally found my ancestors on the Hamburg ship manifest and of course the 
andwriting is hard to read.  Can anyone help me try to decipher the city?  I 
ooked at the Gazeteer for Prussia and nothing looks like what is written.  Here 
s a link to the Ancestry.com view of it.  If you don't have a subscription, I 
an email you a picture of it.

ttp://search.ancestry.com/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=1068&path=1870-1879.Direkt+Band+028+(1+Jan+1873+-++25+Jun+1873).278&sid=&gskw=&cr=1

ooks like W?ikehle to me.

hank you for your help,

ail



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From gmason001 at comcast.net  Tue Mar  9 16:42:03 2010
From: gmason001 at comcast.net (Greg Mason)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 19:42:03 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] forgot the name = City of last residence
	somewhere in Prussia
In-Reply-To: <8CC8DFD42117918-4D84-2F1E@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC8DF63C9284C4-4D84-21C1@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CC8DFBFE7658FF-BA0-5257@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CC8DFC79A3422C-4D84-2D94@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CC8DFD42117918-4D84-2F1E@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <07EDA633-6FBB-4AE2-86AE-060BAA8AE271@comcast.net>

My guess is that it is either Britailer  or  Portailer.  Neither of which I have ever heard of.  Greg Mason
On Mar 9, 2010, at 7:10 PM, gswilson19 at aol.com wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> Sorry, I guess that is important, huh.   Radoj, August  second line 7 listed.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: gswilson19 at aol.com
> Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 4:01 pm
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] City of last residence somewhere in Prussia
> 
> 
> what is the person's name  or on what line is he listed?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gswilson19 at aol.com
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 6:20 pm
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] City of last residence somewhere in Prussia
> 
> 
> 
> finally found my ancestors on the Hamburg ship manifest and of course the 
> andwriting is hard to read.  Can anyone help me try to decipher the city?  I 
> ooked at the Gazeteer for Prussia and nothing looks like what is written.  Here 
> s a link to the Ancestry.com view of it.  If you don't have a subscription, I 
> an email you a picture of it.
> 
> ttp://search.ancestry.com/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=1068&path=1870-1879.Direkt+Band+028+(1+Jan+1873+-++25+Jun+1873).278&sid=&gskw=&cr=1
> 
> ooks like W?ikehle to me.
> 
> hank you for your help,
> 
> ail
> 
> 
> 
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From albertmuth at aol.com  Tue Mar  9 19:33:34 2010
From: albertmuth at aol.com (albertmuth@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:33:34 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] forgot the name = City of last residence
 somewhere in Prussia
In-Reply-To: <8CC8DFD42117918-4D84-2F1E@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC8DF63C9284C4-4D84-21C1@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com><8CC8DFBFE7658FF-BA0-5257@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com><8CC8DFC79A3422C-4D84-2D94@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CC8DFD42117918-4D84-2F1E@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC8E1996B2C9BF-47C4-54C8@webmail-m040.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Gail,


I am not doing much better, for I too see W?ikehle


However, notice that the people on lines 3 through 28 are all from Schlesien
Kreis Trebnitz, where the town is
Kreis Militsch, where Birnb?umel, Trachenberg and Grabofke are located.


this kind of search, unless you are smarter than I am and can get the best use out of Meyers-Orts,
I prefer to use http://gemeindeverzeichnis.de/gem1900/abc/abc.htm?abc_2.htm
as a starting point.


If you refer to the district (Kreis) map at http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/SCI/kreise-d.html
you can see that these districts are numbered 20 and 19.  You may wish to examine the
places of people born in Posen to determine whether their place of origin might lie across
the northern border there.


Al Muth




-----Original Message-----
From: gswilson19 at aol.com
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 7:10 pm
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] forgot the name = City of last residence somewhere in Prussia


Sorry, I guess that is important, huh.   Radoj, August  second line 7 listed.To: gswilson19 at aol.comSent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 4:01 pmSubject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] City of last residence somewhere in Prussiawhat is the person's name  or on what line is he listed?-----Original Message-----From: gswilson19 at aol.comTo: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.orgSent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 6:20 pmSubject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] City of last residence somewhere in Prussia finally found my ancestors on the Hamburg ship manifest and of course the andwriting is hard to read.  Can anyone help me try to decipher the city?  I ooked at the Gazeteer for Prussia and nothing looks like what is written.  Here s a link to the Ancestry.com view of it.  If you don't have a subscription, I an email you a picture of it.ttp://search.ancestry.com/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=1068&path=1870-1879.Direkt+Band+028+(1+Jan+1873+-++25+Jun+1873).278&sid=&gskw=&cr=1ooks like W?ikehle to me.hank you for your help,ail______________________________________________er-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted byociety for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.orgailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv_______________________________________________Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted bySociety for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.orgMailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
 

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From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Tue Mar  9 20:21:36 2010
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:21:36 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] forgot the name = City of last residence
 somewhere in Prussia
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Kartenmeister yields 2 possible results that fit your interpretation of 
the spelling:

Wueste Kehle in Trebnitz, Silesia, today known as Kalowice, Poland.

Weisskehle in Rawitsch, Posen

You can follow up with parish names etc at http://www.kartenmeister.com

There could of course be other possibilities if the interpretation is 
incorrect.  You can do a search for other starting letters by using a 
wild card in the form   [ W*kehle ]


Jerry Frank
Calgary, AB



albertmuth at aol.com wrote:
> Hi Gail,
>
>
> I am not doing much better, for I too see W?ikehle
>
>
> However, notice that the people on lines 3 through 28 are all from Schlesien
> Kreis Trebnitz, where the town is
> Kreis Militsch, where Birnb?umel, Trachenberg and Grabofke are located.
>
>
> this kind of search, unless you are smarter than I am and can get the best use out of Meyers-Orts,
> I prefer to use http://gemeindeverzeichnis.de/gem1900/abc/abc.htm?abc_2.htm
> as a starting point.
>
>
> If you refer to the district (Kreis) map at http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/SCI/kreise-d.html
> you can see that these districts are numbered 20 and 19.  You may wish to examine the
> places of people born in Posen to determine whether their place of origin might lie across
> the northern border there.
>
>
> Al Muth
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gswilson19 at aol.com
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 7:10 pm
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] forgot the name = City of last residence somewhere in Prussia
>
>
> Sorry, I guess that is important, huh.   Radoj, August  second line 7 listed.To: gswilson19 at aol.comSent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 4:01 pmSubject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] City of last residence somewhere in Prussiawhat is the person's name  or on what line is he listed?-----Original Message-----From: gswilson19 at aol.comTo: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.orgSent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 6:20 pmSubject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] City of last residence somewhere in Prussia finally found my ancestors on the Hamburg ship manifest and of course the andwriting is hard to read.  Can anyone help me try to decipher the city?  I ooked at the Gazeteer for Prussia and nothing looks like what is written.  Here s a link to the Ancestry.com view of it.  If you don't have a subscription, I an email you a picture of it.ttp://search.ancestry.com/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=1068&path=1870-1879.Direkt+Band+028+(1+Jan+1873+-++25+Jun+1873).278&sid=&gskw=&cr=1ooks like W?ikehle to me.hank you for your help,ail______________________________________________er-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted byociety for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.orgailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv_______________________________________________Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted bySociety for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.orgMailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
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From PnSWork at aol.com  Tue Mar  9 21:32:57 2010
From: PnSWork at aol.com (PnSWork@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:32:57 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] forgot the name = City of last residence
	somewhere
Message-ID: <411fb.257cb4df.38c88909@aol.com>

I would lean towards Wueste Kehle because Schlesien (Silesia) is  listed as 
the province (next column over), and it is also near Trebnitz (the  home 
town of the next group above the Radoj family).
 
The first part of the name (Wueste) could very well be abbreviated.
 
Good luck!
 
    -Paul
 
 
In a message dated 3/9/2010 8:35:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca writes:

Kartenmeister yields 2 possible results that fit your  interpretation of 
the spelling:

Wueste Kehle in Trebnitz, Silesia,  today known as Kalowice, Poland.

Weisskehle in Rawitsch,  Posen

You can follow up with parish names etc at  http://www.kartenmeister.com

There could of course be other  possibilities if the interpretation is 
incorrect.  You can do a  search for other starting letters by using a 
wild card in the  form   [ W*kehle ]


Jerry Frank
Calgary,  AB



albertmuth at aol.com wrote:
> Hi  Gail,
>
>
> I am not doing much better, for I too see  W?ikehle
>
>
> However, notice that the people on lines 3  through 28 are all from 
Schlesien
> Kreis Trebnitz, where the town  is
> Kreis Militsch, where Birnb?umel, Trachenberg and Grabofke are  located.
>
>
> this kind of search, unless you are smarter  than I am and can get the 
best use out of Meyers-Orts,
> I prefer to use  
http://gemeindeverzeichnis.de/gem1900/abc/abc.htm?abc_2.htm
> as a  starting point.
>
>
> If you refer to the district (Kreis)  map at 
http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/SCI/kreise-d.html
> you can see  that these districts are numbered 20 and 19.  You may wish 
to examine  the
> places of people born in Posen to determine whether their place of  
origin might lie across
> the northern border  there.
>
>
> Al Muth
>
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: gswilson19 at aol.com
> To:  ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 7:10  pm
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] forgot the name = City of last  residence 
somewhere in Prussia
>
>
> Sorry, I guess that is  important, huh.   Radoj, August  second line 7 
listed.To:  gswilson19 at aol.comSent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 4:01 pmSubject: Re:  
[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] City of last residence somewhere in Prussiawhat is the  
person's name  or on what line is he listed?-----Original  Message-----From: 
gswilson19 at aol.comTo:  ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.orgSent: Tue, Mar 9, 
2010 6:20 pmSubject:  [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] City of last residence 
somewhere in Prussia finally  found my ancestors on the Hamburg ship manifest and of 
course the andwriting  is hard to read.  Can anyone help me try to decipher 
the city?  I  ooked at the Gazeteer for Prussia and nothing looks like what 
is  written.  Here s a link to the Ancestry.com view of it.  If you  don't 
have a subscription, I an email you a picture of  
it.ttp://search.ancestry.com/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=1068&path=1870-1879.Direkt+Band+028+(1+Jan+1873+-++2
5+Jun+1873).278&sid=&gskw=&cr=1ooks  like W?ikehle to me.hank you for your  
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From gswilson19 at aol.com  Wed Mar 10 07:57:59 2010
From: gswilson19 at aol.com (gswilson19@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:57:59 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Thank you for looking at the city on manifest
Message-ID: <8CC8E819715D693-17DC-8A9@webmail-stg-d15.sysops.aol.com>


Thank you to everyone who took a look at the ship manifest and tried to help me decipher the city name.  Wueste Kehle looks like a good match to what most of us are seeing in the writing.  Weisskehle in Rawitsch,  Posen is also a good possibility because a lot of Radoys come up on the LDS pilot site when I do a search for the last name.  And Radoy is not a very common last name.  

Thanks again, you guys are the best.

Gail





I would lean towards Wueste Kehle because Schlesien (Silesia) is  listed as 
the province (next column over), and it is also near Trebnitz (the  home 
town of the next group above the Radoj family).
 
The first part of the name (Wueste) could very well be abbreviated.
 
Good luck!
 
    -Paul
 
 
In a message dated 3/9/2010 8:35:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca writes:

Kartenmeister yields 2 possible results that fit your  interpretation of 
the spelling:

Wueste Kehle in Trebnitz, Silesia,  today known as Kalowice, Poland.

Weisskehle in Rawitsch,  Posen

You can follow up with parish names etc at  http://www.kartenmeister.com

There could of course be other  possibilities if the interpretation is 
incorrect.  You can do a  search for other starting letters by using a 
wild card in the  form   [ W*kehle ]


Jerry Frank
Calgary,  AB



From lloydfriedrick at telus.net  Wed Mar 10 13:31:33 2010
From: lloydfriedrick at telus.net (Lloyd Friedrick)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:31:33 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Grammar
Message-ID: <46A0609F954E4489A3FB8AD4A9174BDD@LloydPC>

I am writing my family story in English with a proposed title of "Friedrich Kinder"

But, my Bavarian relatives tell me that my German grammar is incorrect.

They suggest "Kinder Friedrich"

The prime readers would be western Canadians.

I would appreciate comments on this.

lloyd friedrick    in   Victoria, British Columbia



From hgillespie at rogers.com  Wed Mar 10 16:47:01 2010
From: hgillespie at rogers.com (Helen Gillespie)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:47:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Grammar
In-Reply-To: <46A0609F954E4489A3FB8AD4A9174BDD@LloydPC>
Message-ID: <568700.58700.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I would tend to agree.  In German, you would also say - die Familie Friedrich - instead of - die Friedrich Familie.  It has to do with the fact that Friedrich is the adjective of the noun Kinder.

German grammar is very complicated - declining nouns and conjugating verbs, sentence structure with verbs at the end - a total nightmare.  English is easy by comparison (except for the spelling anomalies)!


Helen


--- On Wed, 3/10/10, Lloyd Friedrick <lloydfriedrick at telus.net> wrote:

> From: Lloyd Friedrick <lloydfriedrick at telus.net>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Grammar
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 9:31 PM
> I am writing my family story in
> English with a proposed title of "Friedrich Kinder"
> 
> But, my Bavarian relatives tell me that my German grammar
> is incorrect.
> 
> They suggest "Kinder Friedrich"
> 
> The prime readers would be western Canadians.
> 
> I would appreciate comments on this.
> 
> lloyd friedrick? ? in???Victoria,
> British Columbia
> 
> 
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From GARY.RUPPERT at comcast.net  Wed Mar 10 17:07:33 2010
From: GARY.RUPPERT at comcast.net (GARY.RUPPERT@comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:07:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] THANKYOU ROSE
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I just want to make a public thankyou to Rose Ingram who has been such a wonderful help to me in breaking down a 30 year old brick wall on my Russian poland heritage. Rose is also going through some tough medical issues just now, so I'm sure she would appreciate hearing from her friends. 



? THANK YOU ROSE ! 

Baltimore 


From heinz_rode at telus.net  Wed Mar 10 17:15:35 2010
From: heinz_rode at telus.net (Heinz Rode)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:15:35 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Grammar
References: <46A0609F954E4489A3FB8AD4A9174BDD@LloydPC>
Message-ID: <CBBA2E34FB184294A84A9C57E66E88F2@userdd6856c827>

Well, a little confusing; "Friedrich" and "Kinder" being both last 
names.......

I relise that your last name is FRIEDRICH;  So the title could be " 
Friedrich's Kinder",

or since you may want to write it in English "Friedrichs Children".

Heinz Rode

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lloyd Friedrick" <lloydfriedrick at telus.net>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 1:31 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Grammar


>I am writing my family story in English with a proposed title of "Friedrich 
>Kinder"
>
> But, my Bavarian relatives tell me that my German grammar is incorrect.
>
> They suggest "Kinder Friedrich"
>
> The prime readers would be western Canadians.
>
> I would appreciate comments on this.
>
> lloyd friedrick    in   Victoria, British Columbia
>
>
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From udo-edelgard at freenet.de  Thu Mar 11 04:33:17 2010
From: udo-edelgard at freenet.de (Edelgard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:33:17 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Grammar
References: <46A0609F954E4489A3FB8AD4A9174BDD@LloydPC>
	<CBBA2E34FB184294A84A9C57E66E88F2@userdd6856c827>
Message-ID: <6C0DB2A745974479B08EAA262CB4CF28@acer747b59264e>

Hello Heinz,

correct German is "Friedrichs Kinder" without apostrophe. The apostrophe in 
German is used for a left out letter "e". If Friedrich is the surname, I 
would vote for the suggestion of the Bavarian relatives  "(die) Kinder 
Friedrich". For to make it clearer I take an example with a surname that is 
not a given name: You would not say "Schmidts Kinder" but "Kinder Schmidt", 
unless you add the given name: "Johann Schmidts Kinder".

Regards from Germany,

Edelgard

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Heinz Rode" heinz_rode at telus.net
To: "Lloyd Friedrick" <lloydfriedrick at telus.net>; 
<ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Grammar


> Well, a little confusing; "Friedrich" and "Kinder" being both last
> names.......
>
> I relise that your last name is FRIEDRICH;  So the title could be "
> Friedrich's Kinder",
>
> or since you may want to write it in English "Friedrichs Children".
>
> Heinz Rode
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lloyd Friedrick" <lloydfriedrick at telus.net>
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 1:31 PM
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Grammar
>
>
>>I am writing my family story in English with a proposed title of 
>>"Friedrich
>>Kinder"
>>
>> But, my Bavarian relatives tell me that my German grammar is incorrect.
>>
>> They suggest "Kinder Friedrich"
>>
>> The prime readers would be western Canadians.
>>
>> I would appreciate comments on this.
>>
>> lloyd friedrick    in   Victoria, British Columbia
>>
>>
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From lewisinwaterloo at sympatico.ca  Thu Mar 11 14:01:38 2010
From: lewisinwaterloo at sympatico.ca (Susie Lewis)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:01:38 +0000
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Grammar
In-Reply-To: <6C0DB2A745974479B08EAA262CB4CF28@acer747b59264e>
References: <46A0609F954E4489A3FB8AD4A9174BDD@LloydPC>,
	<CBBA2E34FB184294A84A9C57E66E88F2@userdd6856c827>,
	<6C0DB2A745974479B08EAA262CB4CF28@acer747b59264e>
Message-ID: <SNT139-w4762B755C746BB2F9AA554CB320@phx.gbl>


Hi LloydYou are getting lots of good German Grammar responses.  My two bits is to consider one of the golden rules of marketing and writing:  'Who is your target audience?'.My suggestion would be to title the book in both languages.  English for your target audience and  the correct gramatical German translation right below it, or side by side, as you see fit.
It is wonderful that you are writing your Friedrich history.  I would be interested to see if you have a Julius Friedrich born Dec 19, 1891 in Malinowka, Chelm, Lublin, Poland in your tree.  I have a number of Freidrichs but going back run into a dead end with Julius.  I do have more info on him if that would help.Please feel free to e-mail me directly.
RegardsSusie
> From: udo-edelgard at freenet.de
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:33:17 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Grammar
> 
> Hello Heinz,
> 
> correct German is "Friedrichs Kinder" without apostrophe. The apostrophe in 
> German is used for a left out letter "e". If Friedrich is the surname, I 
> would vote for the suggestion of the Bavarian relatives  "(die) Kinder 
> Friedrich". For to make it clearer I take an example with a surname that is 
> not a given name: You would not say "Schmidts Kinder" but "Kinder Schmidt", 
> unless you add the given name: "Johann Schmidts Kinder".
> 
> Regards from Germany,
> 
> Edelgard
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Heinz Rode" heinz_rode at telus.net
> To: "Lloyd Friedrick" <lloydfriedrick at telus.net>; 
> <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Grammar
> 
> 
> > Well, a little confusing; "Friedrich" and "Kinder" being both last
> > names.......
> >
> > I relise that your last name is FRIEDRICH;  So the title could be "
> > Friedrich's Kinder",
> >
> > or since you may want to write it in English "Friedrichs Children".
> >
> > Heinz Rode
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Lloyd Friedrick" <lloydfriedrick at telus.net>
> > To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 1:31 PM
> > Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Grammar
> >
> >
> >>I am writing my family story in English with a proposed title of 
> >>"Friedrich
> >>Kinder"
> >>
> >> But, my Bavarian relatives tell me that my German grammar is incorrect.
> >>
> >> They suggest "Kinder Friedrich"
> >>
> >> The prime readers would be western Canadians.
> >>
> >> I would appreciate comments on this.
> >>
> >> lloyd friedrick    in   Victoria, British Columbia
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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From e.scheibler at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 11 14:43:25 2010
From: e.scheibler at shaw.ca (E SCHEIBLER)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:43:25 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 82,
	Issue 6
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Message-ID: <cde6865c17305.4b992bbd@shaw.ca>

Hello, I would also like to thank Rose Ingram for helping me with my family heritage. I have still not made all the ties but hope to do so in the near future.
Best wishes to Rose on a speedy recovery.
ed.scheibler

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> From: "Lloyd Friedrick" <lloydfriedrick at telus.net>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Grammar
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Message-ID: <46A0609F954E4489A3FB8AD4A9174BDD at LloydPC>
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> 
> I am writing my family story in English with a proposed title of 
> "Friedrich Kinder"
> 
> But, my Bavarian relatives tell me that my German grammar is 
> incorrect.
> They suggest "Kinder Friedrich"
> 
> The prime readers would be western Canadians.
> 
> I would appreciate comments on this.
> 
> lloyd friedrick??? in?? Victoria, 
> British Columbia
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:47:01 -0800 (PST)
> From: Helen Gillespie <hgillespie at rogers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Grammar
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org,	Lloyd Friedrick
> 	<lloydfriedrick at telus.net>
> Message-ID: <568700.58700.qm at web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> I would tend to agree.? In German, you would also say - die 
> Familie Friedrich - instead of - die Friedrich Familie.? It 
> has to do with the fact that Friedrich is the adjective of the 
> noun Kinder.
> 
> German grammar is very complicated - declining nouns and 
> conjugating verbs, sentence structure with verbs at the end - a 
> total nightmare.? English is easy by comparison (except for 
> the spelling anomalies)!
> 
> 
> Helen
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 3/10/10, Lloyd Friedrick 
> <lloydfriedrick at telus.net> wrote:
> 
> > From: Lloyd Friedrick <lloydfriedrick at telus.net>
> > Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Grammar
> > To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> > Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 9:31 PM
> > I am writing my family story in
> > English with a proposed title of "Friedrich Kinder"
> > 
> > But, my Bavarian relatives tell me that my German grammar
> > is incorrect.
> > 
> > They suggest "Kinder Friedrich"
> > 
> > The prime readers would be western Canadians.
> > 
> > I would appreciate comments on this.
> > 
> > lloyd friedrick? ? in???Victoria,
> > British Columbia
> > 
> > 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:07:33 +0000 (UTC)
> From: GARY.RUPPERT at comcast.net
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] THANKYOU ROSE
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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> 
> 
> I just want to make a public thankyou to Rose Ingram who has 
> been such a wonderful help to me in breaking down a 30 year old 
> brick wall on my Russian poland heritage. Rose is also going 
> through some tough medical issues just now, so I'm sure she 
> would appreciate hearing from her friends. 
> 
> 
> 
> ? THANK YOU ROSE ! 
> 
> Baltimore 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:15:35 -0800
> From: "Heinz Rode" <heinz_rode at telus.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Grammar
> To: "Lloyd Friedrick" <lloydfriedrick at telus.net>,
> 	<ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Message-ID: <CBBA2E34FB184294A84A9C57E66E88F2 at userdd6856c827>
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> 
> Well, a little confusing; "Friedrich" and "Kinder" being both 
> last 
> names.......
> 
> I relise that your last name is FRIEDRICH;? So the title 
> could be " 
> Friedrich's Kinder",
> 
> or since you may want to write it in English "Friedrichs Children".
> 
> Heinz Rode
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lloyd Friedrick" <lloydfriedrick at telus.net>
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 1:31 PM
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Grammar
> 
> 
> >I am writing my family story in English with a proposed title 
> of "Friedrich 
> >Kinder"
> >
> > But, my Bavarian relatives tell me that my German grammar is 
> incorrect.>
> > They suggest "Kinder Friedrich"
> >
> > The prime readers would be western Canadians.
> >
> > I would appreciate comments on this.
> >
> > lloyd friedrick??? in?? Victoria, 
> British Columbia
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
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> > Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv 
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From edies_hook at msn.com  Thu Mar 11 15:22:02 2010
From: edies_hook at msn.com (Edith McKelvy)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:22:02 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] REMPEL,
	WILHELM AND LUISE on Canadian Passenger Lists
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP645F73DBE52B78DC0B55D4E7320@phx.gbl>

Request your assistance in reading the very blurry specific birthplaces of
individuals below as shown on  Canadian Passenger Lists 1865-1935.  
 
1.  REMPEL, WILHELM  b.1868
    19 June 1926 -- SS Celtic (White Star), Liverpool to Halifax(?)
    Born:       Poland, Prachwehn or Prachuoha or Pracheum or ???
    Source:   Canadian Passenger Lists 1865-1935, Vol. 7, page 73
 
    29 Sept 1927 -- SS Empress of France (CP), Hamburg>Quebec
    Born:      Poland, Kalisch
    Source:  Canadian Passenger Lists 1865-1935, Vol. 23, page 152
 
    Note:  May have lived in Zhitomir Volhynia area as a young man
(unconfirmed, but very likely)
 
2. REMPEL,  LUISE (JESKE/YESKE/TESCHKE)  b. abt 1878
    19 June 1926 -- SS Celtic (White Star), Hamburg>Montreal(?)
    Born:      Russia, Sergeofka or Gergeofka or ???
    Source:  Same as Wilhelm above
 
    29 Sept 1927 -- Empress of France (CP), Hamburg>Quebec
    Born:      Russia, Sergeofa or ???
    Source:  Same as Wilhelm above
 
    Note:  Wilhelm's brother Friedrich Rempel/Rimple married Anna Schiller,
born in Murawi Volhynia.  Luise and Anna may  have lived in neighboring
villages and knew each other.  
 
3. SON:  REMPEL, FRIEDRICH  b. 1909
    27 June 1926 -- SS Celtic (White Star)
    Born:      Russia, Hofman..... or ???
    Source:  Same as Wilhelm above
 
    Note:  Friedrich's oral history indicates he was born in  (sounds like)
"Cha-vee-esh-ka".  Could it be "Sergeofka"?
 
Any assistance would be most appreciated -- even wild guesses!
 
Edith Rimple McKelvy
Silverdale WA


From Spaghettitree at aol.com  Thu Mar 11 19:47:02 2010
From: Spaghettitree at aol.com (Spaghettitree@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:47:02 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 82,
	Issue 6
Message-ID: <89242.18b81729.38cb1336@aol.com>

May I add my fervent best wishes to Rose Ingram for a return to perfect  
health - and my thanks for the ongoing wisdom you so freely give to us  all.   
Danke Sch?n, Rose!   Take good care of  yourself.  You have many friends 
out here, perhaps unseen and unheard, but  with you in spirit, nonetheless!    
We are all family, are we  not?  
 
Maureen Schoenky
 
 
In a message dated 3/11/2010 2:47:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
e.scheibler at shaw.ca writes:

Hello, I  would also like to thank Rose Ingram for helping me with my 
family heritage. I  have still not made all the ties but hope to do so in the 
near future.
Best  wishes to Rose on a speedy recovery.
ed.scheibler

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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:31:33  -0800
> From: "Lloyd Friedrick" <lloydfriedrick at telus.net>
>  Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Grammar
> To:  <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
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> Content-Type:  text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> I am writing my family story  in English with a proposed title of 
> "Friedrich Kinder"
>  
> But, my Bavarian relatives tell me that my German grammar is 
>  incorrect.
> They suggest "Kinder Friedrich"
> 
> The prime  readers would be western Canadians.
> 
> I would appreciate  comments on this.
> 
> lloyd friedrick     in   Victoria, 
> British Columbia
> 
> 
>  
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
>  Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:47:01 -0800 (PST)
> From: Helen Gillespie  <hgillespie at rogers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia]  German Grammar
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org,     Lloyd Friedrick
>   <lloydfriedrick at telus.net>
>  Message-ID: <568700.58700.qm at web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
>  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> I would tend to  agree.  In German, you would also say - die 
> Familie Friedrich -  instead of - die Friedrich Familie.  It 
> has to do with the fact  that Friedrich is the adjective of the 
> noun Kinder.
> 
>  German grammar is very complicated - declining nouns and 
> conjugating  verbs, sentence structure with verbs at the end - a 
> total  nightmare.  English is easy by comparison (except for 
> the  spelling anomalies)!
> 
> 
> Helen
> 
> 
>  --- On Wed, 3/10/10, Lloyd Friedrick 
> <lloydfriedrick at telus.net>  wrote:
> 
> > From: Lloyd Friedrick  <lloydfriedrick at telus.net>
> > Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia]  German Grammar
> > To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>  > Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 9:31 PM
> > I am writing my  family story in
> > English with a proposed title of "Friedrich  Kinder"
> > 
> > But, my Bavarian relatives tell me that my  German grammar
> > is incorrect.
> > 
> > They  suggest "Kinder Friedrich"
> > 
> > The prime readers would  be western Canadians.
> > 
> > I would appreciate comments  on this.
> > 
> > lloyd friedrick? ? in???Victoria,
>  > British Columbia
> > 
> > 
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
> > Society for German  Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> > Mailing list  info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
> > 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message:  3
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:07:33 +0000 (UTC)
> From:  GARY.RUPPERT at comcast.net
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] THANKYOU  ROSE
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>  Message-ID:
>    
<705294080.6801421268269653023.JavaMail.root at sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> 
>  
> I just want to make a public thankyou to Rose Ingram who has 
>  been such a wonderful help to me in breaking down a 30 year old 
> brick  wall on my Russian poland heritage. Rose is also going 
> through some  tough medical issues just now, so I'm sure she 
> would appreciate  hearing from her friends. 
> 
> 
> 
> ? THANK YOU ROSE  ! 
> 
> Baltimore 
> 
> 
>  ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed,  10 Mar 2010 17:15:35 -0800
> From: "Heinz Rode"  <heinz_rode at telus.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German  Grammar
> To: "Lloyd Friedrick"  <lloydfriedrick at telus.net>,
>    <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Message-ID:  <CBBA2E34FB184294A84A9C57E66E88F2 at userdd6856c827>
> Content-Type:  text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>    reply-type=original
> 
> Well, a little confusing; "Friedrich" and  "Kinder" being both 
> last 
> names.......
> 
> I  relise that your last name is FRIEDRICH;  So the title 
> could be  " 
> Friedrich's Kinder",
> 
> or since you may want to  write it in English "Friedrichs Children".
> 
> Heinz Rode
>  
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lloyd Friedrick"  <lloydfriedrick at telus.net>
> To:  <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March  10, 2010 1:31 PM
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Grammar
>  
> 
> >I am writing my family story in English with a proposed  title 
> of "Friedrich 
> >Kinder"
> >
> >  But, my Bavarian relatives tell me that my German grammar is 
>  incorrect.>
> > They suggest "Kinder Friedrich"
>  >
> > The prime readers would be western Canadians.
>  >
> > I would appreciate comments on this.
> >
>  > lloyd friedrick    in   Victoria, 
>  British Columbia
> >
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
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From PnSWork at aol.com  Thu Mar 11 22:24:37 2010
From: PnSWork at aol.com (PnSWork@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:24:37 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] [AGoFF-L] Neue GenKarte "WPRU-MITTE,
	GRAUDENZ" !
Message-ID: <9817f.228b2205.38cb3825@aol.com>

To all,
 
    A member of a sister organization, the  Arbeitsgemeinschaft 
Ostdeutscher FamilienForscher (AGoFF, translated as the  Working group for Family 
Research of Eastern Germans) has put a few maps  together that might be of 
interest to anyone researching German families in West  or East Prussia.  I have 
provided a quick translation of the opening  paragraph below:
 
"Dear fellow researchers!
 
I have finished work on a new genealogical map in the GenKarte series,  and 
I would like to offer it to you.  The previous map "POM-WPRU,  Danzig" has 
been extended to the south and is now named "WPRU-MITTE,  Graudenz".
 
This new map contains all the districts of Berent, Dirschau, Graudenz,  
Marienwerder, Preuss. Stargard, Konitz, Schwetz, Tuchel, Zempelburg.  Parts  of 
the districts of Schlochau, Danziger Werder, Marienburg, Rosenberg, 
Briesen,  Kulm, Bromberg, Wirsitz and Flatow are also included."
 
The full text is below for those who can read German.  In summary,  these 
maps are available in either printed form or in digital form on a  CD.  You 
can see examples of these maps at the following URLs:
 
1. Fritz Schulz map of Lower Pomerania / West Prussia / Free City of  
Danzig:

_http://www.westpreussen.de/forschungshinweise/pommwprukarte.php_ 
(http://www.westpreussen.de/forschungshinweise/pommwprukarte.php) 
 
oder

_http://pom-wpru.kerntopf.com/karten/pwd.htm_ 
(http://pom-wpru.kerntopf.com/karten/pwd.htm)   

2. Map by Daniel Beckherrn and Fritz Schulz covering East  Prussia:

_http://www.beckherrn.de/default.php_ (http://www.beckherrn.de/default.php) 
 
Questions can be sent to Fritz Schulz (_F_Schulz_PF at t-online.de_ 
(mailto:F_Schulz_PF at t-online.de) )
 
Good luck!
 
    -Paul

________________________________
Von: "F_Schulz_PF at t-online.de"  <F_Schulz_PF at t-online.de>
An: Berent at yahoogroups.de
CC: Ostpreu?en  <ow-preussen-l at genealogy.net>; 
Danziger-Blaker-Stube at yahoogroups.de;  Neumark-L <neumark-l at genealogy.net>; Stolp-L  
<stolp-l at genealogy.net>; Greif <Greif-L at yahoogroups.de>; AGoFF-L  <agoff-l at genealogy.net>; 
daniel at beckherrn.de;  Pomeranian_Griffin at yahoogroups.co.uk
Gesendet: Sonntag, den 7. M?rz 2010,  23:14:22 Uhr
Betreff: [AGoFF-L] Neue GenKarte "WPRU-MITTE, GRAUDENZ"  !

Liebe Forschergemeinde!

Eine neue Geneologische Karte aus der  GenKarten-Serie ist von mir
fertiggestellt worden, die ich Euch nun nicht  vorenthalten m?chte: Die
bisherige Karte "POM-WPRU, Danzig" wurde nach S?den  erweitert und ist
mit "WPRU-MITTE, Graudenz" neu betitelt. 

Diese neue  Karte umfasst die Kreise BERENT, DIRSCHAU, GRAUDENZ,
MARIENWERDER, PREUSS.  STARGARD, KONITZ, SCHWETZ, TUCHEL, ZEMPELBURG
vollst?ndig. Die Kreise  SCHLOCHAU, DANZIGER WERDER, MARIENBURG,
ROSENBERG, BRIESEN, KULM, BROMBERG,  WIRSITZ und FLATOW sind
angeschnitten. 

Diese Karte ist besonders f?r  Familienforscher und f?r alle
wissenschaftlich arbeitenden Forscher  interessant, denn es handelt sich
hier nicht um eine "einfache Landkarte"  herk?mmlicher Pr?gung, sondern
um eine Karte, aus der sich auch die f?r den  Familienforscher
interessanten und wichtigen Angaben ?ber Orte ?bersichtlich  ersehen
lassen, die Sitz einer (evangelischen, katholischen  und/oder
mennonitischen/baptistischen) Kirchengemeinde waren und die zudem  noch
Aufschluss ?ber den Beginn der f?r die jeweilige Gemeinde  ?berlieferten
Kirchenb?cher gibt.
 
 
Mit diesen beiden Karten sind nun ca. 75 Prozent der ehemaligen  Gebiete
Westpreussens nun kartographisch und genealogisch (u.a.  Kirchspielorte)
abgedeckt. Die Kartenserie "lebt" weiter und soll  letztendlich auch ganz
OSTPREUSSEN und POMMERN abdecken. 

Diese neue  mehrfarbige Karte hat ein gedrucktes Format von 60 x 84 cm
und basiert auf  verschiedene Kartengrundlagen aus dem Jahr um 1938,
basierend auf die  damalige amtliche Schreibweise der Ortsnamen. Sie ist
im Ma?stab ca.  1:150.000 gehalten und es finden sich darin ?bersichtlich
alle Ortschaften  der Region bis hinunter zu den kleinsten
Wohnplatzeinheiten wie Weiler, Hof,  Forsthaus, M?hle, Verwaltungsstelle
etc. Neu hinzukommen sind auch die  Darstellung der Einzelh?fe. Weiterhin
sind die wichtigen Verkehrswege,  Staats- und Kreisgrenzen, Geographische
Koordinaten sowie landschaftliche  Gegebenheiten farbig dargestellt. Zum
Auffinden der Orte ist ein mit fast  4000 Ortsnamen umfassendes Register
und dar?ber hinaus weitere Karten u.a.  eine administrative
?bersichtskarte Westpreussens sowie eine alte  Stadtansicht von Graudenz
auf der R?ckseite dargestellt. Diese Karte erg?nzt  nahtlos im
Blattschnitt die bereits erfolgreichen genealogischen  Karten
?POM-WPRU-Danzig? ?ber das n?rdliche Westpreussen und  "OPRU-NW,
K?nigsberg" ?ber das nordwestliche Ostpreussen.

Die Karte  "WPRU-MITTE, Graudenz" stellt deshalb wiederum ein nahezu
unentbehrliches  Hilfsmittel in digitaler (CD-ROM), gedruckter (gefaltet
oder in plano) Form  f?r jeden Familienforscher im mittleren Westpreussen
dar.

Auf CD-ROM  kann diese Karte bereits bestellt werden, als Druck jedoch
noch nicht. Als  Druckausgabe bedarf es jedoch erst einmal 100
Interessenten bzw.  Vorbestellungen, damit sich die hohen Druckkosten
?berhaupt lohnen.  

Deswegen meine Bitte: Wer ernsthaftes Interesse an dieser  neuen
gedruckten Karte hat, den bitte ich bis zum 31.03.2010  Vorbestellungen
unter meiner Emailanschrift  F_Schulz_PF at t-online.de zu  t?tigen! Sobald
genug Interessenten (mit Anschrift) eingehen, werde ich diese  Karte
umgehend drucken lassen und sofort ausliefern.


Au?erdem ist  weiter die Genealogische Karte "POM-WPRU, Danzig"
erh?ltlich (mit den  ehemaligen Kreisen Berent, B?tow, Dirschau,
Karthaus, Lauenburg, Marienburg,  Neustadt, Putzig, Stolp und Freie Stadt
Danzig) 

sowie die Karte  

"OPRU-NW, K?nigsberg" (mit den Kreisen Bartenstein, Braunsberg,  Elbing
Stadt und Land, Gerdauen, Heiligenbeil, Heilsberg, K?nigsberg  Stadt,
Labiau, Preussisch Eylau, Preussisch Holland, Rastenburg,  Roessel,
Samland und Wehlau) - Ansprechpartner hier:  daniel at beckherrn.de

Diese Information kann gerne auch an andere Listen  weitergeleitet
werden!

Vielen Dank und mit besten  Forschergr??en

Fritz  Schulz

F_Schulz_PF at t-online.de



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Eine  Beschreibung zum Umgang mit der AGoFF-Mailingliste findet sich
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Die Homepage der  AGoFF findet sich unter: http://www.agoff.de

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From mag_ton at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 12 09:58:48 2010
From: mag_ton at yahoo.com (magtons)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:58:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 82,
	Issue 6
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1268337603.1396.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID: <309105.95444.qm@web112416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

?Rose is amazing ---and generous . Take care of yourself , Rose !

Magda 

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:31:33 -0800
From: "Lloyd Friedrick" <lloydfriedrick at telus.net>
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Grammar
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID: <46A0609F954E4489A3FB8AD4A9174BDD at LloydPC>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="iso-8859-1"

I am writing my family story in English with a proposed title of "Friedrich Kinder"

But, my Bavarian relatives tell me that my German grammar is incorrect.

They suggest "Kinder Friedrich"

The prime readers would be western Canadians.

I would appreciate comments on this.

lloyd friedrick? ? in???Victoria, British Columbia



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:47:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Helen Gillespie <hgillespie at rogers.com>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Grammar
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org,??? Lloyd Friedrick
??? <lloydfriedrick at telus.net>
Message-ID: <568700.58700.qm at web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

I would tend to agree.? In German, you would also say - die Familie Friedrich - instead of - die Friedrich Familie.? It has to do with the fact that Friedrich is the adjective of the noun Kinder.

German grammar is very complicated - declining nouns and conjugating verbs, sentence structure with verbs at the end - a total nightmare.? English is easy by comparison (except for the spelling anomalies)!


Helen


--- On Wed, 3/10/10, Lloyd Friedrick <lloydfriedrick at telus.net> wrote:

> From: Lloyd Friedrick <lloydfriedrick at telus.net>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Grammar
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 9:31 PM
> I am writing my family story in
> English with a proposed title of "Friedrich Kinder"
> 
> But, my Bavarian relatives tell me that my German grammar
> is incorrect.
> 
> They suggest "Kinder Friedrich"
> 
> The prime readers would be western Canadians.
> 
> I would appreciate comments on this.
> 
> lloyd friedrick? ? in???Victoria,
> British Columbia
> 
> 
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:07:33 +0000 (UTC)
From: GARY.RUPPERT at comcast.net
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] THANKYOU ROSE
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Message-ID:
??? <705294080.6801421268269653023.JavaMail.root at sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
??? 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8



I just want to make a public thankyou to Rose Ingram who has been such a wonderful help to me in breaking down a 30 year old brick wall on my Russian poland heritage. Rose is also going through some tough medical issues just now, so I'm sure she would appreciate hearing from her friends. 



? THANK YOU ROSE ! 

Baltimore 


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:15:35 -0800
From: "Heinz Rode" <heinz_rode at telus.net>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Grammar
To: "Lloyd Friedrick" <lloydfriedrick at telus.net>,
??? <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID: <CBBA2E34FB184294A84A9C57E66E88F2 at userdd6856c827>
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??? reply-type=original

Well, a little confusing; "Friedrich" and "Kinder" being both last 
names.......

I relise that your last name is FRIEDRICH;? So the title could be " 
Friedrich's Kinder",

or since you may want to write it in English "Friedrichs Children".

Heinz Rode

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lloyd Friedrick" <lloydfriedrick at telus.net>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 1:31 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Grammar


>I am writing my family story in English with a proposed title of "Friedrich 
>Kinder"
>
> But, my Bavarian relatives tell me that my German grammar is incorrect.
>
> They suggest "Kinder Friedrich"
>
> The prime readers would be western Canadians.
>
> I would appreciate comments on this.
>
> lloyd friedrick? ? in???Victoria, British Columbia
>
>
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From roseingram at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 12 10:41:54 2010
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:41:54 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 82,
	Issue 6
References: <309105.95444.qm@web112416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008801cac213$b05ecb10$6601a8c0@duocore>

Thanks everyone.  I will be 'up to snuff' in a couple weeks and will be able to give my full attention to helping members with their queries.  

Rose
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: magtons 
  To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
  Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 82, Issue 6


  Rose is amazing ---and generous . Take care of yourself , Rose !

  Magda 



From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 12 12:27:10 2010
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:27:10 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Mailing List etiquette - please read
Message-ID: <d124ded5330d6.4b9a412e@shaw.ca>

Just a reminder to all about a few things:

1.? If you are responding to an archived message, please:
- After you hit the reply button, copy and paste the original subject line of the message in question to the subject line.? This will help us identify what the response is about.
- Delete the other non relevant messages from the response.

2.? It is probably best not to post personal information about others, such as health issues, on the mailing list.? If you want to relay such information privately, fine.? However, to post publicly can lead to embarrassment or undesirable intrusion in the private life of another.? I am sure that Rose has appreciated the kudos and well wishes expressed but such issues are best reserved for private correspondence.? 

If you have comments or concerns about either of these issues, please contact me privately rather than through the mailing list.

Thank you.

Jerry Frank
List Administrator




From michael.stockhausen.ff at web.de  Sun Mar 14 01:27:49 2010
From: michael.stockhausen.ff at web.de (Michael Stockhausen)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 10:27:49 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Dabie / Dombie Luth. - Cerecki / Zeretzke
	from Zelgoszcz
Message-ID: <6712312D2DE341DC85F09488BE2B138A@name54xk1bba18>

For a friend, I am searching for her ancestors Gottfried ZERETZKE / CERECKI and Luise n?e Nickel from Zelgoszcz (between Dabie and Poddebice), especially their death records.

Two of their children married in Dabie:
1829 no. 7:   Anna Christina, born ab. 1807, with Ludwig M?ller
1832, June 11:    Gottfried, born ab. 1810, with Anna Florentine Hinz

I seems that in 1829 Gottfried sr. was already deceased. He must therefore have died between about 1810 and 1829, presumably in Zelogoszcz.

Does anybody know if the Dabie church records also contain
- Gottfried jr.'s birth record about 1810
- Gottfried sr.'s death record 1810-1829?
- Luise nee Nickel's death record?

I believe Dabie (at least these first decades) is not on the SGGEE database (yet).


Thanks!
Michael Stockhausen

From sburke091 at comcast.net  Sun Mar 14 09:32:46 2010
From: sburke091 at comcast.net (Sandy Burke)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:32:46 -0400
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Appelt
Message-ID: <A8D00B9DD1C5402887413EF8C1A6AB20@cft>

Seeking information on the German ancestors of Wenzel Appelt from the Czech Republic
 born Alt Harzdorf,Reichenberg, , Boehmen Koenigreich, Austria on 7/Nov. 1818, came to the U.S. in 1853, died in Detroit, MI on 12 April1854.

Married Caroline Altman 15 Nov 1842 in Alt Hardorf, Reichenberg, Austria.

Wenzel and Caroline Altman Appelt children were:  Amalia, Charles, Wenceslaus (Wencel or Marcel), Eduard, and Emil.

Their son Charles was my great grandfather, the father of Ella, who was my maternal grandmother.

 I am taking a research trip this summer and my brick wall is Wenzel Appelt.

From deloresstevens at sasktel.net  Sun Mar 14 11:40:09 2010
From: deloresstevens at sasktel.net (Delores Stevens)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:40:09 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Borufka, Russland
References: <A8D00B9DD1C5402887413EF8C1A6AB20@cft>
Message-ID: <001a01cac3a5$c697d5a0$3f0110ac@Delores>

I have a ship record from Oct 1890 of Rosalia Dreger leaving from Hamburg. 
This indicates that her place of residence was Borufka, Russland.

I have not been able to find this.  Is this an actual place or a variation 
of some other name?

Thank you
Delores Maduke
Saskatoon 



From dr.stewner at t-online.de  Sun Mar 14 12:16:18 2010
From: dr.stewner at t-online.de (Dr. Frank Stewner)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:16:18 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Borufka, Russland
Message-ID: <99C8C78F17B0458ABA2ED793E1D9F8B1@Acer>

Borufka is most likely
Boruwka (Borowka/W of Zhylzha), Kostopil, Rivne, Russian Empire (Ukraine) with the
coordinates 50 50 10 N and 26 10 45 E (dd mm ss).
Borowka was used by the Poles. That village is not anymore existent.
Frank Stewner

From deloresstevens at sasktel.net  Sun Mar 14 13:38:49 2010
From: deloresstevens at sasktel.net (Delores Stevens)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:38:49 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Borufka, Russland
References: <99C8C78F17B0458ABA2ED793E1D9F8B1@Acer>
Message-ID: <00a101cac3b6$5a490700$3f0110ac@Delores>

Thank you very much for the informaiton.
Delores Maduke


From roseingram at shaw.ca  Sun Mar 14 13:56:50 2010
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:56:50 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Dabie / Dombie Luth. - Cerecki /
	Zeretzke	from Zelgoszcz
References: <6712312D2DE341DC85F09488BE2B138A@name54xk1bba18>
Message-ID: <004301cac3b8$de3c1a00$6501a8c0@duocore>

Michael,

Since Mueller is a family name I'm researching in Dabie church area, I have a copy of the 1829 marriage record between Ludwig Mueller and Anna Christina "Cerecki" = Zeretzke or Zaretzke

My interpretation of the marriage record is that it does not appear that father Gottfried is deceased in 1829, but possibly separated from his wife Anna Elisabeth.  Of course I could be wrong.

The Library catalog has a film covering 1809 to 1829 which contains deaths.  My personal notes indicates years 1809 to 1825 contain only deaths, and 1826 to 1829 have births, marriages and deaths.  1827 has no handwritten index.

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/printing/titledetailsprint.asp?titleno=73151

I believe marriages from from Dabie records (and other church records) were extracted first.  Births and adult deaths are add as time permits.  Our volunteers try their best.  

Rose Ingram

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Stockhausen 
  To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
  Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 2:27 AM
  Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Dabie / Dombie Luth. - Cerecki / Zeretzke from Zelgoszcz


  For a friend, I am searching for her ancestors Gottfried ZERETZKE / CERECKI and Luise n?e Nickel from Zelgoszcz (between Dabie and Poddebice), especially their death records.

  Two of their children married in Dabie:
  1829 no. 7:   Anna Christina, born ab. 1807, with Ludwig M?ller
  1832, June 11:    Gottfried, born ab. 1810, with Anna Florentine Hinz

  I seems that in 1829 Gottfried sr. was already deceased. He must therefore have died between about 1810 and 1829, presumably in Zelogoszcz.

  Does anybody know if the Dabie church records also contain
  - Gottfried jr.'s birth record about 1810
  - Gottfried sr.'s death record 1810-1829?
  - Luise nee Nickel's death record?

  I believe Dabie (at least these first decades) is not on the SGGEE database (yet).


  Thanks!
  Michael Stockhausen

  _______________________________________________
  Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
  Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
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From albertmuth at aol.com  Sun Mar 14 14:15:22 2010
From: albertmuth at aol.com (albertmuth@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:15:22 -0400
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Dabie / Dombie Luth. - Cerecki / Zeretzke
 from Zelgoszcz
In-Reply-To: <004301cac3b8$de3c1a00$6501a8c0@duocore>
References: <6712312D2DE341DC85F09488BE2B138A@name54xk1bba18>
	<004301cac3b8$de3c1a00$6501a8c0@duocore>
Message-ID: <8CC91D29582412F-E40-103E@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com>


Michael,


In this time frame, Zelgoszcz is too far distant from Dabie/Dombie when the law allowed for
Germans to register at a nearer Catholic parish.


I would try either Wielenin or Swinice, per http://dir.icm.edu.pl/pl/Slownik_geograficzny/Tom_XIV/565
In the article, carrying over from the previous page, look for #3.


I do not know enough Polish to translate each and every word, but I can find the specific 
village that I want and then decipher what the appropriate parish is.


To look places up in this source, you must spell correctly in Polish (using diacritics).
See http://www.5goldig.de/Polnische_Tastatur/polnisch_keyboard.html,
which will allow you to type, cut, and paste into the Slownik website
or http://www.google.com/ or the Polish wikipedia http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strona_g??wna




al muth


-----Original Message-----
From: Rose Ingram <roseingram at shaw.ca>
To: Michael Stockhausen <michael.stockhausen.ff at web.de>; ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Sent: Sun, Mar 14, 2010 4:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Dabie / Dombie Luth. - Cerecki / Zeretzke from Zelgoszcz


Michael,Since Mueller is a family name I'm researching in Dabie church area, I have a copy of the 1829 marriage record between Ludwig Mueller and Anna Christina "Cerecki" = Zeretzke or ZaretzkeMy interpretation of the marriage record is that it does not appear that father Gottfried is deceased in 1829, but possibly separated from his wife Anna Elisabeth.  Of course I could be wrong.The Library catalog has a film covering 1809 to 1829 which contains deaths.  My personal notes indicates years 1809 to 1825 contain only deaths, and 1826 to 1829 have births, marriages and deaths.  1827 has no handwritten index.http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/printing/titledetailsprint.asp?titleno=73151I believe marriages from from Dabie records (and other church records) were extracted first.  Births and adult deaths are add as time permits.  Our volunteers try their best.  Rose Ingram  ----- Original Message -----   From: Michael Stockhausen   To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org   Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 2:27 AM  Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Dabie / Dombie Luth. - Cerecki / Zeretzke from Zelgoszcz  For a friend, I am searching for her ancestors Gottfried ZERETZKE / CERECKI and Luise n?e Nickel from Zelgoszcz (between Dabie and Poddebice), especially their death records.  Two of their children married in Dabie:  1829 no. 7:   Anna Christina, born ab. 1807, with Ludwig M?ller  1832, June 11:    Gottfried, born ab. 1810, with Anna Florentine Hinz  I seems that in 1829 Gottfried sr. was already deceased. He must therefore have died between about 1810 and 1829, presumably in Zelogoszcz.  Does anybody know if the Dabie church records also contain  - Gottfried jr.'s birth record about 1810  - Gottfried sr.'s death record 1810-1829?  - Luise nee Nickel's death record?  I believe Dabie (at least these first decades) is not on the SGGEE database (yet).  Thanks!  Michael Stockhausen  _______________________________________________  Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by  Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org  Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv_______________________________________________Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted bySociety for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.orgMailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
 


From mackzie at tds.net  Sun Mar 14 18:25:39 2010
From: mackzie at tds.net (Beth Burke)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:25:39 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Dabie / Dombie Luth. - Cerecki
	/	Zeretzke	from Zelgoszcz
In-Reply-To: <004301cac3b8$de3c1a00$6501a8c0@duocore>
References: <6712312D2DE341DC85F09488BE2B138A@name54xk1bba18>
	<004301cac3b8$de3c1a00$6501a8c0@duocore>
Message-ID: <000b01cac3de$6cefa080$46cee180$@net>

I always find these messages interesting, even if they are not answering my
questions.

I do have one comment regarding Rose's message from below.  Rose, you
mentioned that our volunteers try their best!  In my experience, they do
more than try!  

My (oft times) incredibly stupid questions are always answered, and done so
with great respect.  I have never met another group of people who are all
addicted to the same drug (i.e. genealogy) that are so supportive of each
other!  One of these days, we will indeed figure out that we are all
related!  Maybe that's why we get along so well - we all have so much in
common!

Beth Burke
Verona, WI

-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Rose
Ingram
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:57 PM
To: Michael Stockhausen; ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Dabie / Dombie Luth. - Cerecki / Zeretzke
from Zelgoszcz

Michael,

Since Mueller is a family name I'm researching in Dabie church area, I have
a copy of the 1829 marriage record between Ludwig Mueller and Anna Christina
"Cerecki" = Zeretzke or Zaretzke

My interpretation of the marriage record is that it does not appear that
father Gottfried is deceased in 1829, but possibly separated from his wife
Anna Elisabeth.  Of course I could be wrong.

The Library catalog has a film covering 1809 to 1829 which contains deaths.
My personal notes indicates years 1809 to 1825 contain only deaths, and 1826
to 1829 have births, marriages and deaths.  1827 has no handwritten index.

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/printing/titledetailsprin
t.asp?titleno=73151

I believe marriages from from Dabie records (and other church records) were
extracted first.  Births and adult deaths are add as time permits.  Our
volunteers try their best.  

Rose Ingram

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Stockhausen 
  To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
  Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 2:27 AM
  Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Dabie / Dombie Luth. - Cerecki / Zeretzke
from Zelgoszcz


  For a friend, I am searching for her ancestors Gottfried ZERETZKE /
CERECKI and Luise n?e Nickel from Zelgoszcz (between Dabie and Poddebice),
especially their death records.

  Two of their children married in Dabie:
  1829 no. 7:   Anna Christina, born ab. 1807, with Ludwig M?ller
  1832, June 11:    Gottfried, born ab. 1810, with Anna Florentine Hinz

  I seems that in 1829 Gottfried sr. was already deceased. He must therefore
have died between about 1810 and 1829, presumably in Zelogoszcz.

  Does anybody know if the Dabie church records also contain
  - Gottfried jr.'s birth record about 1810
  - Gottfried sr.'s death record 1810-1829?
  - Luise nee Nickel's death record?

  I believe Dabie (at least these first decades) is not on the SGGEE
database (yet).


  Thanks!
  Michael Stockhausen

  _______________________________________________
  Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
  Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
  Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv

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From ahnenforschung-woehrmann at gmx.de  Mon Mar 15 23:56:13 2010
From: ahnenforschung-woehrmann at gmx.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Carsten_W=F6hrmann=22?=)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 07:56:13 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Cerecki / Zeretzke
Message-ID: <20100316065613.297590@gmx.net>

You can find some Zerecki or Zeretzki in the Lublin database too.

Regards
Carsten


From dr.stewner at t-online.de  Tue Mar 16 12:34:12 2010
From: dr.stewner at t-online.de (Dr. Frank Stewner)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:34:12 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Cerecki / Zeretzke
Message-ID: <5C1CFC8B7A304FEF8505E631EE116CDA@Acer>

The best I could find is Zareka laying S of Golebie and 500 m W of Volhynia (Ukraine) with 503714N 240451E (ddmmss).
The Bug is from here to the south not any more the frontier. It is marked as a Kol. and not yet included in the Poland gazetteer.
Frank Stewner


From deloresstevens at sasktel.net  Tue Mar 16 16:13:13 2010
From: deloresstevens at sasktel.net (Delores Stevens)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:13:13 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Borufka, Russland
References: <99C8C78F17B0458ABA2ED793E1D9F8B1@Acer>
Message-ID: <00e201cac55e$40b32380$3f0110ac@Delores>

Thank you to all who supplied information regarding Borufka.  It has been 
very helpful.

Delores Maduke 



From gmason001 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 17 07:02:57 2010
From: gmason001 at comcast.net (Greg Mason)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 10:02:57 -0400
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Map/timeline details
Message-ID: <D80B0B03-9880-425C-ADAF-734058735447@comcast.net>

I am researching villages in the vicinity of Annopol Poland  (approximately 40miles SW of Lublin, coordinates 50> 53' N  by 21>51' E ) in the time period 1880 - 1910
Can anyone tell me where I could locate a detailed map showing the timeline of boundary changes in this area between the Austrian Empire and Russia from the time Russia annexed Lublin Province until WWI?   Thanks for your help.  Greg Mason
 


From daveobee at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 17 08:39:11 2010
From: daveobee at shaw.ca (Dave Obee)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:39:11 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Map/timeline details
In-Reply-To: <D80B0B03-9880-425C-ADAF-734058735447@comcast.net>
References: <D80B0B03-9880-425C-ADAF-734058735447@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <cfac9c765aa9.4ba0952f@shaw.ca>

Depending on the detail that you are looking for, there are at least three historical atlases of Poland that might help. I found two on trips to Poland, and the third (the only English one of the three) on ebay.

Dave Obee

----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Mason <gmason001 at comcast.net>
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:06
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Map/timeline details
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org

> I am researching villages in the vicinity of Annopol 
> Poland? (approximately 40miles SW of Lublin, coordinates 
> 50> 53' N? by 21>51' E ) in the time period 1880 - 1910
> Can anyone tell me where I could locate a detailed map showing 
> the timeline of boundary changes in this area between the 
> Austrian Empire and Russia from the time Russia annexed Lublin 
> Province until WWI??? Thanks for your help.? Greg Mason
> ?
> 
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From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 17 09:25:13 2010
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 10:25:13 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Map/timeline details
In-Reply-To: <D80B0B03-9880-425C-ADAF-734058735447@comcast.net>
References: <D80B0B03-9880-425C-ADAF-734058735447@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <d53ef59c30adb.4ba0ae09@shaw.ca>

Greg,

This map http://www.philatelicdatabase.com/austria/austro-hungarian-empire-map-1814-1914/ ? is not very detailed but it shows the boundary as it existed from 1814 through WW I as well as the small chunk that was taken by Russia in 1815 in the area you are considering.? Except for that small chunk, the northern boundary did not change during that time frame.

You may be able to use it in conjunction with the boundary shown on ? http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/200e/40-51.jpg?? to figure out if it impacted your specific village.


Jerry






----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Mason <gmason001 at comcast.net>
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 8:07 am
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Map/timeline details
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org

> I am researching villages in the vicinity of Annopol 
> Poland? (approximately 40miles SW of Lublin, coordinates 
> 50> 53' N? by 21>51' E ) in the time period 1880 - 1910
> Can anyone tell me where I could locate a detailed map showing 
> the timeline of boundary changes in this area between the 
> Austrian Empire and Russia from the time Russia annexed Lublin 
> Province until WWI??? Thanks for your help.? Greg Mason
> ?
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From GARY.RUPPERT at comcast.net  Wed Mar 17 20:25:47 2010
From: GARY.RUPPERT at comcast.net (GARY.RUPPERT@comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:25:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 82,
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From Krampetz at aol.com  Thu Mar 18 14:25:34 2010
From: Krampetz at aol.com (Krampetz@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:25:34 EDT
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Map/timeline details
Message-ID: <58b5e.452d2abb.38d3f44e@aol.com>

Dave, it would help others if you can add the titles, dates, &  publishers 
of those atlases for others.
 
For several excellent online maps of Poland,  see: _http://igrek.amzp.pl/_ 
(http://igrek.amzp.pl/) 
Various sizes from 500,000 : 1  to 25,000 : 1,  dated  1930's-1950's  
 
Bob
 
 
 
In a message dated 03/17/10 08:41:13 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
daveobee at shaw.ca writes:

Depending on the detail that you are looking for, there are at  least three 
historical atlases of Poland that might help. I found two on trips  to 
Poland, and the third (the only English one of the three) on  ebay.

Dave Obee

----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Mason  <gmason001 at comcast.net>
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010  7:06
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Map/timeline details
To:  ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org

> I am researching villages in  the vicinity of Annopol 
> Poland  (approximately 40miles SW of  Lublin, coordinates 
> 50> 53' N  by 21>51' E ) in the time  period 1880 - 1910
> Can anyone tell me where I could locate a detailed  map showing 
> the timeline of boundary changes in this area between the  
> Austrian Empire and Russia from the time Russia annexed Lublin  
> Province until WWI?   Thanks for your help.  Greg  Mason
>  



From Mcl3900 at aol.com  Fri Mar 19 18:54:55 2010
From: Mcl3900 at aol.com (Mcl3900@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:54:55 EDT
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Researching the FOERSTER family
Message-ID: <3514f.6b7e9222.38d584ef@aol.com>

Dear Fellow Researchers:
 
I am requesting help with the FOERSTER  family.  The  family comprises the 
father August (dob 1851) , mother Rosalie Kuihn (dob 4  Apr 1862), two 
brothers Gottfried (dob 10 May 1880) and Gottlieb (17 March  1886) and two 
sisters Emma (4 Sept 1889) and Anna (29 June  1891).   The 1910 census indicates 
they were Rus-German.  I was  fortunate enough to find the ship's record for 
their entry into the  US.  Gottfried's last residence is shown as JUOTINSKE, 
Gottlieb's is  JUSTYNOWKE, PULIN, and the records for August, Rosalie, Emma 
and Anna indicated  they traveled together from PULIN.
 
At this point I hit a brick wall but hope I can trace  them further back 
and maybe even into Germany.  I would really  appreciate any help anyone can 
shed on my FOERSTER  branch.  I wish to  thank you in advance for your help.
 
Respectfully,
Lloyd Michael  McLarty


From megankube at bigpond.com  Fri Mar 19 19:48:38 2010
From: megankube at bigpond.com (Megan Kube)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:48:38 +1100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] KUBE family history
Message-ID: <D1CB8DC6F57246B79FA2A854D0252319@Megan>

Hello all,

 

I am searching for any information on my 3xgreat grandfather Gottfried
Johann Kube born c.1815.   He married Anna Elisabeth Kubel, born c.1814.
They had two children - Friedrich Augustus Kube born c.1838 and Christian
Gottfried Kube born c.1842.   We understand the family  came from the
Deutsch Nettkow/Crossen area.  

 

The family emigrated from Hamburg direct to Hobart, Tasmania, Australia in
1855 aboard the San Francisco.   We have a good history of Gottfried and his
children since their arrival in Tasmania, but have become stuck searching
for any information on their life/family prior to emigration.    I would be
extremely keen to hear from anyone (and especially any Kubes) who have any
information and/or suggestions of where to look.   I would also be grateful
to know where to write for copies for Friedrich's and Christian's birth
certificates - we believe they may have been born in Crossen, which is now
Krozno, Poland.

 

Thanks in advance for any help,

 

 

Megan Kube, Tasmania

 



From dbuss at rogers.com  Fri Mar 19 20:15:58 2010
From: dbuss at rogers.com (Dan Buss)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:15:58 -0400
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ship's manifests
Message-ID: <6E7C83B669C8407CBD7532A8F4752B09@DANIEL>

I've been meaning to ask this question for some time, hoping maybe someone would would have instead.  
Are the embarkation records at Hamburg the same as the the ship's listings that we see at the debarkation points as Halifax, New York, etc.??  Would there be more information as to town of birth?  Just how does the the whole process work?  My parents arrival at Halifax just gives nationality, and Russia as place of birth.
Dan Buss


From roseingram at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 19 22:42:59 2010
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:42:59 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Researching the FOERSTER family
References: <3514f.6b7e9222.38d584ef@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00eb01cac7f0$332a2940$6501a8c0@duocore>

Lloyd,

In what years did this famiy arrive in the US. Did they arrive in New York?

Rose Ingram 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mcl3900 at aol.com 
  To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
  Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 6:54 PM
  Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Researching the FOERSTER family


  Dear Fellow Researchers:
   
  I am requesting help with the FOERSTER  family.  The  family comprises the 
  father August (dob 1851) , mother Rosalie Kuihn (dob 4  Apr 1862), two 
  brothers Gottfried (dob 10 May 1880) and Gottlieb (17 March  1886) and two 
  sisters Emma (4 Sept 1889) and Anna (29 June  1891).   The 1910 census indicates 
  they were Rus-German.  I was  fortunate enough to find the ship's record for 
  their entry into the  US.  Gottfried's last residence is shown as JUOTINSKE, 
  Gottlieb's is  JUSTYNOWKE, PULIN, and the records for August, Rosalie, Emma 
  and Anna indicated  they traveled together from PULIN.
   
  At this point I hit a brick wall but hope I can trace  them further back 
  and maybe even into Germany.  I would really  appreciate any help anyone can 
  shed on my FOERSTER  branch.  I wish to  thank you in advance for your help.
   
  Respectfully,
  Lloyd Michael  McLarty


From bronklimach at gmail.com  Sat Mar 20 03:40:45 2010
From: bronklimach at gmail.com (Bronwyn Klimach)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:40:45 +0000
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] KUBE family history
In-Reply-To: <D1CB8DC6F57246B79FA2A854D0252319@Megan>
References: <D1CB8DC6F57246B79FA2A854D0252319@Megan>
Message-ID: <129d86831003200340w697d994bw2bbc4dfbe53cbf00@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Megan,
Have you looked at any of the people that show up in this database:
http://bindweed.man.poznan.pl/posen/search.php ?
Good luck,
Bronwyn.

On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Megan Kube <megankube at bigpond.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
>
>
> I am searching for any information on my 3xgreat grandfather Gottfried
> Johann Kube born c.1815.   He married Anna Elisabeth Kubel, born c.1814.
> They had two children - Friedrich Augustus Kube born c.1838 and Christian
> Gottfried Kube born c.1842.   We understand the family  came from the
> Deutsch Nettkow/Crossen area.
>
>
>
> The family emigrated from Hamburg direct to Hobart, Tasmania, Australia in
> 1855 aboard the San Francisco.   We have a good history of Gottfried and
> his
> children since their arrival in Tasmania, but have become stuck searching
> for any information on their life/family prior to emigration.    I would be
> extremely keen to hear from anyone (and especially any Kubes) who have any
> information and/or suggestions of where to look.   I would also be grateful
> to know where to write for copies for Friedrich's and Christian's birth
> certificates - we believe they may have been born in Crossen, which is now
> Krozno, Poland.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any help,
>
>
>
>
>
> Megan Kube, Tasmania
>
>
>
>
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From bronklimach at gmail.com  Sat Mar 20 03:54:13 2010
From: bronklimach at gmail.com (Bronwyn Klimach)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:54:13 +0000
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia]  Researching the FOERSTER family
In-Reply-To: <129d86831003200350l5aa94a4alc587a16d3efc06e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3514f.6b7e9222.38d584ef@aol.com>
	<129d86831003200350l5aa94a4alc587a16d3efc06e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <129d86831003200354w3904a23qc124fddc7deb53d7@mail.gmail.com>

 Lloyd,
As well as these locations (which look badly spelt but might be identifiable
by someone able to find and view the ship manifest), have you looked at
Church books for where the extended family settled in USA?  These will often
give more information than appears on certificates issued.  Location is
all-important in tracing your family's records back in Europe.
Good luck,
Bronwyn.

  On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 1:54 AM, <Mcl3900 at aol.com> wrote:

> Dear Fellow Researchers:
>
> I am requesting help with the FOERSTER  family.  The  family comprises the
> father August (dob 1851) , mother Rosalie Kuihn (dob 4  Apr 1862), two
> brothers Gottfried (dob 10 May 1880) and Gottlieb (17 March  1886) and two
> sisters Emma (4 Sept 1889) and Anna (29 June  1891).   The 1910 census
> indicates
> they were Rus-German.  I was  fortunate enough to find the ship's record
> for
> their entry into the  US.  Gottfried's last residence is shown as
> JUOTINSKE,
> Gottlieb's is  JUSTYNOWKE, PULIN, and the records for August, Rosalie, Emma
> and Anna indicated  they traveled together from PULIN.
>
> At this point I hit a brick wall but hope I can trace  them further back
> and maybe even into Germany.  I would really  appreciate any help anyone
> can
> shed on my FOERSTER  branch.  I wish to  thank you in advance for your
> help.
>
> Respectfully,
> Lloyd Michael  McLarty
>
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From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 20 07:51:35 2010
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:51:35 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Researching the FOERSTER family
In-Reply-To: <3514f.6b7e9222.38d584ef@aol.com>
References: <3514f.6b7e9222.38d584ef@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4BA4E0F7.4040405@shaw.ca>

Justinowka is located about 14 km due south of Pulin.  Pulin today is 
known as Tscherwonoarmisk.  I suspect that Juotinske is a misspelling of 
Justinowka but would have to see the original to get a better idea.

Your family does not appear to be in the Lutheran records.  Perhaps they 
were Baptist?  If so, your research may be difficult because records are 
not readily available.



Jerry Frank
Calgary, AB



Mcl3900 at aol.com wrote:
> Dear Fellow Researchers:
>  
> I am requesting help with the FOERSTER  family.  The  family comprises the 
> father August (dob 1851) , mother Rosalie Kuihn (dob 4  Apr 1862), two 
> brothers Gottfried (dob 10 May 1880) and Gottlieb (17 March  1886) and two 
> sisters Emma (4 Sept 1889) and Anna (29 June  1891).   The 1910 census indicates 
> they were Rus-German.  I was  fortunate enough to find the ship's record for 
> their entry into the  US.  Gottfried's last residence is shown as JUOTINSKE, 
> Gottlieb's is  JUSTYNOWKE, PULIN, and the records for August, Rosalie, Emma 
> and Anna indicated  they traveled together from PULIN.
>  
> At this point I hit a brick wall but hope I can trace  them further back 
> and maybe even into Germany.  I would really  appreciate any help anyone can 
> shed on my FOERSTER  branch.  I wish to  thank you in advance for your help.
>  
> Respectfully,
> Lloyd Michael  McLarty
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
>
>   


From walters.cathy at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 20 12:40:36 2010
From: walters.cathy at yahoo.com (Cathy Walters)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:40:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fw: [ancestorhunters] Jesse family
Message-ID: <392881.75614.qm@web57412.mail.re1.yahoo.com>




? ALWAYS A ROSE 

--- On Sat, 3/20/10, Cathy Walters <walters.cathy at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Cathy Walters <walters.cathy at yahoo.com>
Subject: [ancestorhunters] Jesse family
To: ancestorhunters at yahoogroups.com
Cc: "cathy walters" <walters.cathy at yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, March 20, 2010, 7:17 PM


? 





--- On Sat, 3/20/10, Cathy Walters <walters.cathy@ yahoo.com> wrote:

? ALWAYS A ROSE 

--- On Sat, 3/20/10, Cathy Walters <walters.cathy@ yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi?Hunter's?, I know that Poznan Project has lot to add,but it sure look's like sibling's of ancestor's sure wanted to keep memories of sib's by passing names to children,when they moved to diffrent kreis's,one can only hope a one name project take on?my Jesse/Jess. When looking at Posen the providence,my family is missing a Jacob in it,but wouldn't dought there was. When Andreas left for Kolmar in 1700's from Welnau,you can see he had used sib's names just like ours did using Poznan Project. Would be really neat to connect everyone ! I'm sure if a East project had Jesse/Jess you would find same names over & over again ! Andreas,Martin, Michael,Johann, Christian, Jacob,Gottlieb( forms of),poss.Julius, &Peter/Paul.
Our ancestor; Martin Jesse b.circa 1720-1740,m. circa 1750-1770 Anna?Catherine Halik b.1751
a daughter most likely took care of them and married after their passing.
Rosina Jesse b.c.1771 m.1830 Christoph Neumann(hence why you may see an Anna Catherine & Rosina in girls names) 
Our 3.Christoph Jesse b.July __1888 m.1815-1816 Anna Elisabeth Ebert b.c.1796 (her bro
is likely Jacob Ebert b.c.1772 m.1829 Anna Rosina Konkel b.c.1810)
Christoph & Anna Elisabeth had 11 children,that made it beyond infancy.
1.Gottlieb Jesse b.c.1816-this is unsure of ?m.c.1843
? son Gottfried Jesse b.c.1844 m.Welnau 1864 Amilia Binder b.c.1846 f.Johann
2.Christoph Jesse Jr.b.c.1817 m.1848 Wilhelmine Kolander-widow Mund
?? Pauline Jesse b.c.1850 m.Michael Schroeder b.c.1847 f.August
3.Julius Jesse b.c.1818 m.1845 d.c.1866 ?Wilelmine Werner b.c.23 m.1866 Jacob Platto ??
4.Eva Rosina Jesse b.c.1821 m.1854 ? Johann Michael Drews in Gnesen 
5.Anna Rosina Jesse b.c.1824 m.1843 Gottlieb Schmidt 1819 f.Michael
6.Caroline Jesse b.c.1836 m.1859 Carl Rudolf Mittelsteadt b.c.1833 f.Carl
7.Pauline Jesse b.c.1838 m.1862 Johann Miloston b.c.1838 f.Michael
8.Wilhelmine Jesse b.c.1839 m.1863*Freidrich Rossin b.c.1834/35Kornfeld e bpt.1835 Kaisersfelde? f.Michael 
9.Gustav Jesse b.c.1841 m.1866 Welhelmine Charlotte Albrecht USA 1884 Kenney TX

10.
11.{these most likely 1820's,plus maybe more-being they don't list those who never make it beyond infancy.}? ?=unsure-parent not listed
We know Michael's son Paul was sponcer for my grandfathers older brother August Julius Rossin b.1865-1873 age 7.
1.Michael Jesse b.c.1776-1779 m.c.1806
???? son Paul Jesse b.c.1807 m.1830 Pauline Herzog
2.Christain Jesse b.c.1881-1784 m.c.1811
3.Christoph Jesse Sr.b.1788 d.1872 July 23 Niewolna,
kreis Mogilno(bezirk Bromberg)prov. Posen,Germany( Poland)
4.Martin Jesse b.c.1798-1801 m.c.1828
5.Johann Jesse b.c.1794-1797m. c.1824 or b.c.1797-1809? m.c.1836
6.Andreas Jesse b.c.1808,m.c. 1835-most likely son of Michael(all need's research=$ and is reason for sponcers for baptism are important-pull' s families togather) This all isn't fact- but a guide post for further research,dates are sure to be off,one would have to delve into church books to have better facts.Many thanks to?those who gathered for?info in Poznan Project&Luacsz Bielecki,Sandy Thalmann my researcher,Petra Swerwaty for giving me my greatgr.grandmothers name and Jesse cousin,my Jesse cousin-?Lianne Muhl 9.Gustav' s grand,my cousin-Rossin Jerimiah Moerke !?Cathy in Elgin,MN

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From zsorba99 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 20 12:52:47 2010
From: zsorba99 at yahoo.com (Allyn Brosz)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:52:47 -0400
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ship's Manifests
Message-ID: <e4d745bf1003201252v717c9b61n70f19d5b6fce72bf@mail.gmail.com>

There are differences, and to some extent it depends on the time period in
question. U.S. laws required more information as the regulation of
immigration tightened. Also, I've found differences in the ages of people
listed, particularly the ages of children. Sometimes people appear on one
list and not the other. I haven't found a good general explanation for these
differences, but the same principle applies here as in other areas of your
research:  examine, evaluate, and compare every data source that's available
to you.

Best Wishes
Allyn Brosz
Washington, DC
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Dan Buss" <dbuss at rogers.com>
To: "SGGEE" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:15:58 -0400
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ship's manifests
I've been meaning to ask this question for some time, hoping maybe someone
would would have instead.
Are the embarkation records at Hamburg the same as the the ship's listings
that we see at the debarkation points as Halifax, New York, etc.??  Would
there be more information as to town of birth?  Just how does the the whole
process work?  My parents arrival at Halifax just gives nationality, and
Russia as place of birth.
Dan Buss


From robinquilter at gmail.com  Sat Mar 20 15:03:35 2010
From: robinquilter at gmail.com (Robin Grube)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:03:35 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Hamburg records
Message-ID: <d61d61811003201503m77816e53v5fd3f6f7b29a0037@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Megan-

Since the Hamburg records were made there in Europe, I have found them to be
more accurate in spelling of names and places, since they were more familiar
with them than the officials in New York, or wherever the immigrants landed.
These are available on the paid site of Ancestry.com. I depend on my library
for access. If no one responds quickly, I will look for you.
Good luck,

Robin Grube


From robinquilter at gmail.com  Sat Mar 20 15:10:49 2010
From: robinquilter at gmail.com (Robin Grube)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:10:49 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Hamburg records
Message-ID: <d61d61811003201510r71ac4566kc49994c6ae9fb85a@mail.gmail.com>

 I see I managed to combine 2 people's questions about Hamburg records, so
my opinion wasn't very helpful.

Sorry,
Robin Grube


From Mcl3900 at aol.com  Sat Mar 20 19:09:52 2010
From: Mcl3900 at aol.com (Mcl3900@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 22:09:52 EDT
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Researching the FOERSTER family
Message-ID: <67b4f.66418fc2.38d6d9f0@aol.com>

Dear Rose:
 
Ships'  records show that :
 
GOTTFRIED FOERSTER arrived aboard the Kensington from Antwerp  April 8, 
1899, port of New York (I believe)
 
GOTTLIEB FOERSTER arrived aboard the Kensington from Antwerp  Aug 4, 1900, 
port of New York (I believe)
 
AUGUST, ROSALIE, EMMA AND ANNA arrived aboard the Rhein from  Bremen Jan 
11, 1900, port of Baltimore
 
Any help would be most appreciated.  Thanks in  advance.
 
Sincerely,
Lloyd  Michael McLarty 


From Krampetz at aol.com  Sun Mar 21 15:34:48 2010
From: Krampetz at aol.com (Krampetz@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:34:48 EDT
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Researching the FOERSTER family
Message-ID: <8bd23.7d413fc1.38d7f908@aol.com>

I had excellent success by emailing the EZA  _http://ezab.de/_ 
(http://ezab.de/) 
(THE  EVANGELICAL  CENTRAL  ARCHIVE  IN  BERLIN   they obtained many of 
               the Lutheran church books after  WWII)
With less information than you have,  they replied in 24 hours  (!!!)
with 8 siblings  (4 unknown) & a mariage,  When I  replied that was
a second marriage,  and repeated the name of the first wife,
in another 3 days they found another sibling, and the death of the  first
wife.  
 It took about a week to obtain all their church records   (births, 
marriages & death)  for a great head-start.  No guarantee  you'll be as successful, 
 but it's via email 
 
Also,  did you sift thru the 287 "Foerster's" in the SGGEE Data  base?
There are 16 "August's"  (first or middle name)
 3   "Gottfried's"         "
17  "Gottlieb's"                 "
27 "Anna's" & 1 "Emma"    "
 
Bob
 
 
In a message dated 03/19/10 06:57:54 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
Mcl3900 at aol.com writes:
 
Dear  Fellow Researchers:

I am requesting help with the FOERSTER   family.  The  family comprises the 
father August (dob 1851) ,  mother Rosalie Kuihn (dob 4  Apr 1862), two 
brothers Gottfried (dob  10 May 1880) and Gottlieb (17 March  1886) and two 
sisters Emma (4  Sept 1889) and Anna (29 June  1891).   The 1910 census  
indicates 
they were Rus-German.  I was  fortunate enough to find  the ship's record 
for 
their entry into the  US.  Gottfried's  last residence is shown as 
JUOTINSKE, 
Gottlieb's is  JUSTYNOWKE,  PULIN, and the records for August, Rosalie, 
Emma 
and Anna indicated   they traveled together from PULIN.

At this point I hit a brick wall but  hope I can trace  them further back 
and maybe even into  Germany.  I would really  appreciate any help anyone 
can 
shed on  my FOERSTER  branch.  I wish to  thank you in advance for your  
help.

Respectfully,
Lloyd Michael   McLarty

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From edies_hook at msn.com  Tue Mar 23 11:00:54 2010
From: edies_hook at msn.com (Edith McKelvy)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:00:54 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] REMPEL,
	WILHELM AND LUISE on Canadian Passenger Lists
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP468143CE6BBCD0837053CAE7260@phx.gbl>

Resubmitted.   Has anyone been able to read (or guess at) these entries
shown below?  Using JewishSchtetlSeeker and Kartenmeister "conversion
charts", I have found  present-day Pleschen/Pleszew  and Przybin  as
possibilities for item #1 below.
 
What do you suggest?   
 
Edith Rimple McKelvy
Silverdale WA

  _____  

From: Edith McKelvy [mailto:edies_hook at msn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:22 PM
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org; GPPR-GRHS
Subject: REMPEL, WILHELM AND LUISE on Canadian Passenger Lists


Request your assistance in reading the very blurry specific birthplaces of
individuals below as shown on  Canadian Passenger Lists 1865-1935.  
 
1.  REMPEL, WILHELM  b.1868
    19 June 1926 -- SS Celtic (White Star), Liverpool to Halifax(?)
    Born:       Poland, Prachwehn or Prachuoha or Pracheum or ???
    Source:   Canadian Passenger Lists 1865-1935, Vol. 7, page 73
 
    29 Sept 1927 -- SS Empress of France (CP), Hamburg>Quebec
    Born:      Poland, Kalisch
    Source:  Canadian Passenger Lists 1865-1935, Vol. 23, page 152
 
    Note:  May have lived in Zhitomir Volhynia area as a young man
(unconfirmed, but very likely)
 
2. REMPEL,  LUISE (JESKE/YESKE/TESCHKE)  b. abt 1878
    19 June 1926 -- SS Celtic (White Star), Hamburg>Montreal(?)
    Born:      Russia, Sergeofka or Gergeofka or ???
    Source:  Same as Wilhelm above
 
    29 Sept 1927 -- Empress of France (CP), Hamburg>Quebec
    Born:      Russia, Sergeofa or ???
    Source:  Same as Wilhelm above
 
    Note:  Wilhelm's brother Friedrich Rempel/Rimple married Anna Schiller,
born in Murawi Volhynia.  Luise and Anna may  have lived in neighboring
villages and knew each other.  
 
3. SON:  REMPEL, FRIEDRICH  b. 1909
    27 June 1926 -- SS Celtic (White Star)
    Born:      Russia, Hofman..... or ???
    Source:  Same as Wilhelm above
 
    Note:  Friedrich's oral history indicates he was born in  (sounds like)
"Cha-vee-esh-ka".  Could it be "Sergeofka"?
 
Any assistance would be most appreciated -- even wild guesses!
 
Edith Rimple McKelvy
Silverdale WA


From eduardo.kommers at gmail.com  Wed Mar 24 05:25:00 2010
From: eduardo.kommers at gmail.com (Eduardo Kommers)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:25:00 -0300
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] research on SGGEE
Message-ID: <7E85B162562F40BCB60B3E8BBF56EE88@nbtrt02>

Hi, is the B/M/D Volhynia/Kiev & Podolia search engine working?
When I submit a name nothing happens... 

Thanks,

Eduardo Kommers
MSN: eduardo.kommers at hotmail.com
Skype: eduardo.kommers

From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 24 06:04:08 2010
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 07:04:08 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] research on SGGEE
In-Reply-To: <7E85B162562F40BCB60B3E8BBF56EE88@nbtrt02>
References: <7E85B162562F40BCB60B3E8BBF56EE88@nbtrt02>
Message-ID: <4BAA0DC8.7060408@shaw.ca>

Eduardo,

The searches seem to be working correctly here.  If you continue to have 
problems, please write to me personally, describing in detail what is 
happening, what specific page you are on, and advising me what browser 
you are using.


Jerry Frank
Calgary, AB



Eduardo Kommers wrote:
> Hi, is the B/M/D Volhynia/Kiev & Podolia search engine working?
> When I submit a name nothing happens... 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eduardo Kommers
> MSN: eduardo.kommers at hotmail.com
> Skype: eduardo.kommers
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
>
>   


From eduardo.kommers at gmail.com  Wed Mar 24 10:08:21 2010
From: eduardo.kommers at gmail.com (Eduardo Kommers)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:08:21 -0300
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] From Germany straight to Volhynia
Message-ID: <A59B5514A2224D3AA43C2BA8A9DAC57E@nbtrt02>

Has anyone ever experienced in the researches about families that went from Germany straight to Volhynia in the period from 1830' to 1860'?
Are there records about this immigration?

By the way, as I know Wuerttemberg and Pomerania are both origin places of those germans families that went straight to Volhynia. Are there other places in Germany for the period I mean? 

I'll appreciate all of your comments.

Thanks,
Eduardo Kommers


From Spaghettitree at aol.com  Wed Mar 24 10:36:23 2010
From: Spaghettitree at aol.com (Spaghettitree@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:36:23 EDT
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] From Germany straight to Volhynia
Message-ID: <1ee8a.20b6c41b.38dba797@aol.com>

Perhaps this book will help you - The Emigration from Germany to Russia in  
the Years 1763 to 1862, by Karl Stumpp, 1982, a reprint by the American  
Historical Society of Germans from Russia, 613 D Street, Lincoln, NE  68502.   
More than 1,000 pages.
 
Maureen
 
 
 
In a message dated 3/24/2010 10:12:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
eduardo.kommers at gmail.com writes:

Has  anyone ever experienced in the researches about families that went 
from  Germany straight to Volhynia in the period from 1830' to 1860'?
Are there  records about this immigration?

By the way, as I know Wuerttemberg and  Pomerania are both origin places of 
those germans families that went straight  to Volhynia. Are there other 
places in Germany for the period I mean?  

I'll appreciate all of your comments.

Thanks,
Eduardo  Kommers

_______________________________________________
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Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe  http://www.sggee.org
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From ggoldstone1 at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 24 13:45:55 2010
From: ggoldstone1 at shaw.ca (GABRIELE GOLDSTONE)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:45:55 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] new book
In-Reply-To: <A59B5514A2224D3AA43C2BA8A9DAC57E@nbtrt02>
References: <A59B5514A2224D3AA43C2BA8A9DAC57E@nbtrt02>
Message-ID: <f31df4824bdde.4baa33b3@shaw.ca>

Hi,
I'm new to this listserve, although I've belonged to SGGEE for a few years.
Want to share that I've finally had my book about my mom's childhood in Volhynia
released. It's a book for kids (ages 10 and up). My mom's world changed when she was a
child (11/12) and I wanted to tell it from that viewpoint. The story happens 1930/1
during collectivization. It's just been shortlisted for a Book of the Year for Young
People award here?in Manitoba, so I'm feeling a bit more confident in sharing about it.
(Of course, many of you here are experts about Volhynia, so I share this with new trepidation.)

Special thanks to Don Miller for ?everything - especially for?
helping me find my grandfather's land and
his file in the former KGB archives in Zhitomir.
Please visit my website www.gabrielegoldstone.com for more info.?
And I apologize if this sort of advertising is out of place.
-gabe




From mlaudolff at charter.net  Fri Mar 26 13:36:03 2010
From: mlaudolff at charter.net (mlaudolff)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:36:03 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Doberstein
Message-ID: <2C78E2E477F34BDA8F4684E78C8CC49E@HOMEPC>

I am wondering if anyone would be willing  to help me out.
Our local LDS facility does not have a copier to use, checking with  the next closet facility - I was told theirs was down for repairs and I would need to re-0rder the films through their facilities!! 
  I had ordered  films (#0746760-Lubstow) and (0758349) to view and am wondering if anyone is currently viewing these films and would be intersted in making copies for me?  If you could contact me individually I can provide more information fo which pages I am interested in.

Thank you for your assistance

Tana George Laudolff
in Search of...Doberstein, Friske, Kitzman,Richter and Guenther 

From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 27 08:49:43 2010
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:49:43 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] From Germany straight to Volhynia
In-Reply-To: <1ee8a.20b6c41b.38dba797@aol.com>
References: <1ee8a.20b6c41b.38dba797@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4BAE2917.20200@shaw.ca>

The referenced book is an excellent resource for Volga and Black Sea 
German research.  However, it does not contain a lot of help for 
Volhynia in spite of the fact that Stumpp was in charge of German forces 
in Volhynia during WW II.

There are no migration records of people that went to Volhynia that I am 
aware of EXCEPT that, sometimes, local church books in Wuerttemberg and 
other places showed the names of people leaving their parish and where 
they were going to.  These were not always accurate nor complete.  For 
example, a record in the Nagold church book says my ancestor was going 
to West Prussia when in fact they went to South Prussia.

There is a series of 6 books containing Wuerttemberg Emigration 
records.  You should be able to GOOGLE the term and find details.  They 
are not specific to Volhynia of course and, as with the church books, 
they are not complete.

Many of the people from Wuerttemberg, Pomerania, and other locations 
stopped for a generation or two in Russian Poland before moving on to 
Volhynia. 


Jerry Frank
Calgary, AB



Spaghettitree at aol.com wrote:
> Perhaps this book will help you - The Emigration from Germany to Russia in  
> the Years 1763 to 1862, by Karl Stumpp, 1982, a reprint by the American  
> Historical Society of Germans from Russia, 613 D Street, Lincoln, NE  68502.   
> More than 1,000 pages.
>  
> Maureen
>  
>  
>  
> In a message dated 3/24/2010 10:12:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
> eduardo.kommers at gmail.com writes:
>
> Has  anyone ever experienced in the researches about families that went 
> from  Germany straight to Volhynia in the period from 1830' to 1860'?
> Are there  records about this immigration?
>
> By the way, as I know Wuerttemberg and  Pomerania are both origin places of 
> those germans families that went straight  to Volhynia. Are there other 
> places in Germany for the period I mean?  
>
> I'll appreciate all of your comments.
>
> Thanks,
> Eduardo  Kommers
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia  Mailing List hosted by
> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe  http://www.sggee.org
> Mailing list info at  http://www.sggee.org/listserv
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
>
>   


From roseingram at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 27 11:04:17 2010
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 11:04:17 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] From Germany straight to Volhynia
References: <1ee8a.20b6c41b.38dba797@aol.com> <4BAE2917.20200@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <003b01cacdd7$eb1cdb00$6501a8c0@duocore>

Thanks for this information Jerry.

The FHC I use was the beneficiary of 6 or 7 of the Wuerttemberg Emigration books by way of donation from the local Family History Society few years ago. I have yet to look through these books.

You can also check out   http://www.germanroots.com/emigration.html  

Rose Ingram 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jerry Frank 
  To: Spaghettitree at aol.com 
  Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
  Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 8:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] From Germany straight to Volhynia


  The referenced book is an excellent resource for Volga and Black Sea 
  German research.  However, it does not contain a lot of help for 
  Volhynia in spite of the fact that Stumpp was in charge of German forces 
  in Volhynia during WW II.

  There are no migration records of people that went to Volhynia that I am 
  aware of EXCEPT that, sometimes, local church books in Wuerttemberg and 
  other places showed the names of people leaving their parish and where 
  they were going to.  These were not always accurate nor complete.  For 
  example, a record in the Nagold church book says my ancestor was going 
  to West Prussia when in fact they went to South Prussia.

  There is a series of 6 books containing Wuerttemberg Emigration 
  records.  You should be able to GOOGLE the term and find details.  They 
  are not specific to Volhynia of course and, as with the church books, 
  they are not complete.

  Many of the people from Wuerttemberg, Pomerania, and other locations 
  stopped for a generation or two in Russian Poland before moving on to 
  Volhynia. 


  Jerry Frank
  Calgary, AB



  Spaghettitree at aol.com wrote:
  > Perhaps this book will help you - The Emigration from Germany to Russia in  
  > the Years 1763 to 1862, by Karl Stumpp, 1982, a reprint by the American  
  > Historical Society of Germans from Russia, 613 D Street, Lincoln, NE  68502.   
  > More than 1,000 pages.
  >  
  > Maureen
  >  
  >  
  >  
  > In a message dated 3/24/2010 10:12:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
  > eduardo.kommers at gmail.com writes:
  >
  > Has  anyone ever experienced in the researches about families that went 
  > from  Germany straight to Volhynia in the period from 1830' to 1860'?
  > Are there  records about this immigration?
  >
  > By the way, as I know Wuerttemberg and  Pomerania are both origin places of 
  > those germans families that went straight  to Volhynia. Are there other 
  > places in Germany for the period I mean?  
  >
  > I'll appreciate all of your comments.
  >
  > Thanks,
  > Eduardo  Kommers
  >
  > _______________________________________________
  > Ger-Poland-Volhynia  Mailing List hosted by
  > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe  http://www.sggee.org
  > Mailing list info at  http://www.sggee.org/listserv
  >
  >
  > _______________________________________________
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  > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
  > Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
  >
  >   

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From my_ancestors at telus.net  Sat Mar 27 21:04:14 2010
From: my_ancestors at telus.net (my_ancestors)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 22:04:14 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wuerttemberg
Message-ID: <ABB8FBAB154F4E9D896FC23ED74DFA89@studyoct21>

In the emails of earlier today, there is a reference to "Wuerttemberg,
Pomerania" as below. I was unsure as to whether or not it referred to two
places or just one, i.e. is this Wuerttemberg in Baden near Stuttgart, or is
there a place in Pomerania named Wuertemberg?



From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 27 22:53:21 2010
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 23:53:21 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wuerttemberg
In-Reply-To: <ABB8FBAB154F4E9D896FC23ED74DFA89@studyoct21>
References: <ABB8FBAB154F4E9D896FC23ED74DFA89@studyoct21>
Message-ID: <4BAEEED1.90801@shaw.ca>

I believe the reference was to two different regions / provinces.

Jerry Frank
Calgary, AB



my_ancestors wrote:
> In the emails of earlier today, there is a reference to "Wuerttemberg,
> Pomerania" as below. I was unsure as to whether or not it referred to two
> places or just one, i.e. is this Wuerttemberg in Baden near Stuttgart, or is
> there a place in Pomerania named Wuertemberg?
>
>
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From LINDASUSAK at comcast.net  Sun Mar 28 09:37:45 2010
From: LINDASUSAK at comcast.net (LINDASUSAK@comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:37:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] From Germany straight to Volhynia
In-Reply-To: <003b01cacdd7$eb1cdb00$6501a8c0@duocore>
Message-ID: <1114024460.6010681269794265226.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Rose and everyone, 


Are there any books of index of German emigrating to Polish areas from Hinterpommern (Pomerelia)? 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rose Ingram" <roseingram at shaw.ca> 
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 12:04:17 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain 
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] From Germany straight to Volhynia 

Thanks for this information Jerry. 

The FHC I use was the beneficiary of 6 or 7 of the Wuerttemberg Emigration books by way of donation from the local Family History Society few years ago. I have yet to look through these books. 

You can also check out http://www.germanroots.com/emigration.html 

Rose Ingram 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jerry Frank 
To: Spaghettitree at aol.com 
Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 8:49 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] From Germany straight to Volhynia 


The referenced book is an excellent resource for Volga and Black Sea 
German research. However, it does not contain a lot of help for 
Volhynia in spite of the fact that Stumpp was in charge of German forces 
in Volhynia during WW II. 

There are no migration records of people that went to Volhynia that I am 
aware of EXCEPT that, sometimes, local church books in Wuerttemberg and 
other places showed the names of people leaving their parish and where 
they were going to. These were not always accurate nor complete. For 
example, a record in the Nagold church book says my ancestor was going 
to West Prussia when in fact they went to South Prussia. 

There is a series of 6 books containing Wuerttemberg Emigration 
records. You should be able to GOOGLE the term and find details. They 
are not specific to Volhynia of course and, as with the church books, 
they are not complete. 

Many of the people from Wuerttemberg, Pomerania, and other locations 
stopped for a generation or two in Russian Poland before moving on to 
Volhynia. 


Jerry Frank 
Calgary, AB 



Spaghettitree at aol.com wrote: 
> Perhaps this book will help you - The Emigration from Germany to Russia in 
> the Years 1763 to 1862, by Karl Stumpp, 1982, a reprint by the American 
> Historical Society of Germans from Russia, 613 D Street, Lincoln, NE 68502. 
> More than 1,000 pages. 
> 
> Maureen 
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 3/24/2010 10:12:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
> eduardo.kommers at gmail.com writes: 
> 
> Has anyone ever experienced in the researches about families that went 
> from Germany straight to Volhynia in the period from 1830' to 1860'? 
> Are there records about this immigration? 
> 
> By the way, as I know Wuerttemberg and Pomerania are both origin places of 
> those germans families that went straight to Volhynia. Are there other 
> places in Germany for the period I mean? 
> 
> I'll appreciate all of your comments. 
> 
> Thanks, 
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From dmarkaz at aol.com  Tue Mar 30 00:52:55 2010
From: dmarkaz at aol.com (dmarkaz@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 03:52:55 -0400
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Butzow Prison
Message-ID: <8CC9DF52450B127-4B08-8E6F@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com>


Does anyone know if there are records available online from 1945 for Butzow prison? I am looking for information on Frieda Keding.
Thank you
-Darcy Markham





From kopetzke at gmx.net  Wed Mar 31 02:37:37 2010
From: kopetzke at gmx.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Irene_K=F6nig?=)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:37:37 +0200
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Butzow Prison
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dmarkaz at aol.com schrieb am 30.03.2010 09:52 Uhr:
> Does anyone know if there are records available online from 1945 for
> Butzow prison? I am looking for information on Frieda Keding.


Online from 1945? Surely not! The Landeshauptarchiv Schwerin has records
on prisoners from B?tzow prison (Landesstrafanstalten Dreibergen-B?tzow)
from 1931 to 1945. On their website they state:

Due to staff reduction, written enquiries on family research can
unfortunately not be answered. You can either research your family
history in our reading room for a fee of 5,- Euros per day or we can
recommend experienced researchers on genealogical questions.

Landeshauptarchiv Schwerin
Graf-Schack-Allee 2
D-19053 Schwerin
telephone: 0049-385-59296-0
fax: 0385-59296-12
e-mail: poststelle at landeshauptarchiv-schwerin.de

--
Irene K?nig