From BruceB2332 at aol.com  Sun Nov  1 14:48:13 2009
From: BruceB2332 at aol.com (BruceB2332@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 17:48:13 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 78,
	Issue 1
Message-ID: <d0d.63d2d8ec.381f6a2d@aol.com>

cAN ANYONE SEND ME INFORMATION ON MIKE BROWN OR bRAUN,, AND MATHILDA Brown 
or Braun?  They came throguh ellis island wuth two children. Gottlieb and 
Julia.
sometime after 1900.

Sorry I caN;T GUVE ANY MORE INFORMATION THAN THAT.  THEY ARRIVED IN AMERICA 
FRONM POLAND AND SETTLED IN UNDERHILL, WISCONSIN.  THEY HAD A TOTAL OF 22 
CHILDREN, BUT20OF THEM DIED IN POLAND OF A PLAGUE THAT TOOKJ PLACE.  THEY HAD 
MY GREAT UNCLE, FRED BRAUN, HERE IN AMERICA.

ANY INFORMATION AT ALL WOULD BE GREATLY APRECIATED.

SINCERELY, 
PWOFWAAORE BERUCE W. BRAUN.
HARTFORD, QWISCONSIN.

From roseingram at shaw.ca  Sun Nov  1 15:04:52 2009
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 15:04:52 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Braun from Poland after 1900
References: <d0d.63d2d8ec.381f6a2d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <014301ca5b47$b878ca90$6601a8c0@duocore>

Bruce,

Do you know the approximate years Gottlieb and Julia may have been born.  

Rose Ingram
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: BruceB2332 at aol.com 
  To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
  Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 2:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1


  cAN ANYONE SEND ME INFORMATION ON MIKE BROWN OR bRAUN,, AND MATHILDA Brown 
  or Braun?  They came throguh ellis island wuth two children. Gottlieb and 
  Julia.
  sometime after 1900.

  Sorry I caN;T GUVE ANY MORE INFORMATION THAN THAT.  THEY ARRIVED IN AMERICA 
  FRONM POLAND AND SETTLED IN UNDERHILL, WISCONSIN.  THEY HAD A TOTAL OF 22 
  CHILDREN, BUT20OF THEM DIED IN POLAND OF A PLAGUE THAT TOOKJ PLACE.  THEY HAD 
  MY GREAT UNCLE, FRED BRAUN, HERE IN AMERICA.

  ANY INFORMATION AT ALL WOULD BE GREATLY APRECIATED.

  SINCERELY, 
  PWOFWAAORE BERUCE W. BRAUN.
  HARTFORD, QWISCONSIN.


From albertmuth at aol.com  Sun Nov  1 15:20:32 2009
From: albertmuth at aol.com (albertmuth@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:20:32 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Braun from Poland after 1900
In-Reply-To: <014301ca5b47$b878ca90$6601a8c0@duocore>
References: <d0d.63d2d8ec.381f6a2d@aol.com>
	<014301ca5b47$b878ca90$6601a8c0@duocore>
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Is Gottlieb born 1899 and Julia 1887 or so?



-----Original Message-----
From: Rose Ingram <roseingram at shaw.ca>
To: BruceB2332 at aol.com; ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Sent: Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:04 pm
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Braun from Poland after 1900







Bruce,

Do you know the approximate years Gottlieb and Julia may have been born.  

Rose Ingram
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: BruceB2332 at aol.com 
  To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
  Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 2:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1


  cAN ANYONE SEND ME INFORMATION ON MIKE BROWN OR bRAUN,, AND MATHILDA Brown 
  or Braun?  They came throguh ellis island wuth two children. Gottlieb and 
  Julia.
  sometime after 1900.

  Sorry I caN;T GUVE ANY MORE INFORMATION THAN THAT.  THEY ARRIVED IN AMERICA 
  FRONM POLAND AND SETTLED IN UNDERHILL, WISCONSIN.  THEY HAD A TOTAL OF 22 
  CHILDREN, BUT20OF THEM DIED IN POLAND OF A PLAGUE THAT TOOKJ PLACE.  THEY HAD 
  MY GREAT UNCLE, FRED BRAUN, HERE IN AMERICA.

  ANY INFORMATION AT ALL WOULD BE GREATLY APRECIATED.

  SINCERELY, 
  PWOFWAAORE BERUCE W. BRAUN.
  HARTFORD, QWISCONSIN.


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From roseingram at shaw.ca  Sun Nov  1 15:44:44 2009
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 15:44:44 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Braun from Poland after 1900
References: <d0d.63d2d8ec.381f6a2d@aol.com>
	<014301ca5b47$b878ca90$6601a8c0@duocore>
	<8CC29610B0E6171-88A4-D6F8@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <015501ca5b4d$4a4efb60$6601a8c0@duocore>

Bruce,

I found the family on the 1910 census using Ancestry.com.
Michael Braun is 55 years old
Matilda is 54 years old
son Gottlieb is 11 years old and
son Friedrich is 6 years old.  

It also notes that Michael and Matilda have been married 21 years.  It also indicates mother Matilda had 21 children but only 3 surviving as at 1910.

Rose Ingram

The census record also indicates Friederich was born in Russia.  This would mean the family arrived after 1904. 



From: albertmuth at aol.com 


  Is Gottlieb born 1899 and Julia 1887 or so?




  From: Rose Ingram <roseingram at shaw.ca>

  Bruce,

  Do you know the approximate years Gottlieb and Julia may have been born.  

  Rose Ingram
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: BruceB2332 at aol.com 
    To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
    Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 2:48 PM
    Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1


    cAN ANYONE SEND ME INFORMATION ON MIKE BROWN OR bRAUN,, AND MATHILDA Brown 
    or Braun?  They came throguh ellis island wuth two children. Gottlieb and 
    Julia.
    sometime after 1900.

    Sorry I caN;T GUVE ANY MORE INFORMATION THAN THAT.  THEY ARRIVED IN AMERICA 
    FRONM POLAND AND SETTLED IN UNDERHILL, WISCONSIN.  THEY HAD A TOTAL OF 22 
    CHILDREN, BUT20OF THEM DIED IN POLAND OF A PLAGUE THAT TOOKJ PLACE.  THEY HAD 
    MY GREAT UNCLE, FRED BRAUN, HERE IN AMERICA.

    ANY INFORMATION AT ALL WOULD BE GREATLY APRECIATED.

    SINCERELY, 
    PWOFWAAORE BERUCE W. BRAUN.
    HARTFORD, QWISCONSIN.


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From roseingram at shaw.ca  Sun Nov  1 16:14:16 2009
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:14:16 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Braun from Poland after 1900
References: <d0d.63d2d8ec.381f6a2d@aol.com>
	<014301ca5b47$b878ca90$6601a8c0@duocore>
	<8CC29610B0E6171-88A4-D6F8@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com>
	<015501ca5b4d$4a4efb60$6601a8c0@duocore>
Message-ID: <018a01ca5b51$6a915b30$6601a8c0@duocore>

Bruce,

The 1920 census indicates the family immigrated in 1899, and  Friedrich was born Wisconsin.  It appears the Census take made an error on the 1910 census recording his birth place as Russia.

I would also guess that the number of years Michael and Mathilde were married was more than 21 years, perhaps 31 years. 

Census records are great, but we certainly cannot relay on looking at only one census record, as I have discovered with your family.

Rose Ingram.
  
  From: Rose Ingram 


  Bruce,

  I found the family on the 1910 census using Ancestry.com.
  Michael Braun is 55 years old
  Matilda is 54 years old
  son Gottlieb is 11 years old and
  son Friedrich is 6 years old.  

  It also notes that Michael and Matilda have been married 21 years.  It also indicates mother Matilda had 21 children but only 3 surviving as at 1910.

  Rose Ingram

  The census record also indicates Friederich was born in Russia.  This would mean the family arrived after 1904. 



  From: albertmuth at aol.com 


    Is Gottlieb born 1899 and Julia 1887 or so?




    From: Rose Ingram <roseingram at shaw.ca>

    Bruce,

    Do you know the approximate years Gottlieb and Julia may have been born.  

    Rose Ingram
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: BruceB2332 at aol.com 
      To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
      Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 2:48 PM
      Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1


      cAN ANYONE SEND ME INFORMATION ON MIKE BROWN OR bRAUN,, AND MATHILDA Brown 
      or Braun?  They came throguh ellis island wuth two children. Gottlieb and 
      Julia.
      sometime after 1900.

      Sorry I caN;T GUVE ANY MORE INFORMATION THAN THAT.  THEY ARRIVED IN AMERICA 
      FRONM POLAND AND SETTLED IN UNDERHILL, WISCONSIN.  THEY HAD A TOTAL OF 22 
      CHILDREN, BUT20OF THEM DIED IN POLAND OF A PLAGUE THAT TOOKJ PLACE.  THEY HAD 
      MY GREAT UNCLE, FRED BRAUN, HERE IN AMERICA.

      ANY INFORMATION AT ALL WOULD BE GREATLY APRECIATED.

      SINCERELY, 
      PWOFWAAORE BERUCE W. BRAUN.
      HARTFORD, QWISCONSIN.


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From ivanteise at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 16:22:36 2009
From: ivanteise at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Iv=E1n_Teise?=)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:22:36 -0300
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Braun from Poland after 1900
In-Reply-To: <8CC29610B0E6171-88A4-D6F8@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com>
References: <d0d.63d2d8ec.381f6a2d@aol.com>
	<014301ca5b47$b878ca90$6601a8c0@duocore>
	<8CC29610B0E6171-88A4-D6F8@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <713a0810911011622t6c5a8ff6k401a67329a135338@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bruce,

I found the family at Ellis Island records:

Mihaly Braun, 45 years old
Mathilde Braun, 44 years old
Julia Braun, 17 years old
Gottlieb Braun, 11 months old

Departure: 3 May 1900, Hamburg
Arrival: 25 May 1900, New York
Ship: Pennsylvania
Last residence: Kobelka, Russia
Final destination: Gillett, Wisconsin

Best regards,

Iv?n Teise

From albertmuth at aol.com  Sun Nov  1 16:36:51 2009
From: albertmuth at aol.com (albertmuth@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 19:36:51 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Braun from Poland after 1900
In-Reply-To: <713a0810911011622t6c5a8ff6k401a67329a135338@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d0d.63d2d8ec.381f6a2d@aol.com><014301ca5b47$b878ca90$6601a8c0@duocore><8CC29610B0E6171-88A4-D6F8@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com>
	<713a0810911011622t6c5a8ff6k401a67329a135338@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CC296BB47516B0-88A4-E35B@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com>

Excellent, Ivan.


This then is the couple Michael Braun and Mathilde Depner married at Lublin 
in May 1879.  Parents for both are given in the Trinity Church Lublin database
(Click on the tab Research, Database Links, SGGEE Public, then look for Lublin)


Kobelka, correctly spelled, is Kobylka in the district Lubart?w


The mother Mathilde Depner was born 15 April 1857 at Nagod?w in
Gostynin parish in Central Poland.  Her family is already in the SGGEE
Master Pedigree Database.


One of my dad's first cousins married a Depner and lived in Oconto County,
Wisconsin.


Bruce, we are ready and waiting for you.


al


-----Original Message-----
From: Iv?n Teise <ivanteise at gmail.com>
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Sent: Sun, Nov 1, 2009 7:22 pm
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Braun from Poland after 1900







Hi Bruce,

I found the family at Ellis Island records:

Mihaly Braun, 45 years old
Mathilde Braun, 44 years old
Julia Braun, 17 years old
Gottlieb Braun, 11 months old

Departure: 3 May 1900, Hamburg
Arrival: 25 May 1900, New York
Ship: Pennsylvania
Last residence: Kobelka, Russia
Final destination: Gillett, Wisconsin

Best regards,

Iv?n Teise

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From joepessarra at suddenlink.net  Sun Nov  1 20:49:20 2009
From: joepessarra at suddenlink.net (joepessarra)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:49:20 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Braun from Poland after 1900
In-Reply-To: <713a0810911011622t6c5a8ff6k401a67329a135338@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d0d.63d2d8ec.381f6a2d@aol.com>	<014301ca5b47$b878ca90$6601a8c0@duocore>	<8CC29610B0E6171-88A4-D6F8@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com>
	<713a0810911011622t6c5a8ff6k401a67329a135338@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000301ca5b77$d746fcf0$85d4f6d0$@net>

Kobelka is now in Belarus, very near the border of Poland.  See Multimap at
http://www.multimap.com/ to look up its location.  And a Google view at
http://www.maplandia.com/belarus/brest/kobelka/


Joe in Texas

-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Iv?n
Teise
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 6:23 PM
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Braun from Poland after 1900

Hi Bruce,

I found the family at Ellis Island records:

Mihaly Braun, 45 years old
Mathilde Braun, 44 years old
Julia Braun, 17 years old
Gottlieb Braun, 11 months old

Departure: 3 May 1900, Hamburg
Arrival: 25 May 1900, New York
Ship: Pennsylvania
Last residence: Kobelka, Russia
Final destination: Gillett, Wisconsin

Best regards,

Iv?n Teise

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From h.bettich at osnanet.de  Sun Nov  1 21:21:33 2009
From: h.bettich at osnanet.de (Marina und Henning Bettich)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:21:33 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Gerds EMail Lask/Lodz
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1256929203.16749.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
References: <mailman.1.1256929203.16749.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID: <000301ca5b7c$57c34dd0$0749e970$@bettich@osnanet.de>

Hallo Gerd,

meine Vorfahren sind ?ber Polen (es hie? in m?ndlichen ?berlieferungen) ?ber
Lask bei Lodz nach Wolhynien ausgewandert.Sind dir irgendwelche Namen mit
Bettich oder Bettig bekannt?? Namentlich ist mir mein Ur-Ur-Gro?vater
bekannt Valentin Bettich er soll ca. 1830 in Lask bei Lodz geboren sein. Er
war verheiratet mit Therese Schubert bei ihr ist mir leider nichts weiteres
bekannt.

Die beiden hatten 5  Kinder  Valentin Bettich,  Rudolf Adolf Bettig, Anna
Bettich, Gottfried Bettich, Wilhelm August Bettich, aber diese m?ssten alle
schon in Wolhynien geboren sein (bis auf Anna und Gottfried weiss ich dies
auch sicher) Anna und Gottfried sind als Kinder sehr fr?h gestorben, in
Shitomir.

Es w?re sch?n von dir zu h?ren, mein Gro?vater w?rde sich sehr freuen wenn
ich dort einen Schritt voran k?me.(h.bettich at osnanet.de)


Erstmal liebe Gr??e aus Glandorf

Henning Bettich


Ein freundliches Hallo in die Runde,

als Neuer m?chte ich die Gelegenheit nutzen und mich kurz vorstellen.

Ich hei?e Gerd K?ke, bin 60 Jahre alt und wohnhaft in Berlin (Deutschland).
Meine Ahnenforschungsschwerpunkte liegen derzeit im heutigen Polen, in den 
Orten
Lodz, Lask, Pabianice, Belchatow und weitere.
Die Namen nach denen ich schwerpunktm??ig forsche sind: ANSPERGER, HEIN, 
FEIGE, KELM, KOLOF (KOHLOFF, KOHLOFF, KUHLOFF, usw.), REDLOF (REDLOW), 
RUTSCH, SCHINK, SCHR?TER, SEELGER und ZINSINGER.

Ich freue mich auf eine gute und erfolgreiche Zusammenarbeit und m?chte noch

darauf hinweisen, dass meine Englischkenntnisse nur sp?rlich sind. (Es gibt 
ja ?bersetzungsprogramme!)

Mit besten Gr??en aus Berlin

Gerd
A friendly hello to everybody,

as the new one, i want to shortly introduce myself.

 My name is Gerd K?ke, i'm 60 years old and i live in Berlin, Germany.

At the moment my focus of my ancestor research lie on places situated today 
in Poland as: Lodz, Lask, Pabianice, Belchatow and others.

The names i focus on are ANSPERGER, HEIN, FEIGE, KELM, KOLOF (KOHLOFF, 
KOHLOFF, KUHLOFF, usw.), REDLOF (REDLOW), RUTSCH, SCHINK, SCHR?TER, SEELGER 
und ZINSINGER.

I'm looking forward to a successful cooperation, but have to give the hint, 
that my knowledge of english is not so good. Fortunatly i have a son-in-law 
and the online-translator.

Best greeting from the capital

Yours, Gerd 



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From colnels at telus.net  Sun Nov  1 21:43:53 2009
From: colnels at telus.net (Nelson Itterman)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:43:53 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Gerds EMail Lask/Lodz
In-Reply-To: <000301ca5b7c$57c34dd0$0749e970$@bettich@osnanet.de>
References: <mailman.1.1256929203.16749.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
	<000301ca5b7c$57c34dd0$0749e970$@bettich@osnanet.de>
Message-ID: <001701ca5b7f$76ec1cc0$64c45640$@net>

Valentin is on the Odessa site. Born August Wilhelm Bettich 1 November 1872
father Valentin mother
Theresa Schubert
Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Marina
und Henning Bettich
Sent: November-01-09 10:22 PM
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Gerds EMail Lask/Lodz

Hallo Gerd,

meine Vorfahren sind ?ber Polen (es hie? in m?ndlichen ?berlieferungen) ?ber
Lask bei Lodz nach Wolhynien ausgewandert.Sind dir irgendwelche Namen mit
Bettich oder Bettig bekannt?? Namentlich ist mir mein Ur-Ur-Gro?vater
bekannt Valentin Bettich er soll ca. 1830 in Lask bei Lodz geboren sein. Er
war verheiratet mit Therese Schubert bei ihr ist mir leider nichts weiteres
bekannt.

Die beiden hatten 5  Kinder  Valentin Bettich,  Rudolf Adolf Bettig, Anna
Bettich, Gottfried Bettich, Wilhelm August Bettich, aber diese m?ssten alle
schon in Wolhynien geboren sein (bis auf Anna und Gottfried weiss ich dies
auch sicher) Anna und Gottfried sind als Kinder sehr fr?h gestorben, in
Shitomir.

Es w?re sch?n von dir zu h?ren, mein Gro?vater w?rde sich sehr freuen wenn
ich dort einen Schritt voran k?me.(h.bettich at osnanet.de)


Erstmal liebe Gr??e aus Glandorf

Henning Bettich


Ein freundliches Hallo in die Runde,

als Neuer m?chte ich die Gelegenheit nutzen und mich kurz vorstellen.

Ich hei?e Gerd K?ke, bin 60 Jahre alt und wohnhaft in Berlin (Deutschland).
Meine Ahnenforschungsschwerpunkte liegen derzeit im heutigen Polen, in den
Orten Lodz, Lask, Pabianice, Belchatow und weitere.
Die Namen nach denen ich schwerpunktm??ig forsche sind: ANSPERGER, HEIN,
FEIGE, KELM, KOLOF (KOHLOFF, KOHLOFF, KUHLOFF, usw.), REDLOF (REDLOW),
RUTSCH, SCHINK, SCHR?TER, SEELGER und ZINSINGER.

Ich freue mich auf eine gute und erfolgreiche Zusammenarbeit und m?chte noch

darauf hinweisen, dass meine Englischkenntnisse nur sp?rlich sind. (Es gibt
ja ?bersetzungsprogramme!)

Mit besten Gr??en aus Berlin

Gerd
A friendly hello to everybody,

as the new one, i want to shortly introduce myself.

 My name is Gerd K?ke, i'm 60 years old and i live in Berlin, Germany.

At the moment my focus of my ancestor research lie on places situated today
in Poland as: Lodz, Lask, Pabianice, Belchatow and others.

The names i focus on are ANSPERGER, HEIN, FEIGE, KELM, KOLOF (KOHLOFF,
KOHLOFF, KUHLOFF, usw.), REDLOF (REDLOW), RUTSCH, SCHINK, SCHR?TER, SEELGER
und ZINSINGER.

I'm looking forward to a successful cooperation, but have to give the hint,
that my knowledge of english is not so good. Fortunatly i have a son-in-law
and the online-translator.

Best greeting from the capital

Yours, Gerd 



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From perry1121 at aol.com  Mon Nov  2 06:10:50 2009
From: perry1121 at aol.com (Sigrid Pohl Perry)
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:10:50 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Braun from Poland after 1900
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References: <d0d.63d2d8ec.381f6a2d@aol.com>	<014301ca5b47$b878ca90$6601a8c0@duocore>	<8CC29610B0E6171-88A4-D6F8@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com>	<713a0810911011622t6c5a8ff6k401a67329a135338@mail.gmail.com>
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Bruce,

"Kobelka" in the Lubartow region near Lublin is more commonly spelled 
Kobylki. Today its administrative locations are Ludwin, Leczna, 
Lubelskie, and map coordinates are 51 degrees 21 minutes 29 seconds and 
23 degrees 19 seconds.

I am one of the volunteers for the Lublin Project and can assure you 
that you will find information about your ancestors in the project 
index: 
http://www.sggee.org/research/parishes/lublin_records/lublinsearchinstruct.html
You will be able to order records from the church in Lublin, though most 
of these will be in Polish or Russian.

Regards,
Sigrid Pohl Perry

joepessarra wrote:
> Kobelka is now in Belarus, very near the border of Poland.  See Multimap at
> http://www.multimap.com/ to look up its location.  And a Google view at
> http://www.maplandia.com/belarus/brest/kobelka/
>
>
> Joe in Texas
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
> [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Iv?n
> Teise
> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 6:23 PM
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Braun from Poland after 1900
>
> Hi Bruce,
>
> I found the family at Ellis Island records:
>
> Mihaly Braun, 45 years old
> Mathilde Braun, 44 years old
> Julia Braun, 17 years old
> Gottlieb Braun, 11 months old
>
> Departure: 3 May 1900, Hamburg
> Arrival: 25 May 1900, New York
> Ship: Pennsylvania
> Last residence: Kobelka, Russia
> Final destination: Gillett, Wisconsin
>
> Best regards,
>
> Iv?n Teise
>
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From colnels at telus.net  Mon Nov  2 13:57:03 2009
From: colnels at telus.net (Nelson Itterman)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:57:03 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Reply to e-mails
Message-ID: <000501ca5c07$6983c410$3c8b4c30$@net>

Hello all, my computer is not sending reply's on my e-mail. Anybody have any
ideas?

Nelson


From mackzie at tds.net  Sun Nov  1 16:02:25 2009
From: mackzie at tds.net (Beth Burke)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:02:25 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 78,
	Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <d0d.63d2d8ec.381f6a2d@aol.com>
References: <d0d.63d2d8ec.381f6a2d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <008e01ca5b4f$c3969490$4ac3bdb0$@net>

There is a Braun family that arrived at Ellis Island on May 25, 1900.
Although it's difficult to read Michael's (it's actually translated Miholy)
name, Mathilda, Gottlieb and Julia are clearly listed under what I believe
is probably Michael's name.  They arrived on the SS Pennsylvania, having
sailed from Hamburg.  The city listed as their last place of residence is
Kobelka.  It looks like Michael was 45 years old, Mathilda was 44 years old,
Julia was 17 years old and Gottlieb was 11 months old.  It looks like they
had approximately $200 (hard to read), and lists a contact/relative
Ferdinand Dopes (also very hard to read).

OK, now here's where this all peaks my curiosity.  It lists their final
destination as Gillett, Wisconsin.  This is where my relatives settled after
they arrived from the Lublin area of Poland.  Their names - Gustav and
Bertha Friedrich (Fredrick) and they arrived at Ellis in 1904, went to
Leduc, Alberta, Canada, and then back to Gillett, Wisconsin.

Anxious to hear from you....

Beth
mackzie at earthlink.net
Verona, WI

-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of
BruceB2332 at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 4:48 PM
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 78, Issue
1

cAN ANYONE SEND ME INFORMATION ON MIKE BROWN OR bRAUN,, AND MATHILDA Brown 
or Braun?  They came throguh ellis island wuth two children. Gottlieb and 
Julia.
sometime after 1900.

Sorry I caN;T GUVE ANY MORE INFORMATION THAN THAT.  THEY ARRIVED IN AMERICA 
FRONM POLAND AND SETTLED IN UNDERHILL, WISCONSIN.  THEY HAD A TOTAL OF 22 
CHILDREN, BUT20OF THEM DIED IN POLAND OF A PLAGUE THAT TOOKJ PLACE.  THEY
HAD 
MY GREAT UNCLE, FRED BRAUN, HERE IN AMERICA.

ANY INFORMATION AT ALL WOULD BE GREATLY APRECIATED.

SINCERELY, 
PWOFWAAORE BERUCE W. BRAUN.
HARTFORD, QWISCONSIN.

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From mw2657 at cs.com  Mon Nov  2 16:03:50 2009
From: mw2657 at cs.com (mw2657@cs.com)
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:03:50 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 78,
	Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <008e01ca5b4f$c3969490$4ac3bdb0$@net>
References: <d0d.63d2d8ec.381f6a2d@aol.com>
	<008e01ca5b4f$c3969490$4ac3bdb0$@net>
Message-ID: <8CC2A3041AB00AD-513C-D60@webmail-d017.sysops.aol.com>


This discussion has peaked my interest in that I knew Braun's in Shawano Wisconsin back in the 60's. If these are possibly the fame family, please contact me.

Thanks! 
Maureen Murray Webb


-----Original Message-----
From: Beth Burke <mackzie at tds.net>
To: BruceB2332 at aol.com; ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Sent: Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1



There is a Braun family that arrived at Ellis Island on May 25, 1900.
lthough it's difficult to read Michael's (it's actually translated Miholy)
ame, Mathilda, Gottlieb and Julia are clearly listed under what I believe
s probably Michael's name.  They arrived on the SS Pennsylvania, having
ailed from Hamburg.  The city listed as their last place of residence is
obelka.  It looks like Michael was 45 years old, Mathilda was 44 years old,
ulia was 17 years old and Gottlieb was 11 months old.  It looks like they
ad approximately $200 (hard to read), and lists a contact/relative
erdinand Dopes (also very hard to read).
OK, now here's where this all peaks my curiosity.  It lists their final
estination as Gillett, Wisconsin.  This is where my relatives settled after
hey arrived from the Lublin area of Poland.  Their names - Gustav and
ertha Friedrich (Fredrick) and they arrived at Ellis in 1904, went to
educ, Alberta, Canada, and then back to Gillett, Wisconsin.
Anxious to hear from you....
Beth
ackzie at earthlink.net
erona, WI
-----Original Message-----
rom: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of
ruceB2332 at aol.com
ent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 4:48 PM
o: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
ubject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 78, Issue

cAN ANYONE SEND ME INFORMATION ON MIKE BROWN OR bRAUN,, AND MATHILDA Brown 
r Braun?  They came throguh ellis island wuth two children. Gottlieb and 
ulia.
ometime after 1900.
Sorry I caN;T GUVE ANY MORE INFORMATION THAN THAT.  THEY ARRIVED IN AMERICA 
RONM POLAND AND SETTLED IN UNDERHILL, WISCONSIN.  THEY HAD A TOTAL OF 22 
HILDREN, BUT20OF THEM DIED IN POLAND OF A PLAGUE THAT TOOKJ PLACE.  THEY
AD 
Y GREAT UNCLE, FRED BRAUN, HERE IN AMERICA.
ANY INFORMATION AT ALL WOULD BE GREATLY APRECIATED.
SINCERELY, 
WOFWAAORE BERUCE W. BRAUN.
ARTFORD, QWISCONSIN.
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From gary at warnerengineering.com  Mon Nov  2 16:09:35 2009
From: gary at warnerengineering.com (Gary Warner)
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:09:35 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Reply to e-mails
In-Reply-To: <000501ca5c07$6983c410$3c8b4c30$@net>
References: <000501ca5c07$6983c410$3c8b4c30$@net>
Message-ID: <4AEF74BF.40605@warnerengineering.com>

Nelson,

Ask your question in a different way, as I do not understand what you 
are asking.   What is not happening that you think should be happening?

Gary Warner

Nelson Itterman wrote:
> Hello all, my computer is not sending reply's on my e-mail. Anybody have any
> ideas?
>
> Nelson
>
>
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From gary at warnerengineering.com  Mon Nov  2 16:55:34 2009
From: gary at warnerengineering.com (Gary Warner)
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:55:34 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 78,
 Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <008e01ca5b4f$c3969490$4ac3bdb0$@net>
References: <d0d.63d2d8ec.381f6a2d@aol.com>
	<008e01ca5b4f$c3969490$4ac3bdb0$@net>
Message-ID: <4AEF7F86.4080100@warnerengineering.com>

Beth,

Did Berta Friedrich have the maiden name Guenther or Guenter?  If so, 
then they are in the SGGEE Master Pedigree Database.

Gary Warner



Beth Burke wrote:
> There is a Braun family that arrived at Ellis Island on May 25, 1900.
> Although it's difficult to read Michael's (it's actually translated Miholy)
> name, Mathilda, Gottlieb and Julia are clearly listed under what I believe
> is probably Michael's name.  They arrived on the SS Pennsylvania, having
> sailed from Hamburg.  The city listed as their last place of residence is
> Kobelka.  It looks like Michael was 45 years old, Mathilda was 44 years old,
> Julia was 17 years old and Gottlieb was 11 months old.  It looks like they
> had approximately $200 (hard to read), and lists a contact/relative
> Ferdinand Dopes (also very hard to read).
>
> OK, now here's where this all peaks my curiosity.  It lists their final
> destination as Gillett, Wisconsin.  This is where my relatives settled after
> they arrived from the Lublin area of Poland.  Their names - Gustav and
> Bertha Friedrich (Fredrick) and they arrived at Ellis in 1904, went to
> Leduc, Alberta, Canada, and then back to Gillett, Wisconsin.
>
> Anxious to hear from you....
>
> Beth
> mackzie at earthlink.net
> Verona, WI
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
> [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of
> BruceB2332 at aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 4:48 PM
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 78, Issue
> 1
>
> cAN ANYONE SEND ME INFORMATION ON MIKE BROWN OR bRAUN,, AND MATHILDA Brown 
> or Braun?  They came throguh ellis island wuth two children. Gottlieb and 
> Julia.
> sometime after 1900.
>
> Sorry I caN;T GUVE ANY MORE INFORMATION THAN THAT.  THEY ARRIVED IN AMERICA 
> FRONM POLAND AND SETTLED IN UNDERHILL, WISCONSIN.  THEY HAD A TOTAL OF 22 
> CHILDREN, BUT20OF THEM DIED IN POLAND OF A PLAGUE THAT TOOKJ PLACE.  THEY
> HAD 
> MY GREAT UNCLE, FRED BRAUN, HERE IN AMERICA.
>
> ANY INFORMATION AT ALL WOULD BE GREATLY APRECIATED.
>
> SINCERELY, 
> PWOFWAAORE BERUCE W. BRAUN.
> HARTFORD, QWISCONSIN.
>
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From Krampetz at aol.com  Mon Nov  2 20:33:32 2009
From: Krampetz at aol.com (Krampetz@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:33:32 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Reply to e-mails
Message-ID: <cf9.66a3a0ec.38210c9c@aol.com>

Are you saying that your outgoing emails,  do NOT have the person you  are
answering - email below?  (Like your's is below, here in my  email)
 
This is usually an option of your email program.   I can't even  guess how 
you can set that option as you need to describe WHAT email program 
you are using..
 
Or are you wondering why your computer doesn't reply to you when you
send an e-mail??    that doesn't make much  sense!?   ;-b
 
Bob K.
 
 
In a message dated 11/2/2009 3:01:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
colnels at telus.net writes:

Hello  all, my computer is not sending reply's on my e-mail. Anybody have  
any
ideas?

Nelson



From Birgit.jenning at web.de  Thu Nov  5 05:01:46 2009
From: Birgit.jenning at web.de (Birgit)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:01:46 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] =?iso-8859-15?q?Balkau=2C_Kr=FCger=2C_Mache?=
 =?iso-8859-15?q?l=2C_M=FCller=2C_Behrend=2C_Mejer_and_Sokolowski_in_Maria?=
 =?iso-8859-15?q?nowo_in_the_Pultusk_area__near_river_Narew?=
Message-ID: <op.u2xag8wuejzlpe@softwirt>

Dear members,

please excuse my poor English!

My ancestors were German farmers in Poland near the river Narew and the  
Russian border - 65 kilometres NNE from Warsaw. They lived there in  
Marianowo and some other small german settlements(all founded around  
1840)in the area of Pultusk and had their own evang.-augsburg. confession,  
school and church. Many years ago the came from - may be - Mecklenburg or  
Holstein - to have a better easier life in Poland. When - I don`t know.  
Where can I get informations from where my family comes from? The births  
registration in the evang.-luth. church of Pultusk starts at 1843. Where  
can I find older informations?

I`m looking for two family members:
1.August Kr?ger, the father of my grandfather, born in 1870 in Marianowo,  
Poland, immigrated to USA between 1904 and 1914 via ship. He was married  
in Poland and had two little children. We don`t know anything about his  
trip(ship name, harbour...). He died in the USA before 1945.

2.An aunt maiden name was Balkau, also born in Poland. She immigrated to  
Northern America too but later I think (before 1944). She was searched in  
the USA unsuccesfully. Now I think, that she could also had lived in  
Kanada.

Thank you so much!
Regards. Birgit








From joepessarra at suddenlink.net  Thu Nov  5 12:04:00 2009
From: joepessarra at suddenlink.net (joepessarra)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:04:00 -0600
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_=5BGer-Poland-Volhynia=5D_Balkau=2C_Kr=FCger=2C_Mach?=
	=?iso-8859-1?Q?el=2C_M=FCller=2C_Behrend=2C_Mejer_and_Sokolowski_in_Maria?=
	=?iso-8859-1?Q?nowo_in_the_Pultusk_area__near_river_Narew?=
In-Reply-To: <op.u2xag8wuejzlpe@softwirt>
References: <op.u2xag8wuejzlpe@softwirt>
Message-ID: <000301ca5e53$1d8125a0$588370e0$@net>

Birgit,

Your English is good.  Could this be your Krueger?

First Name: August 
Last Name: Kruger 
Ethnicity: German 
Last Place of Residence: Bialistok, Russia 
Date of Arrival: Mar 04, 1914 
Age at Arrival:  42y    Gender:  M    Marital Status:  M   
Ship of Travel: Kaiser Wilhelm II 
Port of Departure: Bremen 
Manifest Line Number: 0006 

The manifest shows that his wife's name is Pauline, but she was not with
him.

Good luck on your search.

Joe in Texas, USA
PESSARRA, CONRADY, SCHUSTER, BEER

-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Birgit
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 7:02 AM
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Balkau, Kr?ger, Machel, M?ller, Behrend,
Mejer and Sokolowski in Marianowo in the Pultusk area near river Narew

Dear members,

please excuse my poor English!

My ancestors were German farmers in Poland near the river Narew and the  
Russian border - 65 kilometres NNE from Warsaw. They lived there in  
Marianowo and some other small german settlements(all founded around  
1840)in the area of Pultusk and had their own evang.-augsburg. confession,  
school and church. Many years ago the came from - may be - Mecklenburg or  
Holstein - to have a better easier life in Poland. When - I don`t know.  
Where can I get informations from where my family comes from? The births  
registration in the evang.-luth. church of Pultusk starts at 1843. Where  
can I find older informations?

I`m looking for two family members:
1.August Kr?ger, the father of my grandfather, born in 1870 in Marianowo,  
Poland, immigrated to USA between 1904 and 1914 via ship. He was married  
in Poland and had two little children. We don`t know anything about his  
trip(ship name, harbour...). He died in the USA before 1945.

2.An aunt maiden name was Balkau, also born in Poland. She immigrated to  
Northern America too but later I think (before 1944). She was searched in  
the USA unsuccesfully. Now I think, that she could also had lived in  
Kanada.

Thank you so much!
Regards. Birgit








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From ggomes at soundviewnet.com  Thu Nov  5 14:52:11 2009
From: ggomes at soundviewnet.com (Gary Gomes)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:52:11 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lema, Poland
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1257451204.24170.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
References: <mailman.1.1257451204.24170.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID: <B5F4A1C8BFC24BD7A9951F2BC5F2DEF3@GARY>

My great uncle Rudolf Pries was born in 1886 and migrated to Canada in 1910
after discharge from the Russian army.

Family oral history holds his place of birth as Lema, Poland, but I am
unable to identify a city/village of that name.

My grandmother (Rudolf's sister born 1901) always had said she was from the
"Lublin area" although records seem to indicate they were in the Lutsk area
by about 1906.

Can anyone help me locate Lema?

Gary 





From joepessarra at suddenlink.net  Thu Nov  5 18:05:12 2009
From: joepessarra at suddenlink.net (joepessarra)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:05:12 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lema, Poland
In-Reply-To: <B5F4A1C8BFC24BD7A9951F2BC5F2DEF3@GARY>
References: <mailman.1.1257451204.24170.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
	<B5F4A1C8BFC24BD7A9951F2BC5F2DEF3@GARY>
Message-ID: <000301ca5e85$93166460$b9432d20$@net>

ShtetlSeeker at http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp   has the
following possibilities, both in Russia:

Lema populated place 58?04' N 50?52' E  E M U G Russia  523.6 miles ENE of
Moskva 55?45' N 37?37' E

Lema, Malaya Lema, Pieni Lema populated place 60?47' N 36?23' E  E M U G
Russia  350.4 miles N of Moskva 55?45' N 37?37' E

There are also 4 streams with that name in Russia.

Lutsk is in the Ukraine.

Luts?k, Luck seat of a first-order administrative division 50?45' N 25?20' E
E M U G Ukraine  228.2 miles W of Kyyiv 50?26' N 30?31' E

Let me know directly if you have a problem using ShtetlSeeker.  Not much
help, but good luck.

Joe in Texas

-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Gary
Gomes
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 4:52 PM
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lema, Poland

My great uncle Rudolf Pries was born in 1886 and migrated to Canada in 1910
after discharge from the Russian army.

Family oral history holds his place of birth as Lema, Poland, but I am
unable to identify a city/village of that name.

My grandmother (Rudolf's sister born 1901) always had said she was from the
"Lublin area" although records seem to indicate they were in the Lutsk area
by about 1906.

Can anyone help me locate Lema?

Gary 





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From roseingram at shaw.ca  Thu Nov  5 18:27:50 2009
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:27:50 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lema, Poland
References: <mailman.1.1257451204.24170.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
	<B5F4A1C8BFC24BD7A9951F2BC5F2DEF3@GARY>
Message-ID: <000b01ca5e88$bce61940$6601a8c0@duocore>

Gary,

Have you looked for Rudolf on the 1911 Canada Census?  

Have you looked for him on any ship manifest?

Rose Ingram

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gary Gomes 
  To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
  Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 2:52 PM
  Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lema, Poland


  My great uncle Rudolf Pries was born in 1886 and migrated to Canada in 1910
  after discharge from the Russian army.

  Family oral history holds his place of birth as Lema, Poland, but I am
  unable to identify a city/village of that name.

  My grandmother (Rudolf's sister born 1901) always had said she was from the
  "Lublin area" although records seem to indicate they were in the Lutsk area
  by about 1906.

  Can anyone help me locate Lema?

  Gary 





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From dabookk54 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  5 18:41:42 2009
From: dabookk54 at yahoo.com (Karl Krueger)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:41:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lema, Poland
In-Reply-To: <B5F4A1C8BFC24BD7A9951F2BC5F2DEF3@GARY>
Message-ID: <947336.35126.qm@web55307.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Lema would not appear to be in the Lublin area - at least certainly not a German colony.

--- On Thu, 11/5/09, Gary Gomes <ggomes at soundviewnet.com> wrote:

From: Gary Gomes <ggomes at soundviewnet.com>
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lema, Poland
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 5:52 PM

My great uncle Rudolf Pries was born in 1886 and migrated to Canada in 1910
after discharge from the Russian army.

Family oral history holds his place of birth as Lema, Poland, but I am
unable to identify a city/village of that name.

My grandmother (Rudolf's sister born 1901) always had said she was from the
"Lublin area" although records seem to indicate they were in the Lutsk area
by about 1906.

Can anyone help me locate Lema?

Gary 





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From FoxeGenie at aol.com  Sat Nov  7 13:53:51 2009
From: FoxeGenie at aol.com (FoxeGenie@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:53:51 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ruskolenki-Pechratka-Nowy Borek-Paproc Duza
Message-ID: <caf.539622de.3827466f@aol.com>

 
This is my 1st post, listing some of my family who were born and lived in  
Ruskoleki, Pechratka, Nowy Borek, Paproc Duza (Konigshuld). I have the 
village  plan showing residents of Paproc Duza & Mala and also the village plan 
of  Srebrny-Borek. I am looking for a village plan for Pechratka.
 
My family and some names I am researching are  Strandt, Strand, Szrant, 
Spitz,  Steinmeyer, Koeber, Wink, Plazick/Platzig, Kruger, Krause, Fehlberg,  
Rinas, Dressel, Gyssyng, Wildemann, Martens, Britsch, Hafeman, Schutz. My 
"Strandt" family were German Lutherans who mostly immigrated  from about 1890s 
to abt. 1922 and settled in NY, Newark New Jersey and the  surrounding 
suburbs.
 
I am looking for ties and family of my G-Grandfather Alexander Strandt,  
born 1867 who married G-Grandmother Anna Plazick/Platzig, his sister 
Wilhelmina  Strandt, born 1870 who marr. Gottlieb Stienmyer (1st born Augusta born 
1892  before immigrating), his brother Friedrich Strandt, born 1859 and wife 
Helen  Koeber immigrated in 1922 from Nowy Borek. Friedrich's son Johann 
Strand marr.  Minnie Wink. Her father was Ludwig Wink. Friedrick's daughter 
Helena (imm.  1912) married Alexander Strandt's son John Alexander Strandt (1st 
cousin  marriage). Other sons of Friedrich Strandt are: Wilhelm  & Edward. 
Wilhelm marr. Mathilde (possibly Gyssyng/Gissing) with  children Olga, Emma 
and Arthur. Edward married Johanna Dressel whose  Naturalization records 
involve Sigmund Winkel, Siegmund Penk and August Schultz  as witnesses. Probable 
relative Carl Strandt (28) and wife Emilie Strandt  (17) immigrated from 
Ostrowski in 1898 with friends Ludwig Schutz (24) and  Emilie Schutz (15) but 
I do not know what became of Carl and Emilie  Strandt.
 
My G-Grandfather Alexander Strandt's parents Teodor (Theodor) Strandt  and 
Fryderyka Malgorzata Spitz, married in 1851 were found by Carol Burns  in 
the Paproc records. Alexander born 16 April 1867 in Ruskolenki, with  
witnesses Jan Wildemann and Dawid Martens. Godparents: Jan Wildemann and Suzanna  
Spitz. A later film (1923) shows a marriage of Robert Aleksander  Fehlberg to 
Leopoldina Emilia Strand. Leopoldina is listed as daughter of  Ferdinand 
Strand and  Rozina Rinas. Looking for more information on  Fehlberg, Ferdinand 
Strand and Rinas. 
 
The Spitz family: Leopold (born abt. 1885) and wife Augusta Spitz were  
witnesses for my G-Grandfather's 2nd marriage to Martha Kruger (nee  Krause).  
Brothers to Leopold were Edward and Christian. Family were from  Pechratka. 
Julius Spitz (nephew to Leopold) born 1895 married Clara  Britsch. Julius 
had a brother Ludwig Spitz and a sister Albertina who married a  UNKNOWN 
Hafeman.  Leopold, daughter Elsie and niece Olga went back to the  old Country 
and are found immigrating back in 1938. I am looking to tie these  Spitz to my 
GG-Grandmother Fryderyka Spitz.
 
I am looking for more information about my family and villages and I would  
like to correspond with anybody with the names in their family or about the 
 villages before I look at microfilm. There are many locations I can't 
find:  Ostrowski, Smolee, Szimall, Grzymain and Grzcinski. Any help would be  
appreciated. I have recently become a member of SGGEE and am looking  for 
member contact and suggestions on best usage of the SGGEE site.
 
Regards, 
Geneen Giberson


From Krampetz at aol.com  Sat Nov  7 14:56:32 2009
From: Krampetz at aol.com (Krampetz@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 17:56:32 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ruskolenki-Pechratka-Nowy Borek-Paproc
	Duza
Message-ID: <cf7.65d78726.38275520@aol.com>

I'm sorry,  I don't have anything for you..  But I do have a  question,   
where did
you find village plans with residents?   and of what year(s)  were they?
 
I have a hand drawn map of Barany (7km SW of Lipno) about 1934,  and  would 
love
to see one of the late 1800's, and one or two other villages. 
 
 
In a message dated 11/7/2009 1:56:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
FoxeGenie at aol.com writes:


This  is my 1st post, listing some of my family who were born and lived in  
 
Ruskoleki, Pechratka, Nowy Borek, Paproc Duza (Konigshuld). I have the  
village  plan showing residents of Paproc Duza & Mala and also  the village 
plan 
of  Srebrny-Borek. I am looking for a village plan  for Pechratka.

My family and some names I am researching are   Strandt, Strand, Szrant, 
Spitz,  Steinmeyer, Koeber, Wink,  Plazick/Platzig, Kruger, Krause, 
Fehlberg,  
Rinas, Dressel, Gyssyng,  Wildemann, Martens, Britsch, Hafeman, Schutz. My 
"Strandt" family were  German Lutherans who mostly immigrated  from about 
1890s 
to abt. 1922  and settled in NY, Newark New Jersey and the  surrounding  
suburbs.

I am looking for ties and family of my G-Grandfather  Alexander Strandt,  
born 1867 who married G-Grandmother Anna  Plazick/Platzig, his sister 
Wilhelmina  Strandt, born 1870 who marr.  Gottlieb Stienmyer (1st born 
Augusta born 
1892  before immigrating),  his brother Friedrich Strandt, born 1859 and 
wife 
Helen  Koeber  immigrated in 1922 from Nowy Borek. Friedrich's son Johann 
Strand  marr.  Minnie Wink. Her father was Ludwig Wink. Friedrick's 
daughter  
Helena (imm.  1912) married Alexander Strandt's son John Alexander  Strandt 
(1st 
cousin  marriage). Other sons of Friedrich Strandt are:  Wilhelm  & Edward. 
Wilhelm marr. Mathilde (possibly  Gyssyng/Gissing) with  children Olga, 
Emma 
and Arthur. Edward married  Johanna Dressel whose  Naturalization records 
involve Sigmund Winkel,  Siegmund Penk and August Schultz  as witnesses. 
Probable 
relative  Carl Strandt (28) and wife Emilie Strandt  (17) immigrated from  
Ostrowski in 1898 with friends Ludwig Schutz (24) and  Emilie Schutz  (15) 
but 
I do not know what became of Carl and Emilie   Strandt.

My G-Grandfather Alexander Strandt's parents Teodor (Theodor)  Strandt  and 
Fryderyka Malgorzata Spitz, married in 1851 were found  by Carol Burns  in 
the Paproc records. Alexander born 16 April 1867  in Ruskolenki, with  
witnesses Jan Wildemann and Dawid Martens.  Godparents: Jan Wildemann and 
Suzanna  
Spitz. A later film (1923)  shows a marriage of Robert Aleksander  Fehlberg 
to 
Leopoldina Emilia  Strand. Leopoldina is listed as daughter of  Ferdinand 
Strand  and  Rozina Rinas. Looking for more information on  Fehlberg,  
Ferdinand 
Strand and Rinas. 

The Spitz family: Leopold (born abt.  1885) and wife Augusta Spitz were  
witnesses for my G-Grandfather's  2nd marriage to Martha Kruger (nee  
Krause).  
Brothers to  Leopold were Edward and Christian. Family were from  
Pechratka.  
Julius Spitz (nephew to Leopold) born 1895 married Clara  Britsch.  Julius 
had a brother Ludwig Spitz and a sister Albertina who married  a  UNKNOWN 
Hafeman.  Leopold, daughter Elsie and niece Olga went  back to the  old 
Country 
and are found immigrating back in 1938. I am  looking to tie these  Spitz 
to my 
GG-Grandmother Fryderyka  Spitz.

I am looking for more information about my family and villages  and I would 
 
like to correspond with anybody with the names in their  family or about 
the 
villages before I look at microfilm. There are many  locations I can't 
find:  Ostrowski, Smolee, Szimall, Grzymain and  Grzcinski. Any help would 
be  
appreciated. I have recently become a  member of SGGEE and am looking  for 
member contact and suggestions on  best usage of the SGGEE site.

Regards, 
Geneen  Giberson


From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Sun Nov  8 05:59:03 2009
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:59:03 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ruskolenki-Pechratka-Nowy Borek-Paproc
 Duza
In-Reply-To: <caf.539622de.3827466f@aol.com>
References: <caf.539622de.3827466f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7v49g6$6c99et@pd2mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca>

Geneen,

I can't help with family names but will have a go at some of the 
places.  At the moment I am assuming these are from family lore.  If 
they come from documents, it may help to know what type of documents they are.

Smolee is probably Smolewo.  There are Smolewo Wies and Smolewo 
Parcele about 16 km SE of Paproc Duza.

Szimall may be a different spelling for Smolewo.  There is Szmulowka 
on the north side of the Bug River roughly 18 km west of Smolewo but 
I am less inclined to think that is correct.

Grzymain is probably Grzymaly about 8 km NNE of Paproc Duza.

I can't find a good match for Grzcinski.  There is 
Przezdziecko-Grzymki about 8 km E of Paproc Duza but that guess is a 
bit of a stretch for me.

Ostrowski - There are numerous Ostrow and variants throughout Poland 
though none with that specific spelling.  If it is in context with 
all the other places, my best guess is that it refers to the large 
town of Ostrow Mazowiecka which is 18 km SW of Paproc Duze.


Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca




At 02:53 PM 07/11/2009, FoxeGenie at aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
>I am looking for more information about my family and villages and I would
>like to correspond with anybody with the names in their family or about the
>  villages before I look at microfilm. There are many locations I can't
>find:  Ostrowski, Smolee, Szimall, Grzymain and Grzcinski. Any help would be
>appreciated. I have recently become a member of SGGEE and am looking  for
>member contact and suggestions on best usage of the SGGEE site.
>
>Regards,
>Geneen Giberson
>


From colnels at telus.net  Tue Nov 10 16:57:18 2009
From: colnels at telus.net (Nelson Itterman)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:57:18 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Silence
Message-ID: <000001ca6269$ec5bd590$c51380b0$@net>

I haven't had an e-mail in two days. I wonder if there is something wrong
with my computer.

Do you want to give me a call?

Nelson


From mail at reiner-kerp.de  Wed Nov 11 09:30:24 2009
From: mail at reiner-kerp.de (Reiner Kerp)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:30:24 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Silence
References: <000001ca6269$ec5bd590$c51380b0$@net>
Message-ID: <D7CC155DA2B146868AAB226F829DDD4D@Kerp>

archived messages are here:

http://eclipse.sggee.org/pipermail/ger-poland-volhynia/2009-November/date.html

>I haven't had an e-mail in two days. I wonder if there is something
> wrong with my computer.
>
> Do you want to give me a call?
>
> Nelson

yours is the latest


Best regards,

Reiner 


From farose at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 10:13:33 2009
From: farose at gmail.com (F&RM Haddad)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:13:33 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lawo = Mlawa?
Message-ID: <d813c1fb0911121013t5b92fd77nd58a76133f2edeff@mail.gmail.com>

I've been looking at some EWZ indices online, and think I may have come
across an ancestor. My present information says that he was born in Mlawa.
The info on the EWZ Index has someone of the same name born in "Lawo". Might
they be one and the same place, with 2 different names? I didn't find a Lawo
in Shtetl-Seeker.

Thank-you in advance for any help/advice.

Regards,
Rose-Marie

From dabookk54 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 12 11:40:25 2009
From: dabookk54 at yahoo.com (Karl Krueger)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:40:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lawo = Mlawa?
In-Reply-To: <d813c1fb0911121013t5b92fd77nd58a76133f2edeff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <740686.89416.qm@web55305.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Rose-Marie,
With EWZ you have to know the context of how this location is being cited. If it is the person who is filing through EWZ then that birth location is likely to be accurate. If this is in reference to a parent (probably deceased) of someone filing through EWZ then it might not be from offical records but instead could likely the applicant stating what they remember of their parents' births. Often this can be fragmentary or overly general information which can be somewhat misleading.

Would you expect this person to be alive in 1940-1945?
Karl

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, F&RM Haddad <farose at gmail.com> wrote:

From: F&RM Haddad <farose at gmail.com>
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lawo = Mlawa?
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 1:13 PM

I've been looking at some EWZ indices online, and think I may have come
across an ancestor. My present information says that he was born in Mlawa.
The info on the EWZ Index has someone of the same name born in "Lawo". Might
they be one and the same place, with 2 different names? I didn't find a Lawo
in Shtetl-Seeker.

Thank-you in advance for any help/advice.

Regards,
Rose-Marie

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From wmfife at telus.net  Thu Nov 12 11:56:30 2009
From: wmfife at telus.net (Bill Fife)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:56:30 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lawo = Mlawa?
References: <740686.89416.qm@web55305.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <10B3C5FA2BEB4935935887604F405BDF@BillsXPS>

I agree with Karl,

I have found many instances in the EWZ files where the information is 
incorrect where it applies to someone other then the applicant, such as 
parents or siblings.  The applicant probably has no records with them and is 
giving their best guess.

Bill


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karl Krueger" <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>; "F&RM Haddad" 
<farose at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lawo = Mlawa?


> Rose-Marie,
> With EWZ you have to know the context of how this location is being cited. 
> If it is the person who is filing through EWZ then that birth location is 
> likely to be accurate. If this is in reference to a parent (probably 
> deceased) of someone filing through EWZ then it might not be from offical 
> records but instead could likely the applicant stating what they remember 
> of their parents' births. Often this can be fragmentary or overly general 
> information which can be somewhat misleading.
>
> Would you expect this person to be alive in 1940-1945?
> Karl
>
> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, F&RM Haddad <farose at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: F&RM Haddad <farose at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lawo = Mlawa?
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 1:13 PM
>
> I've been looking at some EWZ indices online, and think I may have come
> across an ancestor. My present information says that he was born in Mlawa.
> The info on the EWZ Index has someone of the same name born in "Lawo". 
> Might
> they be one and the same place, with 2 different names? I didn't find a 
> Lawo
> in Shtetl-Seeker.
>
> Thank-you in advance for any help/advice.
>
> Regards,
> Rose-Marie
>
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From gary at warnerengineering.com  Thu Nov 12 12:15:49 2009
From: gary at warnerengineering.com (Gary Warner)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:15:49 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lawo = Mlawa?
In-Reply-To: <10B3C5FA2BEB4935935887604F405BDF@BillsXPS>
References: <740686.89416.qm@web55305.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
	<10B3C5FA2BEB4935935887604F405BDF@BillsXPS>
Message-ID: <4AFC6CF5.4010900@warnerengineering.com>

To all,

The other thing to consider is that the EWZ records were all typed with 
a manual typewriter.   It is possible that the person typing simply 
missed hitting the M key hard enough to register, or perhaps it is 
there, but very faint.   If the typewriter was worn, an "o" could 
possibly also be read where an "a" was typed.   Look at the original 
record and convince yourself that the record says what was extracted.

Gary Warner


Bill Fife wrote:
> I agree with Karl,
>
> I have found many instances in the EWZ files where the information is 
> incorrect where it applies to someone other then the applicant, such as 
> parents or siblings.  The applicant probably has no records with them and is 
> giving their best guess.
>
> Bill
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Karl Krueger" <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>; "F&RM Haddad" 
> <farose at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lawo = Mlawa?
>
>
>   
>> Rose-Marie,
>> With EWZ you have to know the context of how this location is being cited. 
>> If it is the person who is filing through EWZ then that birth location is 
>> likely to be accurate. If this is in reference to a parent (probably 
>> deceased) of someone filing through EWZ then it might not be from offical 
>> records but instead could likely the applicant stating what they remember 
>> of their parents' births. Often this can be fragmentary or overly general 
>> information which can be somewhat misleading.
>>
>> Would you expect this person to be alive in 1940-1945?
>> Karl
>>
>> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, F&RM Haddad <farose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: F&RM Haddad <farose at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lawo = Mlawa?
>> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 1:13 PM
>>
>> I've been looking at some EWZ indices online, and think I may have come
>> across an ancestor. My present information says that he was born in Mlawa.
>> The info on the EWZ Index has someone of the same name born in "Lawo". 
>> Might
>> they be one and the same place, with 2 different names? I didn't find a 
>> Lawo
>> in Shtetl-Seeker.
>>
>> Thank-you in advance for any help/advice.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rose-Marie
>>
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From dabookk54 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 12 15:31:37 2009
From: dabookk54 at yahoo.com (Karl Krueger)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:31:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lawo = Mlawa?
In-Reply-To: <4AFC6CF5.4010900@warnerengineering.com>
Message-ID: <748909.28731.qm@web55307.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Yes, Gary has a good point too. If the typewriter ribbon was getting pale these kinds of errors in reading are feasible, especially by an extractor entering data on the computer and not paying close attention to this detail like Rose-Marie would do. But Gary's suggestion also points out to me how close Mlawa and Lawo are and certainly the EWZ applicant could have pulled out this fragmentary information from way back. Our German ancestors were usually not so preoccupied with maintaining their genealogical history so this person's memory could have pulled out part of the name as bet as he/she could remember. I see plenty of this in EWZ. If you want a good source of imaginary locations you only have to look in EWZ.
Karl

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Gary Warner <gary at warnerengineering.com> wrote:

From: Gary Warner <gary at warnerengineering.com>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lawo = Mlawa?
To: "Bill Fife" <wmfife at telus.net>
Cc: "Karl Krueger" <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>, ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org, "F&RM Haddad" <farose at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 3:15 PM




  
To all,



The other thing to consider is that the EWZ records were all typed with
a manual typewriter.?? It is possible that the person typing simply
missed hitting the M key hard enough to register, or perhaps it is
there, but very faint.?? If the typewriter was worn, an "o" could
possibly also be read where an "a" was typed.?? Look at the original
record and convince yourself that the record says what was extracted.



Gary Warner





Bill Fife wrote:

  I agree with Karl,

I have found many instances in the EWZ files where the information is 
incorrect where it applies to someone other then the applicant, such as 
parents or siblings.  The applicant probably has no records with them and is 
giving their best guess.

Bill


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karl Krueger" <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>; "F&RM Haddad" 
<farose at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lawo = Mlawa?


  
  
    Rose-Marie,
With EWZ you have to know the context of how this location is being cited. 
If it is the person who is filing through EWZ then that birth location is 
likely to be accurate. If this is in reference to a parent (probably 
deceased) of someone filing through EWZ then it might not be from offical 
records but instead could likely the applicant stating what they remember 
of their parents' births. Often this can be fragmentary or overly general 
information which can be somewhat misleading.

Would you expect this person to be alive in 1940-1945?
Karl

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, F&RM Haddad <farose at gmail.com> wrote:

From: F&RM Haddad <farose at gmail.com>
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lawo = Mlawa?
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 1:13 PM

I've been looking at some EWZ indices online, and think I may have come
across an ancestor. My present information says that he was born in Mlawa.
The info on the EWZ Index has someone of the same name born in "Lawo". 
Might
they be one and the same place, with 2 different names? I didn't find a 
Lawo
in Shtetl-Seeker.

Thank-you in advance for any help/advice.

Regards,
Rose-Marie

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From Krampetz at aol.com  Thu Nov 12 20:44:52 2009
From: Krampetz at aol.com (Krampetz@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:44:52 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
Message-ID: <ccb.5adafc08.382e3e44@aol.com>

As a newbie to genealogy,  I'd noted "EWZ" mentioned a few  times,
but kept thinking it was EZA  (the Berlin documents center)..   but
curiosity got me searching for EWZ and I'm overwhelmed with 
too many 'hits' via google. 
 
I did see that Mennonites have taken their subset of names, and there
is a US center where research and microfilms are available.
But I thought I saw someone mention finding online data in EWZ?
Am I misunderstanding what I can find in EWZ online?  Is any of  their
records online?
 
Bob K.
 
 
In a message dated 11/12/2009 3:36:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
dabookk54 at yahoo.com writes:

I see  plenty of this in EWZ. If you want a good source of imaginary 
locations you  only have to look in EWZ.



From daveobee at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 12 22:08:26 2009
From: daveobee at shaw.ca (Dave Obee)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:08:26 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
In-Reply-To: <ccb.5adafc08.382e3e44@aol.com>
References: <ccb.5adafc08.382e3e44@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d3dded105c551.4afc875a@shaw.ca>

A fair bit of info is here:

http://volhynia.com/ewzmain.html

Dave Obee

----- Original Message -----
From: Krampetz at aol.com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009 20:48
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org

> As a newbie to genealogy,? I'd noted "EWZ" mentioned a 
> few? times,
> but kept thinking it was EZA? (the Berlin documents 
> center)..?? but
> curiosity got me searching for EWZ and I'm overwhelmed with 
> too many 'hits' via google. 
> ?
> I did see that Mennonites have taken their subset of names, and there
> is a US center where research and microfilms are available.
> But I thought I saw someone mention finding online data in EWZ?
> Am I misunderstanding what I can find in EWZ online?? Is 
> any of? their
> records online?
> ?
> Bob K.
> ?
> ?
> In a message dated 11/12/2009 3:36:14 P.M. Pacific Standard 
> Time,? 
> dabookk54 at yahoo.com writes:
> 
> I see? plenty of this in EWZ. If you want a good source of 
> imaginary 
> locations you? only have to look in EWZ.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From dabookk54 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 13 05:40:10 2009
From: dabookk54 at yahoo.com (Karl Krueger)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:40:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
In-Reply-To: <ccb.5adafc08.382e3e44@aol.com>
Message-ID: <623222.94829.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Dave's website on EWZ does a great job describing what these records and where you can find them. There are several places online that has different sets of data from EWZ. 

1) The Odessa Digital Library has almost the entire EWZ50 collection included in their database. Since you are an SGGEE member you can look at my article in the September 2008 issue to see how to use that database search tool effectively.

2) Galiziengermandescdants has a database of around 40,000-50,000 names taken from EWZ. Those names come from many different places so it is hard to predict who might be in there. They probably center chiefly on Galicia but many other names elsewhere are found.
http://www.galiziengermandescendants.org/

3) The SGGEE MPD right now has around 12,000 names from the Lublin region in it. Those would show up with the source as SGGEE008r4. Sometime in the future this will be increased to around 25,000 names. So if you are interested in the Lublin region you are in luck and should probably be talking with me.
Karl

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Krampetz at aol.com <Krampetz at aol.com> wrote:

From: Krampetz at aol.com <Krampetz at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 11:44 PM

As a newbie to genealogy,? I'd noted "EWZ" mentioned a few? times,
but kept thinking it was EZA? (the Berlin documents center)..???but
curiosity got me searching for EWZ and I'm overwhelmed with 
too many 'hits' via google. 
 
I did see that Mennonites have taken their subset of names, and there
is a US center where research and microfilms are available.
But I thought I saw someone mention finding online data in EWZ?
Am I misunderstanding what I can find in EWZ online?? Is any of? their
records online?
 
Bob K.
 
 
In a message dated 11/12/2009 3:36:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,? 
dabookk54 at yahoo.com writes:

I see? plenty of this in EWZ. If you want a good source of imaginary 
locations you? only have to look in EWZ.



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From Hannes.Werner at online.de  Sat Nov 14 06:34:48 2009
From: Hannes.Werner at online.de (Hannes Werner)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:34:48 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
References: <ccb.5adafc08.382e3e44@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003101ca6537$9f1dd6e0$f800a8c0@end2000>

Hello Bob,

here is the promised transcription of the second Krampitz-document

Krampitz, Gottlieb, resid. (1939) Kolonie Nowosiolek, Krs. Chelm, evang.
*1859 Neudorf/Warschau, + 17.10.1915 Kobrin ?
oo1883 Kamin/Chelm
Emilie Kohn or Kolm, *1863 Neudorf/W., + 10.06.1919 Kol. Hendryszyn, evang.
10 children (names, dates and marr.)
parents:
Georg Krampitz, * Neudorf, + Neudorf
Pauline NN., * Neudorf, + Nowosiolek
Adolf Kolm ?, * Neudorf, + 1907 Kamin/Chelm
NN          ,                       , + 1893 Kamin/Chelm

information about ancestor:
Georg Krampitz, farmer with 90 ha property, emigr. from Bavaria/Germany to 
Neudorf/Pol.

I will send information about children by private mail.

Hannes W.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Krampetz at aol.com>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ




From Hannes.Werner at online.de  Sat Nov 14 07:21:25 2009
From: Hannes.Werner at online.de (Hannes Werner)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:21:25 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
References: <623222.94829.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003b01ca653e$21f12530$f800a8c0@end2000>

Hello Karl,

in addition to your information about EWZ: there is some more and often more 
detailed information available by other documents of the DAI.
This archival fonds (DAI) is partly online available for Bessarabia, 
Eastern-Volynia, Russia (Odessa !)
but NOT for western/central Volynia !
The "Stammbl?tter" = ancestral files of the EWZ mostly contain only the next 
generation, marriages or children.
So called "sippenkundliche Frageb?gen" = genealogical Questionnaire are 
really more detailed (see :Koblenz extractions from Bessarabia)
Same information is available for Volynia, Eastern Poland, Narew-area, 
Baltic area, Galicia, and others.
This documents are NOT online available !
Contents is often: grandparents or gr-grandparents, origin, emigrated 
siblings worldwide ...

I'm searching in this documents since January and have only seen parts of 
the fonds.

Hannes W.
Germany

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karl Krueger" <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>; <Krampetz at aol.com>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ


Dave's website on EWZ does a great job describing what these records and 
where you can find them. There are several places online that has different 
sets of data from EWZ.

1) The Odessa Digital Library has almost the entire EWZ50 collection 
included in their database. Since you are an SGGEE member you can look at my 
article in the September 2008 issue to see how to use that database search 
tool effectively.

2) Galiziengermandescdants has a database of around 40,000-50,000 names 
taken from EWZ. Those names come from many different places so it is hard to 
predict who might be in there. They probably center chiefly on Galicia but 
many other names elsewhere are found.
http://www.galiziengermandescendants.org/

3) The SGGEE MPD right now has around 12,000 names from the Lublin region in 
it. Those would show up with the source as SGGEE008r4. Sometime in the 
future this will be increased to around 25,000 names. So if you are 
interested in the Lublin region you are in luck and should probably be 
talking with me.
Karl

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Krampetz at aol.com <Krampetz at aol.com> wrote:

From: Krampetz at aol.com <Krampetz at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 11:44 PM

As a newbie to genealogy, I'd noted "EWZ" mentioned a few times,
but kept thinking it was EZA (the Berlin documents center).. but
curiosity got me searching for EWZ and I'm overwhelmed with
too many 'hits' via google.

I did see that Mennonites have taken their subset of names, and there
is a US center where research and microfilms are available.
But I thought I saw someone mention finding online data in EWZ?
Am I misunderstanding what I can find in EWZ online? Is any of their
records online?

Bob K.


In a message dated 11/12/2009 3:36:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
dabookk54 at yahoo.com writes:

I see plenty of this in EWZ. If you want a good source of imaginary
locations you only have to look in EWZ.



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From dabookk54 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 14 08:00:34 2009
From: dabookk54 at yahoo.com (Karl Krueger)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:00:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
In-Reply-To: <003b01ca653e$21f12530$f800a8c0@end2000>
Message-ID: <507895.86968.qm@web55304.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Hi Hannes,
Yes I familiar with some of these records. Someone from Germany emailed me few. The problem is they are only in Germany - Koblenz if I remember correctly,? so we in North America have no way to see them other than to go to Germany.

EWZ is found in Berlin, the National Archives in Maryland, and many of the EWZ films can be ordered from the Family History Centers. They are much more accessible so people will use them more.
Karl

--- On Sat, 11/14/09, Hannes Werner <Hannes.Werner at online.de> wrote:

From: Hannes Werner <Hannes.Werner at online.de>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
To: "Karl Krueger" <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>, ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org, Krampetz at aol.com
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 10:21 AM

Hello Karl,

in addition to your information about EWZ: there is some more and often more detailed information available by other documents of the DAI.
This archival fonds (DAI) is partly online available for Bessarabia, Eastern-Volynia, Russia (Odessa !)
but NOT for western/central Volynia !
The "Stammbl?tter" = ancestral files of the EWZ mostly contain only the next generation, marriages or children.
So called "sippenkundliche Frageb?gen" = genealogical Questionnaire are really more detailed (see :Koblenz extractions from Bessarabia)
Same information is available for Volynia, Eastern Poland, Narew-area, Baltic area, Galicia, and others.
This documents are NOT online available !
Contents is often: grandparents or gr-grandparents, origin, emigrated siblings worldwide ...

I'm searching in this documents since January and have only seen parts of the fonds.

Hannes W.
Germany

----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Krueger" <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>; <Krampetz at aol.com>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ


Dave's website on EWZ does a great job describing what these records and where you can find them. There are several places online that has different sets of data from EWZ.

1) The Odessa Digital Library has almost the entire EWZ50 collection included in their database. Since you are an SGGEE member you can look at my article in the September 2008 issue to see how to use that database search tool effectively.

2) Galiziengermandescdants has a database of around 40,000-50,000 names taken from EWZ. Those names come from many different places so it is hard to predict who might be in there. They probably center chiefly on Galicia but many other names elsewhere are found.
http://www.galiziengermandescendants.org/

3) The SGGEE MPD right now has around 12,000 names from the Lublin region in it. Those would show up with the source as SGGEE008r4. Sometime in the future this will be increased to around 25,000 names. So if you are interested in the Lublin region you are in luck and should probably be talking with me.
Karl

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Krampetz at aol.com <Krampetz at aol.com> wrote:

From: Krampetz at aol.com <Krampetz at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 11:44 PM

As a newbie to genealogy, I'd noted "EWZ" mentioned a few times,
but kept thinking it was EZA (the Berlin documents center).. but
curiosity got me searching for EWZ and I'm overwhelmed with
too many 'hits' via google.

I did see that Mennonites have taken their subset of names, and there
is a US center where research and microfilms are available.
But I thought I saw someone mention finding online data in EWZ?
Am I misunderstanding what I can find in EWZ online? Is any of their
records online?

Bob K.


In a message dated 11/12/2009 3:36:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
dabookk54 at yahoo.com writes:

I see plenty of this in EWZ. If you want a good source of imaginary
locations you only have to look in EWZ.



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From daveobee at shaw.ca  Sat Nov 14 08:30:58 2009
From: daveobee at shaw.ca (Dave Obee)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:30:58 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DAI, was EWZ
In-Reply-To: <003b01ca653e$21f12530$f800a8c0@end2000>
References: <623222.94829.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
	<003b01ca653e$21f12530$f800a8c0@end2000>
Message-ID: <fd30cddc5fc7b.4afe6ac2@shaw.ca>

I have seen Deutsches Ausland Institut documents at the Bundesarchiv in Koblenz, and I have checked the DAI microfilm held by the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, and I have copies of the four DAI microfilms from Library and Archives Canada.

You say that DAI documents from eastern Volhynia are online. What is the URL?

Thanks

Dave Obee

----- Original Message -----
From: Hannes Werner <Hannes.Werner at online.de>
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009 7:22
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
To: Karl Krueger <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>, ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org, Krampetz at aol.com

> Hello Karl,
> 
> in addition to your information about EWZ: there is some more 
> and often more 
> detailed information available by other documents of the DAI.
> This archival fonds (DAI) is partly online available for 
> Bessarabia, 
> Eastern-Volynia, Russia (Odessa !)
> but NOT for western/central Volynia !
> The "Stammbl?tter" = ancestral files of the EWZ mostly contain 
> only the next 
> generation, marriages or children.
> So called "sippenkundliche Frageb?gen" = genealogical 
> Questionnaire are 
> really more detailed (see :Koblenz extractions from Bessarabia)
> Same information is available for Volynia, Eastern Poland, Narew-
> area, 
> Baltic area, Galicia, and others.
> This documents are NOT online available !
> Contents is often: grandparents or gr-grandparents, origin, 
> emigrated 
> siblings worldwide ...
> 
> I'm searching in this documents since January and have only seen 
> parts of 
> the fonds.
> 
> Hannes W.
> Germany
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Karl Krueger" <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>; <Krampetz at aol.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 2:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
> 
> 
> Dave's website on EWZ does a great job describing what these 
> records and 
> where you can find them. There are several places online that 
> has different 
> sets of data from EWZ.
> 
> 1) The Odessa Digital Library has almost the entire EWZ50 
> collection 
> included in their database. Since you are an SGGEE member you 
> can look at my 
> article in the September 2008 issue to see how to use that 
> database search 
> tool effectively.
> 
> 2) Galiziengermandescdants has a database of around 40,000-
> 50,000 names 
> taken from EWZ. Those names come from many different places so 
> it is hard to 
> predict who might be in there. They probably center chiefly on 
> Galicia but 
> many other names elsewhere are found.
> http://www.galiziengermandescendants.org/
> 
> 3) The SGGEE MPD right now has around 12,000 names from the 
> Lublin region in 
> it. Those would show up with the source as SGGEE008r4. Sometime 
> in the 
> future this will be increased to around 25,000 names. So if you 
> are 
> interested in the Lublin region you are in luck and should 
> probably be 
> talking with me.
> Karl
> 
> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Krampetz at aol.com <Krampetz at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Krampetz at aol.com <Krampetz at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 11:44 PM
> 
> As a newbie to genealogy, I'd noted "EWZ" mentioned a few times,
> but kept thinking it was EZA (the Berlin documents center).. but
> curiosity got me searching for EWZ and I'm overwhelmed with
> too many 'hits' via google.
> 
> I did see that Mennonites have taken their subset of names, and there
> is a US center where research and microfilms are available.
> But I thought I saw someone mention finding online data in EWZ?
> Am I misunderstanding what I can find in EWZ online? Is any of their
> records online?
> 
> Bob K.
> 
> 
> In a message dated 11/12/2009 3:36:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> dabookk54 at yahoo.com writes:
> 
> I see plenty of this in EWZ. If you want a good source of imaginary
> locations you only have to look in EWZ.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
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From Hannes.Werner at online.de  Sat Nov 14 09:58:52 2009
From: Hannes.Werner at online.de (Hannes Werner)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:58:52 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DAI, was EWZ
References: <623222.94829.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com><003b01ca653e$21f12530$f800a8c0@end2000>
	<fd30cddc5fc7b.4afe6ac2@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001a01ca6554$239b02a0$f800a8c0@end2000>

Hello Dave,

you misunderstood. I referred to the known Koblenz extractions on 
Odessa-database. There were only few transcribers for documents from 
Bessarabia area. Depending on their individual interests and areas
and depending on the traveling-routes of  Bess. colonists there are 
mentioned some information from eastern Volynia ( on the way to Bess. or 
Odessa).

It was my intention to show that the large part of the DAI-records 
concerning VOLYNIA, POLAND and others are almost unknown.

Hannes W.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Obee" <daveobee at shaw.ca>
To: "Hannes Werner" <Hannes.Werner at online.de>
Cc: "Karl Krueger" <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>; 
<ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>; <Krampetz at aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 5:30 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DAI, was EWZ


I have seen Deutsches Ausland Institut documents at the Bundesarchiv in 
Koblenz, and I have checked the DAI microfilm held by the Family History 
Library in Salt Lake City, and I have copies of the four DAI microfilms from 
Library and Archives Canada.

You say that DAI documents from eastern Volhynia are online. What is the 
URL?

Thanks

Dave Obee

----- Original Message -----
From: Hannes Werner <Hannes.Werner at online.de>
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009 7:22
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
To: Karl Krueger <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>, 
ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org, Krampetz at aol.com

> Hello Karl,
>
> in addition to your information about EWZ: there is some more
> and often more
> detailed information available by other documents of the DAI.
> This archival fonds (DAI) is partly online available for
> Bessarabia,
> Eastern-Volynia, Russia (Odessa !)
> but NOT for western/central Volynia !
> The "Stammbl?tter" = ancestral files of the EWZ mostly contain
> only the next
> generation, marriages or children.
> So called "sippenkundliche Frageb?gen" = genealogical
> Questionnaire are
> really more detailed (see :Koblenz extractions from Bessarabia)
> Same information is available for Volynia, Eastern Poland, Narew-
> area,
> Baltic area, Galicia, and others.
> This documents are NOT online available !
> Contents is often: grandparents or gr-grandparents, origin,
> emigrated
> siblings worldwide ...
>
> I'm searching in this documents since January and have only seen
> parts of
> the fonds.
>
> Hannes W.
> Germany
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Karl Krueger" <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>; <Krampetz at aol.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 2:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
>
>
> Dave's website on EWZ does a great job describing what these
> records and
> where you can find them. There are several places online that
> has different
> sets of data from EWZ.
>
> 1) The Odessa Digital Library has almost the entire EWZ50
> collection
> included in their database. Since you are an SGGEE member you
> can look at my
> article in the September 2008 issue to see how to use that
> database search
> tool effectively.
>
> 2) Galiziengermandescdants has a database of around 40,000-
> 50,000 names
> taken from EWZ. Those names come from many different places so
> it is hard to
> predict who might be in there. They probably center chiefly on
> Galicia but
> many other names elsewhere are found.
> http://www.galiziengermandescendants.org/
>
> 3) The SGGEE MPD right now has around 12,000 names from the
> Lublin region in
> it. Those would show up with the source as SGGEE008r4. Sometime
> in the
> future this will be increased to around 25,000 names. So if you
> are
> interested in the Lublin region you are in luck and should
> probably be
> talking with me.
> Karl
>
> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Krampetz at aol.com <Krampetz at aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: Krampetz at aol.com <Krampetz at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 11:44 PM
>
> As a newbie to genealogy, I'd noted "EWZ" mentioned a few times,
> but kept thinking it was EZA (the Berlin documents center).. but
> curiosity got me searching for EWZ and I'm overwhelmed with
> too many 'hits' via google.
>
> I did see that Mennonites have taken their subset of names, and there
> is a US center where research and microfilms are available.
> But I thought I saw someone mention finding online data in EWZ?
> Am I misunderstanding what I can find in EWZ online? Is any of their
> records online?
>
> Bob K.
>
>
> In a message dated 11/12/2009 3:36:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> dabookk54 at yahoo.com writes:
>
> I see plenty of this in EWZ. If you want a good source of imaginary
> locations you only have to look in EWZ.
>
>
>
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>
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From daveobee at shaw.ca  Sat Nov 14 10:19:57 2009
From: daveobee at shaw.ca (Dave Obee)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:19:57 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DAI, was EWZ
In-Reply-To: <001a01ca6554$239b02a0$f800a8c0@end2000>
References: <623222.94829.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
	<003b01ca653e$21f12530$f800a8c0@end2000>
	<fd30cddc5fc7b.4afe6ac2@shaw.ca>
	<001a01ca6554$239b02a0$f800a8c0@end2000>
Message-ID: <d107d9395bac0.4afe844d@shaw.ca>

I would like to confirm that we are talking about the same thing here.

When you say:

?This archival fonds (DAI) is partly online available for
> Bessarabia,
> Eastern-Volynia, Russia (Odessa !)
> but NOT for western/central Volynia !

What is the URL? Or, which collection on Odessa3.org?

Thanks again

Dave Obee



----- Original Message -----
From: Hannes Werner <Hannes.Werner at online.de>
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009 10:00
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DAI, was EWZ
To: Dave Obee <daveobee at shaw.ca>
Cc: Karl Krueger <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>, ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org

> Hello Dave,
> 
> you misunderstood. I referred to the known Koblenz extractions 
> on 
> Odessa-database. There were only few transcribers for documents 
> from 
> Bessarabia area. Depending on their individual interests and areas
> and depending on the traveling-routes of? Bess. colonists 
> there are 
> mentioned some information from eastern Volynia ( on the way to 
> Bess. or 
> Odessa).
> 
> It was my intention to show that the large part of the DAI-
> records 
> concerning VOLYNIA, POLAND and others are almost unknown.
> 
> Hannes W.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Obee" <daveobee at shaw.ca>
> To: "Hannes Werner" <Hannes.Werner at online.de>
> Cc: "Karl Krueger" <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>; 
> <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>; <Krampetz at aol.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 5:30 PM
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DAI, was EWZ
> 
> 
> I have seen Deutsches Ausland Institut documents at the 
> Bundesarchiv in 
> Koblenz, and I have checked the DAI microfilm held by the Family 
> History 
> Library in Salt Lake City, and I have copies of the four DAI 
> microfilms from 
> Library and Archives Canada.
> 
> You say that DAI documents from eastern Volhynia are online. 
> What is the 
> URL?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Dave Obee
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hannes Werner <Hannes.Werner at online.de>
> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009 7:22
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
> To: Karl Krueger <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>, 
> ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org, Krampetz at aol.com
> 
> > Hello Karl,
> >
> > in addition to your information about EWZ: there is some more
> > and often more
> > detailed information available by other documents of the DAI.
> > This archival fonds (DAI) is partly online available for
> > Bessarabia,
> > Eastern-Volynia, Russia (Odessa !)
> > but NOT for western/central Volynia !
> > The "Stammbl?tter" = ancestral files of the EWZ mostly contain
> > only the next
> > generation, marriages or children.
> > So called "sippenkundliche Frageb?gen" = genealogical
> > Questionnaire are
> > really more detailed (see :Koblenz extractions from Bessarabia)
> > Same information is available for Volynia, Eastern Poland, 
> Narew-
> > area,
> > Baltic area, Galicia, and others.
> > This documents are NOT online available !
> > Contents is often: grandparents or gr-grandparents, origin,
> > emigrated
> > siblings worldwide ...
> >
> > I'm searching in this documents since January and have only seen
> > parts of
> > the fonds.
> >
> > Hannes W.
> > Germany
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Karl Krueger" <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>
> > To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>; 
> <Krampetz at aol.com>> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 2:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
> >
> >
> > Dave's website on EWZ does a great job describing what these
> > records and
> > where you can find them. There are several places online that
> > has different
> > sets of data from EWZ.
> >
> > 1) The Odessa Digital Library has almost the entire EWZ50
> > collection
> > included in their database. Since you are an SGGEE member you
> > can look at my
> > article in the September 2008 issue to see how to use that
> > database search
> > tool effectively.
> >
> > 2) Galiziengermandescdants has a database of around 40,000-
> > 50,000 names
> > taken from EWZ. Those names come from many different places so
> > it is hard to
> > predict who might be in there. They probably center chiefly on
> > Galicia but
> > many other names elsewhere are found.
> > http://www.galiziengermandescendants.org/
> >
> > 3) The SGGEE MPD right now has around 12,000 names from the
> > Lublin region in
> > it. Those would show up with the source as SGGEE008r4. Sometime
> > in the
> > future this will be increased to around 25,000 names. So if you
> > are
> > interested in the Lublin region you are in luck and should
> > probably be
> > talking with me.
> > Karl
> >
> > --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Krampetz at aol.com <Krampetz at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Krampetz at aol.com <Krampetz at aol.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
> > To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> > Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 11:44 PM
> >
> > As a newbie to genealogy, I'd noted "EWZ" mentioned a few times,
> > but kept thinking it was EZA (the Berlin documents center).. but
> > curiosity got me searching for EWZ and I'm overwhelmed with
> > too many 'hits' via google.
> >
> > I did see that Mennonites have taken their subset of names, 
> and there
> > is a US center where research and microfilms are available.
> > But I thought I saw someone mention finding online data in EWZ?
> > Am I misunderstanding what I can find in EWZ online? Is any of their
> > records online?
> >
> > Bob K.
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 11/12/2009 3:36:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> > dabookk54 at yahoo.com writes:
> >
> > I see plenty of this in EWZ. If you want a good source of imaginary
> > locations you only have to look in EWZ.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
> > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> > Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
> > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> > Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
> >
> >
> >
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> > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> > Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
> >
> 
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From morbeus at uniserve.com  Sat Nov 14 13:08:41 2009
From: morbeus at uniserve.com (M Gauer)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:08:41 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DAI, was EWZ (Dave Obee)
Message-ID: <4AFF1C59.1030005@uniserve.com>

Hello Hannes;

Are you aware of GRHS (http://www.grhs.org/) and their Bessarabian 
Records?  The BESS RIG (Bessarabian Regional Interest Group) 
(http://www.grhs.org/rig/bess/) have a number of EWZ records listed at 
http://www.grhs.org/rig/bess/research_resettlement.htm plus a wealth of 
other Bessarabian information (including 31 Koblenz film indexes) on 
their research pages (http://www.grhs.org/rig/bess/research.htm).

Sorry if this is off topic folks as this information on the Russian 
territories
Regards, Murray Gauer
        GRHS Web Committee member
         GRHS Computer Committee member
         GRHS Village Coordinator for Nesselrode & Rosenfeld
         GRHS Ort Coordinator for Birkenfeld
         GRHS AC Coordinator for Winnipeg, Canada
         GRHS HOP RIG Webmaster


From mw2657 at cs.com  Sat Nov 14 16:10:46 2009
From: mw2657 at cs.com (mw2657@cs.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:10:46 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DAI, was EWZ
In-Reply-To: <fd30cddc5fc7b.4afe6ac2@shaw.ca>
References: <623222.94829.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com><003b01ca653e$21f12530$f800a8c0@end2000>
	<fd30cddc5fc7b.4afe6ac2@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <8CC339F3686C4CE-3A78-46D8@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com>


Dave,

I would be interested in the Deutsches Ausland Institut documents at the Bundesarchiv in Koblenz records you mentioned below. I have ancestors from Koblenz, and will be making a trip to Poland and Germany in 2010. Can you provide more information as to where they are available? Only in Germany? or are they available through the FHCs?

Regards,
Maureen Murray Webb


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Obee <daveobee at shaw.ca>
To: Hannes Werner <Hannes.Werner at online.de>
Cc: Karl Krueger <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>; ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org; Krampetz at aol.com
Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2009 10:30 am
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DAI, was EWZ



I have seen Deutsches Ausland Institut documents at the Bundesarchiv in Koblenz, 
nd I have checked the DAI microfilm held by the Family History Library in Salt 
ake City, and I have copies of the four DAI microfilms from Library and 
rchives Canada.
You say that DAI documents from eastern Volhynia are online. What is the URL?
Thanks
Dave Obee
----- Original Message -----
rom: Hannes Werner <Hannes.Werner at online.de>
ate: Saturday, November 14, 2009 7:22
ubject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
o: Karl Krueger <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>, ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org, 
rampetz at aol.com
> Hello Karl,
 
 in addition to your information about EWZ: there is some more 
 and often more 
 detailed information available by other documents of the DAI.
 This archival fonds (DAI) is partly online available for 
 Bessarabia, 
 Eastern-Volynia, Russia (Odessa !)
 but NOT for western/central Volynia !
 The "Stammbl?tter" = ancestral files of the EWZ mostly contain 
 only the next 
 generation, marriages or children.
 So called "sippenkundliche Frageb?gen" = genealogical 
 Questionnaire are 
 really more detailed (see :Koblenz extractions from Bessarabia)
 Same information is available for Volynia, Eastern Poland, Narew-
 area, 
 Baltic area, Galicia, and others.
 This documents are NOT online available !
 Contents is often: grandparents or gr-grandparents, origin, 
 emigrated 
 siblings worldwide ...
 
 I'm searching in this documents since January and have only seen 
 parts of 
 the fonds.
 
 Hannes W.
 Germany
 
 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: "Karl Krueger" <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>
 To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>; <Krampetz at aol.com>
 Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 2:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
 
 
 Dave's website on EWZ does a great job describing what these 
 records and 
 where you can find them. There are several places online that 
 has different 
 sets of data from EWZ.
 
 1) The Odessa Digital Library has almost the entire EWZ50 
 collection 
 included in their database. Since you are an SGGEE member you 
 can look at my 
 article in the September 2008 issue to see how to use that 
 database search 
 tool effectively.
 
 2) Galiziengermandescdants has a database of around 40,000-
 50,000 names 
 taken from EWZ. Those names come from many different places so 
 it is hard to 
 predict who might be in there. They probably center chiefly on 
 Galicia but 
 many other names elsewhere are found.
 http://www.galiziengermandescendants.org/
 
 3) The SGGEE MPD right now has around 12,000 names from the 
 Lublin region in 
 it. Those would show up with the source as SGGEE008r4. Sometime 
 in the 
 future this will be increased to around 25,000 names. So if you 
 are 
 interested in the Lublin region you are in luck and should 
 probably be 
 talking with me.
 Karl
 
 --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Krampetz at aol.com <Krampetz at aol.com> wrote:
 
 From: Krampetz at aol.com <Krampetz at aol.com>
 Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
 To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
 Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 11:44 PM
 
 As a newbie to genealogy, I'd noted "EWZ" mentioned a few times,
 but kept thinking it was EZA (the Berlin documents center).. but
 curiosity got me searching for EWZ and I'm overwhelmed with
 too many 'hits' via google.
 
 I did see that Mennonites have taken their subset of names, and there
 is a US center where research and microfilms are available.
 But I thought I saw someone mention finding online data in EWZ?
 Am I misunderstanding what I can find in EWZ online? Is any of their
 records online?
 
 Bob K.
 
 
 In a message dated 11/12/2009 3:36:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
 dabookk54 at yahoo.com writes:
 
 I see plenty of this in EWZ. If you want a good source of imaginary
 locations you only have to look in EWZ.
 
 
 
 _______________________________________________
 Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
 Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
 Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
 
 
 
 
 
 _______________________________________________
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 Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
 Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
 
 
 
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 Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
 
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From Hannes.Werner at online.de  Sun Nov 15 11:09:02 2009
From: Hannes.Werner at online.de (Hannes Werner)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:09:02 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DAI, was EWZ
References: <623222.94829.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com><003b01ca653e$21f12530$f800a8c0@end2000>
	<fd30cddc5fc7b.4afe6ac2@shaw.ca>
	<8CC339F3686C4CE-3A78-46D8@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <003601ca6627$18b12260$f800a8c0@end2000>

Hello Maureen,

I will surely provide information. Will you please tell me names and places ?
I'll try to help

Hannes W. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mw2657 at cs.com 
  To: daveobee at shaw.ca ; Hannes.Werner at online.de 
  Cc: dabookk54 at yahoo.com ; ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org ; Krampetz at aol.com 
  Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:10 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DAI, was EWZ


  Dave,

  I would be interested in the Deutsches Ausland Institut documents at the Bundesarchiv in Koblenz records you mentioned below. I have ancestors from Koblenz, and will be making a trip to Poland and Germany in 2010. Can you provide more information as to where they are available? Only in Germany? or are they available through the FHCs?

  Regards,
  Maureen Murray Webb


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Dave Obee <daveobee at shaw.ca>
  To: Hannes Werner <Hannes.Werner at online.de>
  Cc: Karl Krueger <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>; ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org; Krampetz at aol.com
  Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2009 10:30 am
  Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DAI, was EWZ


I have seen Deutsches Ausland Institut documents at the Bundesarchiv in Koblenz, 
and I have checked the DAI microfilm held by the Family History Library in Salt 
Lake City, and I have copies of the four DAI microfilms from Library and 
Archives Canada.

You say that DAI documents from eastern Volhynia are online. What is the URL?

Thanks

Dave Obee

----- Original Message -----
From: Hannes Werner <Hannes.Werner at online.de>
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009 7:22
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
To: Karl Krueger <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>, ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org, 
Krampetz at aol.com

> Hello Karl,
> 
> in addition to your information about EWZ: there is some more 
> and often more 
> detailed information available by other documents of the DAI.
> This archival fonds (DAI) is partly online available for 
> Bessarabia, 
> Eastern-Volynia, Russia (Odessa !)
> but NOT for western/central Volynia !
> The "Stammbl?tter" = ancestral files of the EWZ mostly contain 
> only the next 
> generation, marriages or children.
> So called "sippenkundliche Frageb?gen" = genealogical 
> Questionnaire are 
> really more detailed (see :Koblenz extractions from Bessarabia)
> Same information is available for Volynia, Eastern Poland, Narew-
> area, 
> Baltic area, Galicia, and others.
> This documents are NOT online available !
> Contents is often: grandparents or gr-grandparents, origin, 
> emigrated 
> siblings worldwide ...
> 
> I'm searching in this documents since January and have only seen 
> parts of 
> the fonds.
> 
> Hannes W.
> Germany
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Karl Krueger" <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>; <Krampetz at aol.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 2:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
> 
> 
> Dave's website on EWZ does a great job describing what these 
> records and 
> where you can find them. There are several places online that 
> has different 
> sets of data from EWZ.
> 
> 1) The Odessa Digital Library has almost the entire EWZ50 
> collection 
> included in their database. Since you are an SGGEE member you 
> can look at my 
> article in the September 2008 issue to see how to use that 
> database search 
> tool effectively.
> 
> 2) Galiziengermandescdants has a database of around 40,000-
> 50,000 names 
> taken from EWZ. Those names come from many different places so 
> it is hard to 
> predict who might be in there. They probably center chiefly on 
> Galicia but 
> many other names elsewhere are found.
> http://www.galiziengermandescendants.org/
> 
> 3) The SGGEE MPD right now has around 12,000 names from the 
> Lublin region in 
> it. Those would show up with the source as SGGEE008r4. Sometime 
> in the 
> future this will be increased to around 25,000 names. So if you 
> are 
> interested in the Lublin region you are in luck and should 
> probably be 
> talking with me.
> Karl
> 
> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Krampetz at aol.com <Krampetz at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Krampetz at aol.com <Krampetz at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 11:44 PM
> 
> As a newbie to genealogy, I'd noted "EWZ" mentioned a few times,
> but kept thinking it was EZA (the Berlin documents center).. but
> curiosity got me searching for EWZ and I'm overwhelmed with
> too many 'hits' via google.
> 
> I did see that Mennonites have taken their subset of names, and there
> is a US center where research and microfilms are available.
> But I thought I saw someone mention finding online data in EWZ?
> Am I misunderstanding what I can find in EWZ online? Is any of their
> records online?
> 
> Bob K.
> 
> 
> In a message dated 11/12/2009 3:36:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> dabookk54 at yahoo.com writes:
> 
> I see plenty of this in EWZ. If you want a good source of imaginary
> locations you only have to look in EWZ.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 

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From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Mon Nov 16 10:54:04 2009
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:54:04 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Are you connected to Gustav Litke or
	Gottfried Gass?
Message-ID: <cf7ae915398ff.4b013d5c@shaw.ca>

Back in 2005 I was on a genealogy bulletin board trying to help someone find the village spelled Ozenta in the Siedlce region as it appeared on an Ellis Island record for the subject immigrants.? I don't know if that person was an SGGEE member or someone else on the Internet.? I no longer have record of the original question.

I just received an email from someone in Germany who is related to this Litke family.? The correct village name is Oci?te.? If anyone recognizes this query, let me know and I will put you in touch with each other.


Jerry Frank
Calgary, AB


From Krampetz at aol.com  Mon Nov 16 20:36:25 2009
From: Krampetz at aol.com (Krampetz@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:36:25 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] SGGEE DB's   was:  EWZ
Message-ID: <cec.68b8e118.38338249@aol.com>

First...   Thanks to all for your EWZ help & pointers,   it was an eye 
opening learning 
   experience,  and I've still yet to digest it  all!   Thanks again..
 
How often does the SGGEE database get updated?    I see that  SGGEE001r9 
was placed in May 2009,   and  SGGEE001r10 was placed  in July 2009.. ?!?!
What is this SGGEE008r4??   And how do we get to  *it*?   
(or is that web page out-of-date? 
_http://sggee.org/members/pedigree_guide.html_ (http://sggee.org/members/pedigree_guide.html) 
 
Still New & Confused member...
 
Bob Krampetz
   (GF changed spelling from Krampitz)
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/13/2009 5:40:30 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
dabookk54 at yahoo.com writes:

3) The SGGEE MPD right  now has around 12,000 names from the Lublin region 
in it. Those would show up  with the source as SGGEE008r4. Sometime in the 
future this will be increased  to around 25,000 names. So if you are 
interested in the Lublin region you are  in luck and should probably be talking with 
 me.
Karl



From gary at warnerengineering.com  Mon Nov 16 22:07:55 2009
From: gary at warnerengineering.com (Gary Warner)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:07:55 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] SGGEE DB's   was:  EWZ
In-Reply-To: <cec.68b8e118.38338249@aol.com>
References: <cec.68b8e118.38338249@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B023DBB.6060408@warnerengineering.com>

Bob,

The Master Pedigree Database (MPD) is a composite database that includes 
all of the SGGEExxx databases and also all of the data submitted by our 
members, except it currently only includes SGGEE001 data through r8 
(revision 8).   It will in a month or two include the SGGEE001data 
through r10.   There is currently no specific way for you to look up 
data that is just SGGEE008 data- I do not recall why at the moment, but 
it is not currently a search parameter.   On the other hand, if you are 
looking for a certain person and do a search for that person, if that 
person is in our database, you will get a return on that person no 
matter what the source of the data, whether it be from an SGGEE member, 
or from a specific SGGEExx data file.

Gary Warner

Krampetz at aol.com wrote:
> First...   Thanks to all for your EWZ help & pointers,   it was an eye 
> opening learning 
>    experience,  and I've still yet to digest it  all!   Thanks again..
>  
> How often does the SGGEE database get updated?    I see that  SGGEE001r9 
> was placed in May 2009,   and  SGGEE001r10 was placed  in July 2009.. ?!?!
> What is this SGGEE008r4??   And how do we get to  *it*?   
> (or is that web page out-of-date? 
> _http://sggee.org/members/pedigree_guide.html_ (http://sggee.org/members/pedigree_guide.html) 
>  
> Still New & Confused member...
>  
> Bob Krampetz
>    (GF changed spelling from Krampitz)
>  
>  
>  
> In a message dated 11/13/2009 5:40:30 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
> dabookk54 at yahoo.com writes:
>
> 3) The SGGEE MPD right  now has around 12,000 names from the Lublin region 
> in it. Those would show up  with the source as SGGEE008r4. Sometime in the 
> future this will be increased  to around 25,000 names. So if you are 
> interested in the Lublin region you are  in luck and should probably be talking with 
>  me.
> Karl
>
>
>
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From lindag.shepherd at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 00:15:05 2009
From: lindag.shepherd at gmail.com (Linda Shepherd)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:15:05 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] East Prussia
Message-ID: <7ca15950911170015j63bbf6dlf9b7d9becfe1e228@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,
Thanks for your earlier help with my Thiem searches. I have not got much
further with Heinrich. I will have to see what else Mum can tell me when I
see her in January. I am just touching base now to see whether the
towns/villages of Gumbinnen, Goldap, Schippenbeil and Regellen in East
Prussia fall into the area covered by sggee. These are all places where I
have ancestors on my Mum's side.
My grandmother, Agatha Bertha Frida married  a Thiem  descendant of Heinrich
- although there is a lot of circumstantial evidence for this, there are
several generations between his records and the oldest ones I have.
 Agathe  was the daughter of  Friederich Julius Hoffmann. He was born on 12
July 1859 in Susnik, Rastenbourg.
He married a Bertha Agathe Cohanski who was born on 17th December 1859. She
came from Regellen.
They married on 3rd August 1886 in Goldap.
We do not have much information  about the death of Friederich beyond the
fact that he was lost at sea we think during the flight from East Prussia as
a result of the Russian advance.

Can anyone supply any links/information to this last event?
Are there any Parish records available for searching the families mentioned?

Thanks very much
With every good wish,
Linda



Their marriage took place in Goldap.
I have been browsing the main website and think it is really good. It was
great to find a link to the map showing these places.
Many thanks,
Linda

-- 
Happiness is wanting what you have, not having what you want!

From dabookk54 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 17 08:09:53 2009
From: dabookk54 at yahoo.com (Karl Krueger)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:09:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Gertrude and Henriette
Message-ID: <854926.87481.qm@web55304.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know if there is often a strong tie between the given names Gertrude and Henriette? A Google search shows these two names appear quite often together as Gertrude Henriette as you might find Friedrich Wilhelm or Anna Christine or many other possibilities.

The reason I bring this up is that I found a 1825 birth record for a girl named Gertrude. These parents in later years have a daughter named Henriette having a son in 1846. The parents have no other possibilities for a child-bearing daughter in the records in this time frame. It is odd naming a daughter Gertrude in the first place as it is rarely used by our group of Germans, especially in these earlier years. These Catholic records often show just one name among the compounded names (like just Anna for Anna Rosalie).
Karl



      

From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Tue Nov 17 09:23:53 2009
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:23:53 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Gertrude and Henriette
In-Reply-To: <854926.87481.qm@web55304.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <854926.87481.qm@web55304.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d00ed7f33882e.4b0279b9@shaw.ca>

I don't know if it is possible to make a definitive connection without some other clue - such as a later record of Henriette (perhaps a death record) that records her name as Gertrude Henriette.

Gertrude is not common but does occur 333 times in our MPD (some of which of course are duplicated).? It was common for Germans in the 19th century to be known by their second name.? If that second name is not recorded at baptism, it is quite possible that these two are the same persons.

Many similar examples can be cited.? In one ancestral record of mine, the girl is baptized in the Catholic Church at Dabrowice as Anna Christina.? A week later, the same girl appears to be rebaptized (or at least entered in the record book) at the Chodecz Lutheran Church with the name Katherina Anna.? (Going from memory here so the exact names might be different.? This is just an example.)? In another case, my ancestral female is recorded with a certain name at the births of all her children yet her name is recorded differently at her death, even though her age, children listed, and predeceased husband are all correct.

Possible, plausible, probable - yes.? But 100% certain - no.


Jerry

----- Original Message -----
From: Karl Krueger <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:18 am
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Gertrude and Henriette
To: Mail List <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>

> Does anyone know if there is often a strong tie between the 
> given names Gertrude and Henriette? A Google search shows these 
> two names appear quite often together as Gertrude Henriette as 
> you might find Friedrich Wilhelm or Anna Christine or many other 
> possibilities.
> The reason I bring this up is that I found a 1825 birth record 
> for a girl named Gertrude. These parents in later years have a 
> daughter named Henriette having a son in 1846. The parents have 
> no other possibilities for a child-bearing daughter in the 
> records in this time frame. It is odd naming a daughter Gertrude 
> in the first place as it is rarely used by our group of Germans, 
> especially in these earlier years. These Catholic records often 
> show just one name among the compounded names (like just Anna 
> for Anna Rosalie).
> Karl
> 
> 
> 
> ????? 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
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> 

From Doncarolea at aol.com  Wed Nov 18 00:48:04 2009
From: Doncarolea at aol.com (Doncarolea@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:48:04 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fasowa Rudniga
Message-ID: <c57.64ea405b.38350ec4@aol.com>

Would anyone know the current name for this village which, I am told, is  
about 40 km north of Zhytomir. My German Lutheran mother was born there in  
1904.
 
Don

From joepessarra at suddenlink.net  Wed Nov 18 03:25:00 2009
From: joepessarra at suddenlink.net (joepessarra)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:25:00 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fasowa Rudniga
In-Reply-To: <c57.64ea405b.38350ec4@aol.com>
References: <c57.64ea405b.38350ec4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001201ca6841$c43ac7f0$4cb057d0$@net>



-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of
Doncarolea at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:48 AM
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fasowa Rudniga

Would anyone know the current name for this village which, I am told, is  
about 40 km north of Zhytomir. My German Lutheran mother was born there in  
1904.
 
Don

_______________________________________________

ShtetlSeeker, at http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp finds a
Fasova about 39.3 km N of Zhytomir.  Might be your town.

Joe in Texas


From GHBoehm at ish.de  Wed Nov 18 05:01:25 2009
From: GHBoehm at ish.de (=?UTF-8?B?R8O8bnRoZXIgQsO2aG0=?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:01:25 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fasowa Rudniga
In-Reply-To: <c57.64ea405b.38350ec4@aol.com>
References: <c57.64ea405b.38350ec4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B03F025.70602@ish.de>

Doncarolea at aol.com schrieb:
> Would anyone know the current name for this village which, I am told, is  
> about 40 km north of Zhytomir. My German Lutheran mother was born there in  
> 1904.

Hello Don,
the Austrian 1912 map 
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/200e/46-51.jpg shows down right 
a *Rudnia Fasowskaja* just northeast of *Fasowa* and a bit west of 
Kamienny Brod on the Trostianica stream and nearby lots of other 
Rudnias. The settlement is still alive, has approximately the same name 
(?????-?????? = Rudnia-Fasova) and the coordinates 50?38'0"N , 
28?38'41"E . You find it at the 1976 1:100.000 Soviet military map, 
sheet 100k--m35-058 (?????-???????) or in Wikimapia under 
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=50.6332263&lon=28.6448979&z=16&l=5&m=b&search=%D0%A0%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%BD%D1%8F-%D0%A4%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8F
Google Maps and Wikimapia offer an excellent air view of Rudnia-Fasovaya 
with every house, plot and tree.

G?nther

From eduardo.kommers at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 05:15:49 2009
From: eduardo.kommers at gmail.com (Eduardo Kommers)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:15:49 -0200
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fasowa Rudniga
References: <c57.64ea405b.38350ec4@aol.com> <4B03F025.70602@ish.de>
Message-ID: <00d201ca6851$410e0d00$0201010a@ntbrt02>

By the way, the german name was Faustindorf, am I right?

Has anyone researched over this place?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "G?nther B?hm" <GHBoehm at ish.de>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fasowa Rudniga


> Doncarolea at aol.com schrieb:
>> Would anyone know the current name for this village which, I am told, is
>> about 40 km north of Zhytomir. My German Lutheran mother was born there 
>> in
>> 1904.
>
> Hello Don,
> the Austrian 1912 map
> http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/200e/46-51.jpg shows down right
> a *Rudnia Fasowskaja* just northeast of *Fasowa* and a bit west of
> Kamienny Brod on the Trostianica stream and nearby lots of other
> Rudnias. The settlement is still alive, has approximately the same name
> (?????-?????? = Rudnia-Fasova) and the coordinates 50?38'0"N ,
> 28?38'41"E . You find it at the 1976 1:100.000 Soviet military map,
> sheet 100k--m35-058 (?????-???????) or in Wikimapia under
> http://wikimapia.org/#lat=50.6332263&lon=28.6448979&z=16&l=5&m=b&search=%D0%A0%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%BD%D1%8F-%D0%A4%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8F
> Google Maps and Wikimapia offer an excellent air view of Rudnia-Fasovaya
> with every house, plot and tree.
>
> G?nther
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv 


From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 18 05:20:24 2009
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:20:24 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fasowa Rudniga
In-Reply-To: <c57.64ea405b.38350ec4@aol.com>
References: <c57.64ea405b.38350ec4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B03F498.3050308@shaw.ca>

I'm not sure if this Cyrillic text will appear on the mailing list or 
not but a modern map I have shows it as:

?????-???????

which transliterates to Rudnia-Fasowa.

There can be other optional spellings as a result of trying to 
transliterate the sound correctly.


Jerry Frank
Calgary, AB



Doncarolea at aol.com wrote:
> Would anyone know the current name for this village which, I am told, is  
> about 40 km north of Zhytomir. My German Lutheran mother was born there in  
> 1904.
>  
> Don
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
>
>   

From GHBoehm at ish.de  Wed Nov 18 05:31:47 2009
From: GHBoehm at ish.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=FCnther_B=F6hm?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:31:47 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fasowa Rudniga
In-Reply-To: <4B03F498.3050308@shaw.ca>
References: <c57.64ea405b.38350ec4@aol.com> <4B03F498.3050308@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <4B03F743.10607@ish.de>

Jerry Frank schrieb:
> I'm not sure if this Cyrillic text will appear on the mailing list or 
> not but a modern map I have shows it as:
>
> ?????-???????
>
> which transliterates to Rudnia-Fasowa.
>
> There can be other optional spellings as a result of trying to 
> transliterate the sound correctly.
>
>
> Jerry Frank
> Calgary, AB

Jerry,
Cyrillic text appears correctly in the list if it is sent as Unicode 
(UTF-8) code. Could you else send it to me off-list as HTML? Then you 
don't need to change the encoding.

G?nther

From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 18 06:05:11 2009
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:05:11 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fasowa Rudniga
In-Reply-To: <00d201ca6851$410e0d00$0201010a@ntbrt02>
References: <c57.64ea405b.38350ec4@aol.com> <4B03F025.70602@ish.de>
	<00d201ca6851$410e0d00$0201010a@ntbrt02>
Message-ID: <4B03FF17.9070500@shaw.ca>

I don't think so, Eduardo.

Faustindorf = Faustynow which is west of Zhitomir.


Jerry Frank
Calgary, AB



Eduardo Kommers wrote:
> By the way, the german name was Faustindorf, am I right?
>
> Has anyone researched over this place?
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "G?nther B?hm" <GHBoehm at ish.de>
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fasowa Rudniga
>
>
>   
>> Doncarolea at aol.com schrieb:
>>     
>>> Would anyone know the current name for this village which, I am told, is
>>> about 40 km north of Zhytomir. My German Lutheran mother was born there 
>>> in
>>> 1904.
>>>       
>> Hello Don,
>> the Austrian 1912 map
>> http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/200e/46-51.jpg shows down right
>> a *Rudnia Fasowskaja* just northeast of *Fasowa* and a bit west of
>> Kamienny Brod on the Trostianica stream and nearby lots of other
>> Rudnias. The settlement is still alive, has approximately the same name
>> (?????-?????? = Rudnia-Fasova) and the coordinates 50?38'0"N ,
>> 28?38'41"E . You find it at the 1976 1:100.000 Soviet military map,
>> sheet 100k--m35-058 (?????-???????) or in Wikimapia under
>> http://wikimapia.org/#lat=50.6332263&lon=28.6448979&z=16&l=5&m=b&search=%D0%A0%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%BD%D1%8F-%D0%A4%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8F
>> Google Maps and Wikimapia offer an excellent air view of Rudnia-Fasovaya
>> with every house, plot and tree.
>>
>> G?nther
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
>> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
>> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv 
>>     
>
>
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From Krampetz at aol.com  Wed Nov 18 13:54:16 2009
From: Krampetz at aol.com (Krampetz@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:54:16 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] FYI --- Datenbanken: Sowjetische
	Kriegsgefangene und deportierte Deuts...
Message-ID: <cee.69aeb78f.3835c708@aol.com>

 
>From another email list I'm on (Dobrin-l  <URL at very  bottom>)
First,   GOOGLE's mashing of the original German...
Then below,  the original.. 
 
P.S.   Dobrin-l emails are mostly German,  and about  the Dobriner-land 
part 
of Poland  where so many Germans lived back in the 18&19  centuries..
 
 
German  to English translation   ----- by Google...
 
 

World War II 
Database is open on Deportees  

DRESDEN. The Documentation Center of the  Saxon Memorial Foundation 
has two databases made accessible  via the Internet, in which the 
Displaced fate of Soviet POWs in  the Second 
World War II and the Soviet Union  of German deportees 
registered. 
The offer at the address  www.dokst.de <http://www.dokst.de/> 
allows millions of foreign  citizens, according to their own 
mostly on former Reich buried or  missing relatives 
to seek, as well as on German  nationals, the certainty 
Fate of their family members  convicted by the Soviets to 
preserved. 
"The offer is aimed mainly at  Russian survivors 
former Soviet prisoners of war,  "said the head of the 
Documentation and Information  Center of the Saxon Foundation 
Memorials, Klaus-Dieter Muller,  the YOUNG FREEDOM. Originally 
it was the task set up in 1999  Documentation Center, a 
Database on the victims of the  Nazi system and the Soviet 
To create occupation in Saxony.  

* Free * and bilingual  
For a year, Dresdner  Documentation Center has commissioned the 
Federal government databases  prepared for publication. 
The website is available both in  German and in Russian, 
use free of charge.  
The first database contains  approximately 700,000 records to the Soviet 
Prisoners of war, mostly in  German custody in camps or 
Work gangs were killed, the  second includes more than 10,000 
Names and birth dates of Germans  during and after the Second 
World War, condemned by Soviet  military tribunals and arrested 
and were now almost completely by  Russian courts 
were rehabilitated.  

* Members usually know nothing  about rehabilitation * 
Both databases provide the name,  place and date of birth of 
registered persons. For complete information on each  listed 
Staff members then receive a  written request to the 
Dresdner Documentation Center.  
In June 2008 the agency has the  task of the Foreign Office official 
get transferred, in the  performance of German 
To support rehabilitation  activities. According to the historian  
Muller know about 85 percent of  the information contained in the database 
Offenders or their families  anything about the rehabilitation, because 
current residential addresses are  unknown. (ru)  

Wednesday, 18.11.2009  
http://jungefreiheit.de/Single-News-Display.154+M59a57bb6422.0.html  
-- 
Website:  http://www.dobriner-land.de 
(http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/dobriner-land-l)


 
 
In a message dated 11/18/2009 11:25:53 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
j.rebuschat at web.de writes:

Zweiter  Weltkrieg
Datenbank ?ber Deportierte ge?ffnet

DRESDEN. Die  Dokumentationsstelle der Stiftung S?chsische Gedenkst?tten 
hat zwei  Datenbanken ?ber das Internet zug?nglich gemacht, in denen die 
Schicksale  verschleppter sowjetischer Kriegsgefangener im Zweiten 
Weltkrieg und in  die seinerzeitige Sowjetunion deportierter Deutscher 
registriert  sind.
Das Angebot unter der Adresse www.dokst.de  <http://www.dokst.de/> 
erm?glicht es Millionen ausl?ndischen  B?rgern, selbst?ndig nach ihren 
zumeist auf ehemaligem Reichsgebiet  beerdigten oder vermi?ten Verwandten 
zu suchen, wie auch deutschen  Staatsangeh?rigen, Gewi?heit ?ber das 
Schicksal ihrer von den Sowjets  verurteilten Familienangeh?rigen zu 
erhalten.
"Das Angebot richtet sich  vornehmlich an russische Hinterbliebene 
ehemaliger sowjetischer  Kriegsgefangener", sagte der Leiter des 
Dokumentations- und  Informationszentrums der Stiftung S?chsische 
Gedenkst?tten, Klaus-Dieter  M?ller, der JUNGEN FREIHEIT. Urspr?nglich 
war es Aufgabe der 1999  eingerichteten Dokumentationsstelle, eine 
Datenbank ?ber die Opfer des  NS-Systems sowie der sowjetischen 
Besatzungsherrschaft in Sachsen zu  erstellen.

*Zweisprachig und kostenlos*
Ein Jahr lang hat die  Dresdner Dokumentationsstelle im Auftrag der 
Bundesregierung die  Datenbanken f?r die Ver?ffentlichung hergerichtet. 
Der Internetauftritt  ist sowohl in deutscher wie in russischer Sprache, 
die Benutzung  kostenlos.
Die erste Datenbank enth?lt etwa 700.000 Datens?tze zu  sowjetischen 
Kriegsgefangenen, die zumeist in deutschem Gewahrsam in  Lagern oder 
Arbeitskommandos umgekommen sind, die zweite umfa?t mehr als  10.000 
Namen und Geburtsdaten von Deutschen, die w?hrend und nach dem  Zweiten 
Weltkrieg von sowjetischen Milit?rtribunalen verurteilt und  inhaftiert 
wurden und inzwischen von russischen Gerichten fast vollst?ndig  
rehabilitiert wurden.

*Angeh?rige wissen meistens nichts von  Rehabilitierung*
Beide Datenbanken liefern Namen, Geburtsort und  Geburtsjahr der 
verzeichneten Personen. Vollst?ndige Informationen zu  jeder genannten 
Person erhalten Angeh?rige dann auf schriftliche Anfrage  bei der 
Dresdner Dokumentationsstelle.
Im Juni 2008 hat die Stelle vom  Ausw?rtigen Amt offiziell die Aufgabe 
?bertragen bekommen, Deutsche bei  der Wahrnehmung von 
Rehabilitationsaufgaben zu unterst?tzen. Nach Angaben  des Historikers 
M?ller wissen etwa 85 Prozent der in der Datenbank  enthaltenen 
Verurteilten oder ihre Angeh?rigen nichts von der  Rehabilitierung, weil 
aktuelle Wohnanschriften unbekannt sind. (ru  )

Mittwoch,  18.11.2009
http://jungefreiheit.de/Single-News-Display.154+M59a57bb6422.0.html
--
Webseite:  http://www.dobriner-land.de
(http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/dobriner-land-l)


From ehaas3 at cox.net  Wed Nov 18 16:03:04 2009
From: ehaas3 at cox.net (Eleanor)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:03:04 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] FYI --- Datenbanken:
	SowjetischeKriegsgefangene und deportierte Deuts...
In-Reply-To: <cee.69aeb78f.3835c708@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <14021AE0D0394CEE8E523D232D5EEC51@EleanorPC>

In the 1940's my great grandmother's sister wrote to the American family 
asking for help in locating family who had become separated during the 
deportation to Siberia.  The name was Paulina Grams.  I do not know her 
husband's name or the names of the two daughters.  Is there any way you can 
find this information on this site?  I do not know any German.

They were from the Lipno/Torun area.  The village where my great grandmother 
Louisa (Ludwika) Wilhelmina Sonnenberg was born was Skrzypkowo, Poland.  My 
great grandfather, Ferdinand (Ferdynand Jan) Meyer was born in Wiesendorf, 
Russia/Poland.  Since my grandfather Frederick Meyer was born in Wiesendorf 
and his papers coming into America were from Wiesendorf Russia, I assume 
that is where they lived until they came to America.

Above is from LDS library film #715180 Osowka/Lipno. The first birth record 
#236 in the year 1861 from the village of Skrzypkowo.  It says that on 11 
September 1861 August Sonnenberg came to register the child.  He is a farmer 
from Skrzypkowo, age 32.  He came together with Michal Sonnenberg, age 41, 
also a farmer and Ernest Krueger, age 22, both from Skrzypkowo.

For great grandfateher Ferdinand Meyer it comes from the LDS family history 
library film #715180, record 221 from 1859 from the village of Wiesendorf. 
Registration is dated 28 August 1859.  The father is Michal Mejer, age 33 
from Wiesendorf.  The other 2 witnesses are Kazimierza Maciejewski age 30 
from Wola and Ferdynand Abram age 23 a worker at Makowiska.  The child is 
Ferdynand Jan (John) Mejer who was born June 14 1859 to Michal and his wife 
Ewa Kraus, age 24.  The godparents are Johanna Wesolawska and Marya  (Eva) 
Kraus.

Thanks for any help anyone can give me.

Eleanor Allen Haas
ehaas3 at cox.net



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Krampetz at aol.com>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:54 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] FYI --- Datenbanken: 
SowjetischeKriegsgefangene und deportierte Deuts...



>From another email list I'm on (Dobrin-l  <URL at very  bottom>)
First,   GOOGLE's mashing of the original German...
Then below,  the original..

P.S.   Dobrin-l emails are mostly German,  and about  the Dobriner-land
part
of Poland  where so many Germans lived back in the 18&19  centuries..


German  to English translation   ----- by Google...



World War II
Database is open on Deportees

DRESDEN. The Documentation Center of the  Saxon Memorial Foundation
has two databases made accessible  via the Internet, in which the
Displaced fate of Soviet POWs in  the Second
World War II and the Soviet Union  of German deportees
registered.
The offer at the address  www.dokst.de <http://www.dokst.de/>
allows millions of foreign  citizens, according to their own
mostly on former Reich buried or  missing relatives
to seek, as well as on German  nationals, the certainty
Fate of their family members  convicted by the Soviets to
preserved.
"The offer is aimed mainly at  Russian survivors
former Soviet prisoners of war,  "said the head of the
Documentation and Information  Center of the Saxon Foundation
Memorials, Klaus-Dieter Muller,  the YOUNG FREEDOM. Originally
it was the task set up in 1999  Documentation Center, a
Database on the victims of the  Nazi system and the Soviet
To create occupation in Saxony.

* Free * and bilingual
For a year, Dresdner  Documentation Center has commissioned the
Federal government databases  prepared for publication.
The website is available both in  German and in Russian,
use free of charge.
The first database contains  approximately 700,000 records to the Soviet
Prisoners of war, mostly in  German custody in camps or
Work gangs were killed, the  second includes more than 10,000
Names and birth dates of Germans  during and after the Second
World War, condemned by Soviet  military tribunals and arrested
and were now almost completely by  Russian courts
were rehabilitated.

* Members usually know nothing  about rehabilitation *
Both databases provide the name,  place and date of birth of
registered persons. For complete information on each  listed
Staff members then receive a  written request to the
Dresdner Documentation Center.
In June 2008 the agency has the  task of the Foreign Office official
get transferred, in the  performance of German
To support rehabilitation  activities. According to the historian
Muller know about 85 percent of  the information contained in the database
Offenders or their families  anything about the rehabilitation, because
current residential addresses are  unknown. (ru)

Wednesday, 18.11.2009
http://jungefreiheit.de/Single-News-Display.154+M59a57bb6422.0.html
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In a message dated 11/18/2009 11:25:53 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
j.rebuschat at web.de writes:

Zweiter  Weltkrieg
Datenbank ?ber Deportierte ge?ffnet

DRESDEN. Die  Dokumentationsstelle der Stiftung S?chsische Gedenkst?tten
hat zwei  Datenbanken ?ber das Internet zug?nglich gemacht, in denen die
Schicksale  verschleppter sowjetischer Kriegsgefangener im Zweiten
Weltkrieg und in  die seinerzeitige Sowjetunion deportierter Deutscher
registriert  sind.
Das Angebot unter der Adresse www.dokst.de  <http://www.dokst.de/>
erm?glicht es Millionen ausl?ndischen  B?rgern, selbst?ndig nach ihren
zumeist auf ehemaligem Reichsgebiet  beerdigten oder vermi?ten Verwandten
zu suchen, wie auch deutschen  Staatsangeh?rigen, Gewi?heit ?ber das
Schicksal ihrer von den Sowjets  verurteilten Familienangeh?rigen zu
erhalten.
"Das Angebot richtet sich  vornehmlich an russische Hinterbliebene
ehemaliger sowjetischer  Kriegsgefangener", sagte der Leiter des
Dokumentations- und  Informationszentrums der Stiftung S?chsische
Gedenkst?tten, Klaus-Dieter  M?ller, der JUNGEN FREIHEIT. Urspr?nglich
war es Aufgabe der 1999  eingerichteten Dokumentationsstelle, eine
Datenbank ?ber die Opfer des  NS-Systems sowie der sowjetischen
Besatzungsherrschaft in Sachsen zu  erstellen.

*Zweisprachig und kostenlos*
Ein Jahr lang hat die  Dresdner Dokumentationsstelle im Auftrag der
Bundesregierung die  Datenbanken f?r die Ver?ffentlichung hergerichtet.
Der Internetauftritt  ist sowohl in deutscher wie in russischer Sprache,
die Benutzung  kostenlos.
Die erste Datenbank enth?lt etwa 700.000 Datens?tze zu  sowjetischen
Kriegsgefangenen, die zumeist in deutschem Gewahrsam in  Lagern oder
Arbeitskommandos umgekommen sind, die zweite umfa?t mehr als  10.000
Namen und Geburtsdaten von Deutschen, die w?hrend und nach dem  Zweiten
Weltkrieg von sowjetischen Milit?rtribunalen verurteilt und  inhaftiert
wurden und inzwischen von russischen Gerichten fast vollst?ndig
rehabilitiert wurden.

*Angeh?rige wissen meistens nichts von  Rehabilitierung*
Beide Datenbanken liefern Namen, Geburtsort und  Geburtsjahr der
verzeichneten Personen. Vollst?ndige Informationen zu  jeder genannten
Person erhalten Angeh?rige dann auf schriftliche Anfrage  bei der
Dresdner Dokumentationsstelle.
Im Juni 2008 hat die Stelle vom  Ausw?rtigen Amt offiziell die Aufgabe
?bertragen bekommen, Deutsche bei  der Wahrnehmung von
Rehabilitationsaufgaben zu unterst?tzen. Nach Angaben  des Historikers
M?ller wissen etwa 85 Prozent der in der Datenbank  enthaltenen
Verurteilten oder ihre Angeh?rigen nichts von der  Rehabilitierung, weil
aktuelle Wohnanschriften unbekannt sind. (ru  )

Mittwoch,  18.11.2009
http://jungefreiheit.de/Single-News-Display.154+M59a57bb6422.0.html
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From farose at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 08:14:55 2009
From: farose at gmail.com (F&RM Haddad)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:14:55 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Shtetl-Seeker virus?
Message-ID: <d813c1fb0911190814j1c1678e1tb653ba247e9bba4e@mail.gmail.com>

This is not exactly off-topic, for many of us use this website to determine
locations of towns in Germany, Poland & Volhynia.

When I go to the search function on this site, I get a virus warning every
time I start a new page. The message is as follows:
"Contains recognition pattern of the HTML/Crypted.Gen HTML script virus".

So has their site been hacked with a virus, or is my virus detection
'over-scrupulous'?

Rose-Marie

From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 19 08:23:09 2009
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:23:09 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Shtetl-Seeker virus?
In-Reply-To: <d813c1fb0911190814j1c1678e1tb653ba247e9bba4e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d813c1fb0911190814j1c1678e1tb653ba247e9bba4e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cf41c0a53bf68.4b050e7d@shaw.ca>

I think it is a problem with your virus detection software or perhaps whatever protection system you may have built into your browser.

I just tried the site here at work (which has very scrupulous virus detection systems) without a problem.


Jerry




----- Original Message -----
From: F&RM Haddad <farose at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:18 am
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Shtetl-Seeker virus?
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org

> This is not exactly off-topic, for many of us use this website 
> to determine
> locations of towns in Germany, Poland & Volhynia.
> 
> When I go to the search function on this site, I get a virus 
> warning every
> time I start a new page. The message is as follows:
> "Contains recognition pattern of the HTML/Crypted.Gen HTML 
> script virus".
> 
> So has their site been hacked with a virus, or is my virus detection
> 'over-scrupulous'?
> 
> Rose-Marie
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
> 

From farose at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 08:22:49 2009
From: farose at gmail.com (F&RM Haddad)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:22:49 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ again
Message-ID: <d813c1fb0911190822h1353997fm34a8e8a1cb697244@mail.gmail.com>

I am looking through the EWZ lists at Odessa3, for residents of the town of
Pulin. There are also places called "Pulinskaja Huta" or "Pulino-Huta",
"Pulino-Gutz", "Pulin rayon", "Pulinskij", and "Rudni Pulin". Are these
various names for the same place? I know that according to Shtetl-seeker,
Pulin is also known as Chervonnoarmeysk, Chervonoarmeysk, and
Chervonoarmiys'k.

Rose-Marie

From colnels at telus.net  Thu Nov 19 08:31:22 2009
From: colnels at telus.net (Nelson Itterman)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:31:22 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Family Tree Maker CD for 2008
Message-ID: <002001ca6935$bb7c5030$3274f090$@net>

Good morning everybody:

Does anyone have a CD for FTM 2008.  I am trying to transfer my Family Trees
from my PC to my new Laptop, and find that they can't be transferred

without the program being there to accept it.

Help please. If you have one can you send it to me via snail mail -
515-10531-90th Street  NW, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada - T5H 4E7. I'll return
it after I use it.

Thanks a bunch.

Nelson


From gary at warnerengineering.com  Thu Nov 19 09:28:16 2009
From: gary at warnerengineering.com (Gary Warner)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:28:16 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Family Tree Maker CD for 2008
In-Reply-To: <002001ca6935$bb7c5030$3274f090$@net>
References: <002001ca6935$bb7c5030$3274f090$@net>
Message-ID: <4B058030.9020406@warnerengineering.com>

Nelson,

The best plan is for you to export your data to a gedcom on your old 
computer and then import it into whatever program you plan on using on 
your new computer.   I would strongly recommend AGAINST using Family 
Tree Maker, as it causes us an immense amount of pain and effort to 
correct the errors that program creates when we import data into our 
SGGEE databases.   My personal favorite is Legacy, but you can also use 
PAF, and there may be others that are also acceptable from the 
standpoint of not causing errors.

Gary Warner

Nelson Itterman wrote:
> Good morning everybody:
>
> Does anyone have a CD for FTM 2008.  I am trying to transfer my Family Trees
> from my PC to my new Laptop, and find that they can't be transferred
>
> without the program being there to accept it.
>
> Help please. If you have one can you send it to me via snail mail -
> 515-10531-90th Street  NW, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada - T5H 4E7. I'll return
> it after I use it.
>
> Thanks a bunch.
>
> Nelson
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From dproper at charter.net  Thu Nov 19 19:12:18 2009
From: dproper at charter.net (Dave Proper)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:12:18 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Genealogy software
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1258660802.18384.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID: <7FA61d00d0R6wX005FAEZm@charter.net>

Nelson,
I switched from FTM to The Master Genealogist (TMG) several years ago and
love the control that it gives me over my data. TMG has a built in
conversion tool called GenBridge that will convert any of the major
genealogy programs with little or no loss of data. Eastman did a review of
it a couple of years ago here:
http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2004/08/genbridge_updat.html
  
Dave Proper


>Nelson,
>
>The best plan is for you to export your data to a gedcom on your old
computer and then import it into whatever program you plan on using on 
>your new computer.   I would strongly recommend AGAINST using Family 
>Tree Maker, as it causes us an immense amount of pain and effort to correct
the errors that program creates when we import data into our 
>SGGEE databases.   My personal favorite is Legacy, but you can also use 
>PAF, and there may be others that are also acceptable from the standpoint
of not causing errors.
>
>Gary Warner
>
>Nelson Itterman wrote:
> Good morning everybody:
>
> Does anyone have a CD for FTM 2008.  I am trying to transfer my Family 
> Trees from my PC to my new Laptop, and find that they can't be 
> transferred
>
> without the program being there to accept it.
>
> Help please. If you have one can you send it to me via snail mail - 
> 515-10531-90th Street  NW, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada - T5H 4E7. I'll 
> return it after I use it.


From kander25 at cableone.net  Fri Nov 20 10:28:52 2009
From: kander25 at cableone.net (kander25@cableone.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:28:52 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name Widoncka
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From joepessarra at suddenlink.net  Fri Nov 20 10:54:50 2009
From: joepessarra at suddenlink.net (joepessarra)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:54:50 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name Widoncka
In-Reply-To: <62190.1258741732@cableone.net>
References: <62190.1258741732@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <001601ca6a12$f0664430$d132cc90$@net>

 

 

From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of
kander25 at cableone.net
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 12:29 PM
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name Widoncka

 

Need help locating this village: Widoncka. 

 I have seen it on 3 different arrival manifests in different years, all
spelled like this. The arrival manifests say Widoncka, Russia, but elsewhere
the family is described as Polish.

Thank you for whatever leads you can provide.

Karen Anderson

You can take a look at ShtetlSeeker at
http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp   and see what the
possibilities are for Poland and Russia, or other eastern European
countries.  Some look to be close to the spelling.  Could not find the exact
spelling of Widoncka.

Would like to take a look at the manifest.  If you could send me the
immigration manifest directly (joepessarra at suddenlink.net) or a reference to
it, I would like to take a look at it.

Joe in Texas


From gary at warnerengineering.com  Fri Nov 20 11:33:38 2009
From: gary at warnerengineering.com (Gary Warner)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:33:38 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name Widoncka
In-Reply-To: <62190.1258741732@cableone.net>
References: <62190.1258741732@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <4B06EF12.1050502@warnerengineering.com>

Karen,

The name on a port of entry document is almost always what the port 
official understood was said, rather than what the person said.   In 
addition, the person who was standing in front of the port official may 
not have been able to spell the place correctly either.   So you usually 
have a significant problem in finding a place based on what is written 
in arrival manifests.

I asked someone who speaks Polish fluently about the place name that you 
mention.  She does not recognize the place name, and says that to be a 
place, it would have to have a word in front of it, since there are no 
place names that end in ska without some additional descriptor.   I do 
not begin to understand Polish, since they conjugate everything, but 
based on the locations that I have seen, they seem to agree with what 
she is saying.   For instance, my grandfather was born in Wola 
Wodzynska, which coincidentally sounds somewhat like the location name 
you mention.   I can find no Polish villages that contains Widon...

The best way for you to get assistance from this group may be for you to 
present who you are looking for with the names and dates of birth, 
marriage or death of an entire family.  

Gary Warner

kander25 at cableone.net wrote:
> Need help locating this village: Widoncka.
>
>  I have seen it on 3 different arrival manifests in different years, 
> all spelled like this. The arrival manifests say Widoncka, Russia, but 
> elsewhere the family is described as Polish.
>
> Thank you for whatever leads you can provide.
>
> Karen Anderson
>
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From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Fri Nov 20 12:19:02 2009
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:19:02 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name Widoncka
In-Reply-To: <62190.1258741732@cableone.net>
References: <62190.1258741732@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <ce9a8f983e730.4b069746@shaw.ca>

Karen,

As others have written, this spelling does not appear to be accurate.? I did a search for that spelling on the Ellis Island site and nothing showed up. 

If you can send a copy of the manifest image to me personally, I will see if I can get a better read on the spelling in context.? If it is on Ellis Island, just provide me with the name and year and I will go there directly myself.


Jerry




----- Original Message -----
From: "kander25 at cableone.net" <kander25 at cableone.net>
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009 11:45 am
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name Widoncka
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org

Need help locating this village: Widoncka. 



?I have seen it on 3 different arrival manifests in different years, all spelled like this. The arrival manifests say Widoncka, Russia, but elsewhere the family is described as Polish.



Thank you for whatever leads you can provide.



Karen Anderson

 
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From rlyster at telusplanet.net  Fri Nov 20 16:31:33 2009
From: rlyster at telusplanet.net (Rita Lyster)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:31:33 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Preuss family
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From joepessarra at suddenlink.net  Sat Nov 21 06:14:04 2009
From: joepessarra at suddenlink.net (joepessarra)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:14:04 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name Widoncka
In-Reply-To: <ce9a8f983e730.4b069746@shaw.ca>
References: <62190.1258741732@cableone.net> <ce9a8f983e730.4b069746@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000001ca6ab4$e2077ec0$a6167c40$@net>

Jerry,

How do you do a search for only a town on the Ellis Island site?  I cannot
see a way to do this.  Every search looks like it needs at least two letters
of the surname.  What am I missing?

Joe in Texas

-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Jerry
Frank
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 2:19 PM
To: kander25 at cableone.net
Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name Widoncka

Karen,

As others have written, this spelling does not appear to be accurate.? I did
a search for that spelling on the Ellis Island site and nothing showed up. 

If you can send a copy of the manifest image to me personally, I will see if
I can get a better read on the spelling in context.? If it is on Ellis
Island, just provide me with the name and year and I will go there directly
myself.


Jerry




----- Original Message -----
From: "kander25 at cableone.net" <kander25 at cableone.net>
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009 11:45 am
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name Widoncka
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org

Need help locating this village: Widoncka. 



?I have seen it on 3 different arrival manifests in different years, all
spelled like this. The arrival manifests say Widoncka, Russia, but elsewhere
the family is described as Polish.



Thank you for whatever leads you can provide.



Karen Anderson

 
Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net

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From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Sat Nov 21 06:50:34 2009
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:50:34 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name Widoncka
In-Reply-To: <000001ca6ab4$e2077ec0$a6167c40$@net>
References: <62190.1258741732@cableone.net> <ce9a8f983e730.4b069746@shaw.ca>
	<000001ca6ab4$e2077ec0$a6167c40$@net>
Message-ID: <4B07FE3A.8060509@shaw.ca>

I use the JewishGen easy search at 
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/ellis.html   using the "search 
New Format" button.

Searching for a town takes a long time if you do not have a surname 
associated with it but it does work if you have lots of patience.


Jerry Frank
Calgary, AB



joepessarra wrote:
> Jerry,
>
> How do you do a search for only a town on the Ellis Island site?  I cannot
> see a way to do this.  Every search looks like it needs at least two letters
> of the surname.  What am I missing?
>
> Joe in Texas
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
> [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Jerry
> Frank
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 2:19 PM
> To: kander25 at cableone.net
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name Widoncka
>
> Karen,
>
> As others have written, this spelling does not appear to be accurate.  I did
> a search for that spelling on the Ellis Island site and nothing showed up. 
>
> If you can send a copy of the manifest image to me personally, I will see if
> I can get a better read on the spelling in context.  If it is on Ellis
> Island, just provide me with the name and year and I will go there directly
> myself.
>
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kander25 at cableone.net" <kander25 at cableone.net>
> Date: Friday, November 20, 2009 11:45 am
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name Widoncka
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>
> Need help locating this village: Widoncka. 
>
>
>
>  I have seen it on 3 different arrival manifests in different years, all
> spelled like this. The arrival manifests say Widoncka, Russia, but elsewhere
> the family is described as Polish.
>
>
>
> Thank you for whatever leads you can provide.
>
>
>
> Karen Anderson
>
>  
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From udo-edelgard at freenet.de  Sat Nov 21 07:17:28 2009
From: udo-edelgard at freenet.de (Edelgard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:17:28 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name Widoncka
References: <62190.1258741732@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <7CDBF5667E5140FD9AF7F52687D225DD@acer747b59264e>

Hello Karen,

maybe it is the following place in southeast Poland:

Widelka

2213 osoby
woj. podkarpackie
pow. kolbuszowski
gmina Kolbuszowa
kod: 36-145
nr rej.: RKL
wsp?lrzedne
szukaj w sieci

http://mapa.szukacz.pl/


Greetings from Germany,

Edelgard





  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: kander25 at cableone.net 
  To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 7:28 PM
  Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name Widoncka


  Need help locating this village: Widoncka. 

   I have seen it on 3 different arrival manifests in different years, all spelled like this. The arrival manifests say Widoncka, Russia, but elsewhere the family is described as Polish.

  Thank you for whatever leads you can provide.

  Karen Anderson


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From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Sat Nov 21 07:58:24 2009
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:58:24 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name Widoncka
In-Reply-To: <7CDBF5667E5140FD9AF7F52687D225DD@acer747b59264e>
References: <62190.1258741732@cableone.net>
	<7CDBF5667E5140FD9AF7F52687D225DD@acer747b59264e>
Message-ID: <4B080E20.2020503@shaw.ca>

Edelgard,

This particular location would have been in Galicia which was ruled by 
Austria, not Russia.

There was another Widelka near Kielce which would have been in Russia.  
That might be a better option.

Keep in mind also that the l in this place name has a slash through it 
which means that the pronunciation is something like Videvka.  That 
seems to digress significantly from the Widoncka spelling which, if 
accurate, would be pronounced something like Vidontska.



Jerry Frank
Calgary, AB



Edelgard Strobel wrote:
> Hello Karen,
>
> maybe it is the following place in southeast Poland:
>
> Widelka
>
> 2213 osoby
> woj. podkarpackie
> pow. kolbuszowski
> gmina Kolbuszowa
> kod: 36-145
> nr rej.: RKL
> wsp?lrzedne
> szukaj w sieci
>
> http://mapa.szukacz.pl/
>
>
> Greetings from Germany,
>
> Edelgard
>
>
>
>
>
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: kander25 at cableone.net 
>   To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
>   Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 7:28 PM
>   Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name Widoncka
>
>
>   Need help locating this village: Widoncka. 
>
>    I have seen it on 3 different arrival manifests in different years, all spelled like this. The arrival manifests say Widoncka, Russia, but elsewhere the family is described as Polish.
>
>   Thank you for whatever leads you can provide.
>
>   Karen Anderson
>
>
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From marlo50 at bex.net  Sat Nov 21 11:03:30 2009
From: marlo50 at bex.net (marlo)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:03:30 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] find village
Message-ID: <05BCACF0502E4D42874B2381F36582AC@margaret46066b>

Joe in Texas asked how to search for a town on the
Ellis Island site.  Has anyone ever looked under the
www.stevemorse.org  site and go to the third item,
the gold form, and you can put in the name of a village and don't have to have the name of the person.   It works. 
I have used it several times and found relatives I 
would never have found because I didn't have a
good name to look for.  Try it.  That is what Steve 
set up this site to do.
Margaret
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From roseingram at shaw.ca  Sat Nov 21 11:31:19 2009
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:31:19 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name Widoncka
References: <62190.1258741732@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <006701ca6ae1$33aa38e0$6601a8c0@duocore>

Karen,

What is the family name you are searching?  When did they arrive in the US, and at what port? 

Rose Ingram
  From: kander25 at cableone.net 


  Need help locating this village: Widoncka. 

   I have seen it on 3 different arrival manifests in different years, all spelled like this. The arrival manifests say Widoncka, Russia, but elsewhere the family is described as Polish.

  Thank you for whatever leads you can provide.

  Karen Anderson


From jjstange at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 11:55:49 2009
From: jjstange at gmail.com (Jim Stange)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:55:49 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] find village
In-Reply-To: <05BCACF0502E4D42874B2381F36582AC@margaret46066b>
References: <05BCACF0502E4D42874B2381F36582AC@margaret46066b>
Message-ID: <77f14bdd0911211155l55e9374dj740e559fe415a90c@mail.gmail.com>

This is excellent!  Thank you for sharing.  The Ellis Island search was
always so limiting.

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 2:03 PM, marlo <marlo50 at bex.net> wrote:

> Joe in Texas asked how to search for a town on the
> Ellis Island site.  Has anyone ever looked under the
> www.stevemorse.org  site and go to the third item,
> the gold form, and you can put in the name of a village and don't have to
> have the name of the person.   It works.
> I have used it several times and found relatives I
> would never have found because I didn't have a
> good name to look for.  Try it.  That is what Steve
> set up this site to do.
> Margaret
>
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From cmduff at redwing.net  Sat Nov 21 13:02:55 2009
From: cmduff at redwing.net (Carol Duff)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:02:55 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] www.stevemorse.org  site
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1258833602.1453.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
References: <mailman.1.1258833602.1453.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID: <4B08557F.8020702@redwing.net>

Sorry for my ignorance, but I could not find a third item, the gold form 
on the www.stevemorse.org site
>   

From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Sat Nov 21 13:16:45 2009
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:16:45 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name Widoncka
In-Reply-To: <63075.1258836487@cableone.net>
References: <63075.1258836487@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <4B0858BD.4080100@shaw.ca>

I am copying this response to the mailing list so others can see names 
you are looking for.  Karen sent me scans of the passenger lists.  I 
believe that the recorded village is either Widomka or Widowka.  Though 
the m/w is not really clear, the rest of the place name is written that 
way on different lists at different times by different hands.

In research of this type, i = y.  The only close match I can find 
anywhere is Wydumka in Volhynia.  There are several in Volhynia. 
- 24 km SW of Luck (Germans known to have lived here)
- 5 km E of Rowno (Germans not known to have lived here)
- 28 km WNW of Zhitomir (Germans known to have lived here)

Having said that, the Leder surname is not common in Volhynia.  Of the 
ten I found:

- one is at Cholosna aka Julianowka, about 6 km E of the last Wydumka 
listed above
- one is at Mossiewka, about 8 km SE of the last Wydumka listed above
- two are at Ludmilowka, about 18 km E of the last Wydumka listed above

Though I could find no specific matches to the people listed below, I 
think there is enough evidence to conclude that this is the correct 
location.


Jerry Frank
Calgary, AB



kander25 at cableone.net wrote:
> Jerry,
>
> Thanks for your offer to look into this. I am attaching  the manifest 
> as pdfs. Family name to look for is Leder,  located at the bottom of 
> the "fred" manifest, and Line 20 on the "Johann" and line 2 on "Anna".
>
> Johann came to ND in 1903, his wife Anna and a child came in 1905, and 
> then Fred and 2 siblings came in 1907.  As you can see, Fred and 
> Johann arrived in Baltimore. Anna arrived in NY.
>
> Seems odd to me that 3 different manifests in three different years in 
> two different ports would misspell the village the same way.
>
> Karen
>
>
>
> On Fri Nov 20 20:19 , Jerry Frank sent:
>
>     Karen,
>
>     As others have written, this spelling does not appear to be
>     accurate.  I did a search for that spelling on the Ellis Island
>     site and nothing showed up.
>
>     If you can send a copy of the manifest image to me personally, I
>     will see if I can get a better read on the spelling in context. 
>     If it is on Ellis Island, just provide me with the name and year
>     and I will go there directly myself.
>
>
>     Jerry
>
>
>
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: "kander25 at cableone.net"
>     Date: Friday, November 20, 2009 11:45 am
>     Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name Widoncka
>     To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>
>     Need help locating this village: Widoncka.
>
>      I have seen it on 3 different arrival manifests in different
>     years, all spelled like this. The arrival manifests say Widoncka,
>     Russia, but elsewhere the family is described as Polish.
>
>     Thank you for whatever leads you can provide.
>
>     Karen Anderson
>
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From joepessarra at suddenlink.net  Sat Nov 21 14:10:32 2009
From: joepessarra at suddenlink.net (joepessarra)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:10:32 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] find village
In-Reply-To: <05BCACF0502E4D42874B2381F36582AC@margaret46066b>
References: <05BCACF0502E4D42874B2381F36582AC@margaret46066b>
Message-ID: <000001ca6af7$71c2d220$55487660$@net>

Margaret,

Thanks for the suggestion.  Dumb me, 10 seconds after I sent the question, I
went on the Steve Morse site, and found what you suggest. The site is so
full of choices, I had missed it the first time.

Thanks again.

Joe in Texas 

-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of marlo
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 1:04 PM
To: Ger-Pol-Vol group
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] find village

Joe in Texas asked how to search for a town on the Ellis Island site.  Has
anyone ever looked under the www.stevemorse.org  site and go to the third
item,
the gold form, and you can put in the name of a village and don't have to
have the name of the person.   It works. 
I have used it several times and found relatives I would never have found
because I didn't have a good name to look for.  Try it.  That is what Steve
set up this site to do.
Margaret


From joepessarra at suddenlink.net  Sat Nov 21 14:37:21 2009
From: joepessarra at suddenlink.net (joepessarra)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:37:21 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] www.stevemorse.org  site
In-Reply-To: <4B08557F.8020702@redwing.net>
References: <mailman.1.1258833602.1453.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
	<4B08557F.8020702@redwing.net>
Message-ID: <000101ca6afb$307ca0d0$9175e270$@net>

Carol,

The gold form is the third listing under Ellis Island Search Forms and Ship
Arrivals.  Actually, the white form which is the second listing will work
for finding a town.

Joe in Texas

-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Carol
Duff
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 3:03 PM
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] www.stevemorse.org site

Sorry for my ignorance, but I could not find a third item, the gold form 
on the www.stevemorse.org site
>   

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From kander25 at cableone.net  Sat Nov 21 16:27:10 2009
From: kander25 at cableone.net (kander25@cableone.net)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:27:10 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name Widoncka
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From karlann at juno.com  Sat Nov 21 18:54:45 2009
From: karlann at juno.com (karlann@juno.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:54:45 GMT
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Re Village name Widoncka
Message-ID: <20091121.185445.10926.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>



You don't mention the dates for the three arrival manifests or where "elsewhere" the family is described as Polish rather than as Russian. Their ethnicity might be Polish even if at the same time the village of origin is described as "Russia," since most of Poland was absorbed into Russia for most of the 1800's until World War I ended in 1918. If the family is described as "Polish" in other records, they were probably ethnic Poles. Many of us have ancestors who were ethnic Germans living in either Russia or Poland, and such groups are not commonly described as "Polish" even if they were born in areas known now to lie in Poland.

Karla Walters


Need help locating this village: Widoncka. 

 I have seen it on 3 different arrival manifests in different years, all
spelled like this. The arrival manifests say Widoncka, Russia, but elsewhere
the family is described as Polish.

Thank you for whatever leads you can provide.

Karen Anderson



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From thejoneses at shaw.ca  Sun Nov 22 12:33:51 2009
From: thejoneses at shaw.ca (Carol Jones)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:33:51 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Pitschelowka
Message-ID: <5DEE553612C043EF83469E5CBA3B76DE@GENE>

Where is Pitschelowka or Petchelufke, Volhynia, please?

Carol Jones

From thejoneses at shaw.ca  Sun Nov 22 13:55:05 2009
From: thejoneses at shaw.ca (Carol Jones)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:55:05 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Pitschelowka
References: <1048604217@web.de>
Message-ID: <B22802CE49DC4F48A334B8EBD90ED322@GENE>

Yes, Ansgar, I see it .... thank you!

I guess now I'll have to update my copies of Jerry's maps dated 2000, and 
also get a Kostopol map.

Much appreciated.
Carol


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <My_Family at web.de>
To: "Carol Jones" <thejoneses at shaw.ca>
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Pitschelowka


Hello Carol

Pieczalowka  is north east of  Kostopol and belongs in the year 1872 to the 
church district of Shitomir, and til 1888 to the district of Tutschin

Have a look  http://forum.wolhynien.net/forum_entry.php?id=7314

There you will find a link to a map

regards from Germany

Ansgar

.> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: "Carol Jones" <thejoneses at shaw.ca>
> Gesendet: 22.11.09 21:36:01
> An: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Betreff: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Pitschelowka


> Where is Pitschelowka or Petchelufke, Volhynia, please?
>
> Carol Jones
>
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From Hannes.Werner at online.de  Tue Nov 24 15:09:48 2009
From: Hannes.Werner at online.de (Hannes Werner)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:09:48 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Pitschelowka
References: <5DEE553612C043EF83469E5CBA3B76DE@GENE>
Message-ID: <000e01ca6d5b$38a9e3f0$14b2a8c0@end2000>

Hello Carol,

the following link leads to another map of the Kostopol surroundings:

http://wolyn.ovh.org/

then on the right side: Okolice Kostopola
Then: click into the map Kostopol
Scroll down and you'll find "Pieczalowka" northeast of Kostopol 
(and some other interesting places...).

Hannes W.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carol Jones" <thejoneses at shaw.ca>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 9:33 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Pitschelowka


> Where is Pitschelowka or Petchelufke, Volhynia, please?
> 
> Carol Jones
> 
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From roseingram at shaw.ca  Tue Nov 24 17:12:22 2009
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:12:22 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wilhelm Althausen
Message-ID: <002101ca6d6c$57d71750$6601a8c0@duocore>

The following message was received at one of the SGGEE addresses.

Basically, R?diger is asking if we have any information on a Wilhelm Althausen. It sounds like he read about him somewhere from SGGEE in the timeframe 1933-1945. He is even more interested in Wilhelm's father Ernst.

      If anyone can help him please write to him directly at ruediger.schaefer at online.de 

      Rose Ingram, SGGEE 



From: ruediger.schaefer at online.de 
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:32 AM
Subject: Wilhelm Althausen


Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

ich w?re ihnen sehr verbunden wenn sie mir von Wilhelm Althausen eine Anschrift zukommen lassen k?nnten, da ich hier vor Ort ?ber Schicksale von Menschen zwischen 1933 und 1945 recherchiere, w?rde ich gern von Herrn Althausen auch noch etwas mehr ?ber seinen Vater Ernst Althausen Pfarrer erfahren m?gen.

Mit freundlichen Gr??en

R?diger Sch?fer


From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Tue Nov 24 17:40:58 2009
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:40:58 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wilhelm Althausen
In-Reply-To: <002101ca6d6c$57d71750$6601a8c0@duocore>
References: <002101ca6d6c$57d71750$6601a8c0@duocore>
Message-ID: <4B0C8B2A.6060806@shaw.ca>

Ernst Althausen was a pastor in Tucshyn and Rowno parishes of Volhynia.  
He made a trip to Canada, touring various churches in Manitoba and 
Saskatchewan (I think) in the 1920s or so to try to raise money to help 
the Germans who remained in Volhynia after WW I.

Jerry Frank
Calgary, AB



Rose Ingram wrote:
> The following message was received at one of the SGGEE addresses.
>
> Basically, R?diger is asking if we have any information on a Wilhelm Althausen. It sounds like he read about him somewhere from SGGEE in the timeframe 1933-1945. He is even more interested in Wilhelm's father Ernst.
>
>       If anyone can help him please write to him directly at ruediger.schaefer at online.de 
>
>       Rose Ingram, SGGEE 
>
>
>
> From: ruediger.schaefer at online.de 
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:32 AM
> Subject: Wilhelm Althausen
>
>
> Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
>
> ich w?re ihnen sehr verbunden wenn sie mir von Wilhelm Althausen eine Anschrift zukommen lassen k?nnten, da ich hier vor Ort ?ber Schicksale von Menschen zwischen 1933 und 1945 recherchiere, w?rde ich gern von Herrn Althausen auch noch etwas mehr ?ber seinen Vater Ernst Althausen Pfarrer erfahren m?gen.
>
> Mit freundlichen Gr??en
>
> R?diger Sch?fer
>
>
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From albertmuth at aol.com  Tue Nov 24 19:53:27 2009
From: albertmuth at aol.com (albertmuth@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:53:27 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Baranowo
Message-ID: <8CC3B99FA8E39FF-1E28-5E72@webmail-m010.sysops.aol.com>

I have a town Baranowo occuring in Sompolno parish records in the birth
records that I cannot identify  Sompolno is one of the Westernmost
parishes of Russian Poland, it is adjacent to the border with Prussia
in the 19th century, about 12 miles or so SE of Kruschwitz (Kruszwica)
and Strelno (Strzelno), if that helps fix its location.


Shtetlseeker shows nothing close (it needs to be perhaps under ten miles away)
and neither does the online S?ownik geograficzny Kr?lestwa Polskiego 
i innych kraj?w s?owia?skich


Any help pinpointing Baranowo is appreciated.


al

From ra_stein at telus.net  Tue Nov 24 20:10:34 2009
From: ra_stein at telus.net (Richard Stein)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:10:34 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Baranowo
In-Reply-To: <8CC3B99FA8E39FF-1E28-5E72@webmail-m010.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC3B99FA8E39FF-1E28-5E72@webmail-m010.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <E64B50C2A9B348F284FF68A5CE0FC28A@RichardPC>

Al,
Baranowo is shown on Jerry Frank's map just a few km to the northwest of 
Sompolno, very near Wilcza Kloda.
Dick Stein

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <albertmuth at aol.com>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:53 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Baranowo


>I have a town Baranowo occuring in Sompolno parish records in the birth
> records that I cannot identify  Sompolno is one of the Westernmost
> parishes of Russian Poland, it is adjacent to the border with Prussia
> in the 19th century, about 12 miles or so SE of Kruschwitz (Kruszwica)
> and Strelno (Strzelno), if that helps fix its location.
>
>
> Shtetlseeker shows nothing close (it needs to be perhaps under ten miles 
> away)
> and neither does the online S?ownik geograficzny Kr?lestwa Polskiego
> i innych kraj?w s?owia?skich
>
>
> Any help pinpointing Baranowo is appreciated.
>
>
> al
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
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From albertmuth at aol.com  Tue Nov 24 20:16:04 2009
From: albertmuth at aol.com (albertmuth@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:16:04 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Baranowo
In-Reply-To: <E64B50C2A9B348F284FF68A5CE0FC28A@RichardPC>
References: <8CC3B99FA8E39FF-1E28-5E72@webmail-m010.sysops.aol.com>
	<E64B50C2A9B348F284FF68A5CE0FC28A@RichardPC>
Message-ID: <8CC3B9D23CEAEFF-1E28-61E0@webmail-m010.sysops.aol.com>

Well, duh!  I guess I should have started there.


Thanks.


al



-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Stein <ra_stein at telus.net>
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org; albertmuth at aol.com
Sent: Tue, Nov 24, 2009 11:10 pm
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Baranowo


Al, 
Baranowo is shown on Jerry Frank's map just a few km to the northwest of Sompolno, very near Wilcza Kloda. 
Dick Stein 
 
----- Original Message ----- From: <albertmuth at aol.com> 
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:53 PM 
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Baranowo 
 
>I have a town Baranowo occuring in Sompolno parish records in the birth 
> records that I cannot identify  Sompolno is one of the Westernmost 
> parishes of Russian Poland, it is adjacent to the border with Prussia 
> in the 19th century, about 12 miles or so SE of Kruschwitz (Kruszwica) 
> and Strelno (Strzelno), if that helps fix its location. 
> 
> 
> Shtetlseeker shows nothing close (it needs to be perhaps under ten miles > away) 
> and neither does the online S?ownik geograficzny Kr?lestwa Polskiego 
> i innych kraj?w s?owia?skich 
> 
> 
> Any help pinpointing Baranowo is appreciated. 
> 
> 
> al 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by 
> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org 
> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv 
 

From JibeHo22 at comcast.net  Tue Nov 24 21:43:57 2009
From: JibeHo22 at comcast.net (R. Marks)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:43:57 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Russian Lutheran Church books on
	familysearch.org
Message-ID: <6F827C9C43F94B3B87FBE99A48288E6C@whoareyou>

 

 

 

Hi:

Some months ago I was able to view online records of Russian Lutheran Church
books on familysearch.org.

I used this link in the past to access these books:

http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=3;c=1469151;w=
4653

I need to search for the birth record of Gustav Marks (born 1881 or 1882).

However, this link no longer provides access to these books, and I have been
unable to find a new link to access these books.

Does anybody have an alternate means to access these books online?

 

Surnames of interest: Marks, Kirsch, Blessener, Toennes, Hauser, Winter

 

Thanks,

Randy Marks

 

 


From roseingram at shaw.ca  Tue Nov 24 22:50:50 2009
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:50:50 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Russian Lutheran Church books
	on	familysearch.org
References: <6F827C9C43F94B3B87FBE99A48288E6C@whoareyou>
Message-ID: <002401ca6d9b$a03162b0$6601a8c0@duocore>

Randy,

I think they have changed some links.

>From the Home Page of http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp
click 'See prototype for searching millions of records' at the bottom left.

Next page click "Browse our record collections on the left.

Next page click Asia and Middle East on the map, next page will have the main link to all the records under Russia Lutheran Church Book Duplicates.

Rose Ingram
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: R. Marks 
  To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:43 PM
  Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Russian Lutheran Church books on familysearch.org




   

   

  Hi:

  Some months ago I was able to view online records of Russian Lutheran Church
  books on familysearch.org.

  I used this link in the past to access these books:

  http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=3;c=1469151;w=
  4653

  I need to search for the birth record of Gustav Marks (born 1881 or 1882).

  However, this link no longer provides access to these books, and I have been
  unable to find a new link to access these books.

  Does anybody have an alternate means to access these books online?

   

  Surnames of interest: Marks, Kirsch, Blessener, Toennes, Hauser, Winter

   

  Thanks,

  Randy Marks

   

   


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From wjmilner at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 25 08:29:23 2009
From: wjmilner at shaw.ca (Jack Milner)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:29:23 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wilhelm Althausen
In-Reply-To: <4B0C8B2A.6060806@shaw.ca>
References: <002101ca6d6c$57d71750$6601a8c0@duocore> <4B0C8B2A.6060806@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <4B0D5B63.6070303@shaw.ca>

R?diger

Besuchen Sie diese Website f?r mehr Informationen:


http://wiki.wolhynien.net/index.php/ALTHAUSEN,_Ernst

Mit freundlichen Gr??en

Jack Milner



Jerry Frank wrote:

>Ernst Althausen was a pastor in Tucshyn and Rowno parishes of Volhynia.  
>He made a trip to Canada, touring various churches in Manitoba and 
>Saskatchewan (I think) in the 1920s or so to try to raise money to help 
>the Germans who remained in Volhynia after WW I.
>
>Jerry Frank
>Calgary, AB
>
>
>
>Rose Ingram wrote:
>  
>
>>The following message was received at one of the SGGEE addresses.
>>
>>Basically, R?diger is asking if we have any information on a Wilhelm Althausen. It sounds like he read about him somewhere from SGGEE in the timeframe 1933-1945. He is even more interested in Wilhelm's father Ernst.
>>
>>      If anyone can help him please write to him directly at ruediger.schaefer at online.de 
>>
>>      Rose Ingram, SGGEE 
>>
>>
>>
>>From: ruediger.schaefer at online.de 
>>Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:32 AM
>>Subject: Wilhelm Althausen
>>
>>
>>Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
>>
>>ich w?re ihnen sehr verbunden wenn sie mir von Wilhelm Althausen eine Anschrift zukommen lassen k?nnten, da ich hier vor Ort ?ber Schicksale von Menschen zwischen 1933 und 1945 recherchiere, w?rde ich gern von Herrn Althausen auch noch etwas mehr ?ber seinen Vater Ernst Althausen Pfarrer erfahren m?gen.
>>
>>Mit freundlichen Gr??en
>>
>>R?diger Sch?fer
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
>>Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
>>Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
>>    
>>
>
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From FoxeGenie at aol.com  Sat Nov 28 19:44:43 2009
From: FoxeGenie at aol.com (FoxeGenie@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:44:43 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name of Pinelwatki, Russia
Message-ID: <c01.71f96fa3.3843482b@aol.com>

Does anyone recognize the village/town name of Pinelwatkia, Russia? In 1906 
 Adelgunde Spitz immigrated to Ellis Island at age 16 years old. The 
village name  tha family was from was Pechratka, Russia, is now Pechratka, Poland 
near Ostrow  Mazowiecki, south of Lomza.  
 
Geneen Giberson

From joepessarra at suddenlink.net  Sat Nov 28 20:17:31 2009
From: joepessarra at suddenlink.net (joepessarra)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:17:31 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name of Pinelwatki, Russia
In-Reply-To: <c01.71f96fa3.3843482b@aol.com>
References: <c01.71f96fa3.3843482b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000101ca70aa$deb84550$9c28cff0$@net>



-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of
FoxeGenie at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 9:45 PM
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name of Pinelwatki, Russia

Does anyone recognize the village/town name of Pinelwatkia, Russia? In 1906 
 Adelgunde Spitz immigrated to Ellis Island at age 16 years old. The 
village name  tha family was from was Pechratka, Russia, is now Pechratka,
Poland 
near Ostrow  Mazowiecki, south of Lomza.  
 
Geneen Giberson

_______________________________________________

ShtetlSeeker at  has the following town which might be "Pinelwatkia" in
Russia.

Pinelakhta, Kinelakhta, Kniyelakhta populated place 61?23' N 32?37' E  E M U
G Russia  428.3 miles NNW of Moskva 55?45' N 37?37' E

Pechratka, Poland has the following info on ShtetlSeeker.

P?chratka populated place 52?52' N 22?05' E  E M U G Poland  62.3 miles NE
of Warszawa 52?15' N 21?0' E

However, Pechratka is about 700 miles from Pinelakhta.  So Pinelakhta may
not be the town.  Will do some more looking.

There is a town of Piwatki, Poland, that is about 150 miles southwest of
Pechratka.

Joe in Texas



From joepessarra at suddenlink.net  Sun Nov 29 04:57:18 2009
From: joepessarra at suddenlink.net (joepessarra)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 06:57:18 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name of Pinelwatki, Russia
In-Reply-To: <000101ca70aa$deb84550$9c28cff0$@net>
References: <c01.71f96fa3.3843482b@aol.com>
	<000101ca70aa$deb84550$9c28cff0$@net>
Message-ID: <000901ca70f3$7bd438b0$737caa10$@net>




_______________________________________________

ShtetlSeeker at  has the following town which might be "Pinelwatkia" in
Russia.

Pinelakhta, Kinelakhta, Kniyelakhta populated place 61?23' N 32?37' E  E M U
G Russia  428.3 miles NNW of Moskva 55?45' N 37?37' E

Pechratka, Poland has the following info on ShtetlSeeker.

P?chratka populated place 52?52' N 22?05' E  E M U G Poland  62.3 miles NE
of Warszawa 52?15' N 21?0' E

However, Pechratka is about 700 miles from Pinelakhta.  So Pinelakhta may
not be the town.  Will do some more looking.

There is a town of Piwatki, Poland, that is about 150 miles southwest of
Pechratka.

Joe in Texas
======================================================================

Sorry, forgot to add the URL for ShtetlSeeker.  It is
http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp

Joe in Texas



From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Sun Nov 29 05:35:25 2009
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 06:35:25 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name of Pinelwatki, Russia
In-Reply-To: <c01.71f96fa3.3843482b@aol.com>
References: <c01.71f96fa3.3843482b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B12789D.7060905@shaw.ca>

Geneen,

I looked at the original Ellis Island record and Pinelwatkia is a very 
poorly extracted attempt at what is written there.

I believe the place name should be something like P---walki (compare for 
example to passenger #13 who is from Suwalki).  The P at the beginning 
seems correct given how it is written with some other surnames and in 
Pittsburgh but I am not 100% certain.  Given that the loop on the d is 
not closed in other words (Adelgunde, Leopold, etc.) I would further 
guess at P--dwalki.

I did a search with ShtetlSeeker for all place names in Poland and some 
other countries containing "walki" and did not come up with a viable 
match.  Poland is the only country with places that have that suffix.  
There is a Powalki but it is not in what would have been Russia and the 
letters, in my opinion, do not fit.  Perhaps others on the list can give 
it a try.



Jerry Frank
Calgary, AB



FoxeGenie at aol.com wrote:
> Does anyone recognize the village/town name of Pinelwatkia, Russia? In 1906 
>  Adelgunde Spitz immigrated to Ellis Island at age 16 years old. The 
> village name  tha family was from was Pechratka, Russia, is now Pechratka, Poland 
> near Ostrow  Mazowiecki, south of Lomza.  
>  
> Geneen Giberson
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
>
>   

From kander25 at cableone.net  Sun Nov 29 17:55:17 2009
From: kander25 at cableone.net (kander25@cableone.net)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:55:17 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name of Pinelwatki, Russia
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From FoxeGenie at aol.com  Sun Nov 29 16:36:07 2009
From: FoxeGenie at aol.com (FoxeGenie@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:36:07 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name of Pinelwatki,
	Russia (Spitz family)
Message-ID: <ca5.5024a6ee.38446d77@aol.com>

First, thank you all for trying to locate this village and the name itself. 
 There are many Passenger records that are hard to read. I am using Ellis 
Island  site and working alone trying to make out letters and names and its 
not easy  sometimes, but I am getting the experience.  I spent a few hours 
today  going over some information I had for the Spitz family that were from  ?
Pechratka? Russia. Here is an example of trying to find an Immigration 
record  for a Leopold Spitz. On a census, it told me that he immigrated in 1904 
but he  actually immigrated on Dec. 22, 1903 and his name was entered as ?
Sjitz?, so it  took me awhile to find him. Just to let everybody know it is 
possible to have  records reviewed and changed from a mistaken transcription 
as I have done with  my G-Grandfather Alexander Strandt?s record thru Ellis 
Island. There is a place  to email them and in doing so, told them who I was, 
gave them the right spelling  and they sent me a quick response telling me 
they would review the record.  Another quick email after review and they 
changed the ?Stranot? to ?Strandt?. I  don?t know if its that easy with other 
changes but if one knows the correct  information, then changes can make 
world of difference. In this particular  record for Eduard Spitz from 
Pinelwatki, I am stumped on the location but would  not be surprised if ?Pinelwatki?
 was really ?Pechratka?. On another brother?s  Immigration record for 
Christian Spitz, the record says Pingrsdka but his  military clarifies he 
immigrated from Pechratka and he also listed his brother  Leopold Spitz, who lived 
within a couple of blocks from each other in New  Jersey. Another 
transcription with the spelling of ?Paul ratka? for the  village of Pechratka. I 
also came across another record for a probable sister  but there are a couple 
of names I can not make out. Are there any  volunteers in the SGGEE Society 
(of which I am a member) who might help me with  trying to figure out a 
couple of  words? The girl?s name is Allertina Spitz  (could be Albertina) and 
she immigrated on Dec. 26, 1900 with her Aunt Maryann  Tisch? The Immigration 
record says ?Penkrvdko? but I think it must be  ?Pechratka?. Maryann?s 
brother L. Kremring? is waiting. Three lines down another  relative Karl 
Kremring is with them. For Emilia, I can not make out if it says  ?kin?? 
 
Geneen Giberson

From hgillespie at rogers.com  Sun Nov 29 17:56:25 2009
From: hgillespie at rogers.com (Helen Gillespie)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:56:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wilhelm Althausen
In-Reply-To: <4B0D5B63.6070303@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <695690.38243.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

A copy of Ernst Althausen's book 

Reisebeschreibung aus Wolhynien und Canada : Tagebuchbl?tter des Ernst Althausen -- Winnipeg : Deutsche Buchhandlung, 1921. -- 40 p. : port. ; 22 cm.. -- AMICUS No. 23814599

is found in the U. of Saskatchewan library in Saskatoon.  Assuming someone would like to borrow it on Interlibrary Loan (ILL) or go and have a quick read - it`s only 40 pages.  It`s a journal of his Wolhynia to Canada trip and curiously, published in Winnipeg.

Helen

--- On Wed, 11/25/09, Jack Milner <wjmilner at shaw.ca> wrote:

> From: Jack Milner <wjmilner at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wilhelm Althausen
> To: "Jerry Frank" <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
> Cc: "Rose Ingram" <roseingram at shaw.ca>, "GPV List" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 4:29 PM
> R?diger
> 
> Besuchen Sie diese Website f?r mehr Informationen:
> 
> 
> http://wiki.wolhynien.net/index.php/ALTHAUSEN,_Ernst
> 
> Mit freundlichen Gr??en
> 
> Jack Milner
> 
> 
> 
> Jerry Frank wrote:
> 
> >Ernst Althausen was a pastor in Tucshyn and Rowno
> parishes of Volhynia.? 
> >He made a trip to Canada, touring various churches in
> Manitoba and 
> >Saskatchewan (I think) in the 1920s or so to try to
> raise money to help 
> >the Germans who remained in Volhynia after WW I.
> >
> >Jerry Frank
> >Calgary, AB
> >
> >
> >
> >Rose Ingram wrote:
> >? 
> >
> >>The following message was received at one of the
> SGGEE addresses.
> >>
> >>Basically, R?diger is asking if we have any
> information on a Wilhelm Althausen. It sounds like he read
> about him somewhere from SGGEE in the timeframe 1933-1945.
> He is even more interested in Wilhelm's father Ernst.
> >>
> >>? ? ? If anyone can help him please
> write to him directly at ruediger.schaefer at online.de
> 
> >>
> >>? ? ? Rose Ingram, SGGEE 
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>From: ruediger.schaefer at online.de
> 
> >>Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:32 AM
> >>Subject: Wilhelm Althausen
> >>
> >>
> >>Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
> >>
> >>ich w?re ihnen sehr verbunden wenn sie mir von
> Wilhelm Althausen eine Anschrift zukommen lassen k?nnten,
> da ich hier vor Ort ?ber Schicksale von Menschen zwischen
> 1933 und 1945 recherchiere, w?rde ich gern von Herrn
> Althausen auch noch etwas mehr ?ber seinen Vater Ernst
> Althausen Pfarrer erfahren m?gen.
> >>
> >>Mit freundlichen Gr??en
> >>
> >>R?diger Sch?fer
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
> >>Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> >>Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
> >>? ? 
> >>
> >
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From Krampetz at aol.com  Sun Nov 29 20:08:11 2009
From: Krampetz at aol.com (Krampetz@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:08:11 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EI  Was:  Village name of Pinelwatki,
	Russia (Spitz family)
Message-ID: <bdb.52173f83.38449f2b@aol.com>

Who are you writing to at Ellis Island?   To have errors  corrected?
I've used the ID on their web page (_historycenter at ellisisland.org_ 
(mailto:historycenter at ellisisland.org) )
a few times in the past and have never gotten a response.    
I wrote some days ago how several of the records I went to are 
pointing to the wrong ship manifests, and again - no reply.
 
Bob.
 
 
In a message dated 11/29/2009 4:40:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
FoxeGenie at aol.com writes:

First,  thank you all for trying to locate this village and the name 
itself. 
There  are many Passenger records that are hard to read. I am using Ellis  
Island  site and working alone trying to make out letters and names  and 
its 
not easy  sometimes, but I am getting the experience.  I  spent a few hours 
today  going over some information I had for the  Spitz family that were 
from  ?
Pechratka? Russia. Here is an example  of trying to find an Immigration 
record  for a Leopold Spitz. On a  census, it told me that he immigrated in 
1904 
but he  actually  immigrated on Dec. 22, 1903 and his name was entered as ?
Sjitz?, so  it  took me awhile to find him. Just to let everybody know it 
is  
possible to have  records reviewed and changed from a mistaken  
transcription 
as I have done with  my G-Grandfather Alexander  Strandt?s record thru 
Ellis 
Island. There is a place  to email them  and in doing so, told them who I 
was, 
gave them the right spelling   and they sent me a quick response telling me 
they would review the  record.  Another quick email after review and they 
changed the  ?Stranot? to ?Strandt?. I  don?t know if its that easy with 
other  
changes but if one knows the correct  information, then changes can  make 
world of difference. In this particular  record for Eduard Spitz  from 
Pinelwatki, I am stumped on the location but would  not be  surprised if ?
Pinelwatki?
was really ?Pechratka?. On another  brother?s  Immigration record for 
Christian Spitz, the record says  Pingrsdka but his  military clarifies he 
immigrated from Pechratka  and he also listed his brother  Leopold Spitz, 
who lived 
within a  couple of blocks from each other in New  Jersey. Another  
transcription with the spelling of ?Paul ratka? for the  village of  
Pechratka. I 
also came across another record for a probable sister   but there are a 
couple 
of names I can not make out. Are there any   volunteers in the SGGEE 
Society 
(of which I am a member) who might help me  with  trying to figure out a 
couple of  words? The girl?s name  is Allertina Spitz  (could be Albertina) 
and 
she immigrated on Dec.  26, 1900 with her Aunt Maryann  Tisch? The 
Immigration 
record says  ?Penkrvdko? but I think it must be  ?Pechratka?. Maryann?s 
brother L.  Kremring? is waiting. Three lines down another  relative Karl  
Kremring is with them. For Emilia, I can not make out if it says   ?kin?? 

Geneen  Giberson

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From FoxeGenie at aol.com  Sun Nov 29 21:15:57 2009
From: FoxeGenie at aol.com (FoxeGenie@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 00:15:57 EST
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ellis Island Record Transcripts corrected
Message-ID: <d40.56a46529.3844af0d@aol.com>

Hi Bob
 
The web site _www.ellisisland.org_ (http://www.ellisisland.org)   contains 
a contact information under "About us" or at the bottom of the page, so  I 
took my first step. Yes, it is the same address you used. I remember you  
saying that you had some problems also. However, they will only check the  
suggested correction against the original manifest and change only those  that 
resulted from errors in transcription.  No changes can be made to the  
information contained in the original ship manifest which is a historical  
document and part of the federal historic record.  Maybe the problem you  are 
talking about is more than a transcript problem but I think they should have  
responded regardless. Maybe sending one suggestion at a time with the outlined  
problem and record number.  
 
Geneen Giberson


From roseingram at shaw.ca  Sun Nov 29 22:47:04 2009
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:47:04 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name of Pinelwatki,
	Russia (Spitz family)
References: <ca5.5024a6ee.38446d77@aol.com>
Message-ID: <008101ca7188$ed436b70$6601a8c0@duocore>

Geneen,

I used Ancestry.com for my searches.  The transcriptions of many of the villages on Ellis Island databases and Ancestry for that matter are ALWAYS suspect.  

I finally found Eduard and Adelgunde on the 1906 Manifest under the surname Seitz.  Not sure how the transcribers got an "e' out of the "p".
My guess at what is written as last place of residence shown for these two is Pendwatki. (A misunderstanding of Pendratke??)

I found Lopold Spitz age 18 arriving in Dec. 1903.  My guess at the written last place of residence appears to be Paschrafka.

Christian Spitz age 16 arrived in April 1906.  I would guess the written  last place of residence is Pingradka.

Albertina Spitz age 17 who arrived with her aunt Maryanna Tisch in December 1900, seems to given last place of residence as Penkrodko.

Given that the people drawing up the manifests are not familiar with these villages and/or the documentation provided for the manifest may have had the villages spelled incorrectly or unreadable, I think I see a definite pattern for the the village name, except for Leopold's residence which is a bit off. 

If your family was from Pe~chratka all of the above makes sense.  The diacritics on the letter "e" would sound like "an" or "en" hence written out as such on the manifests..  

Rose Ingram
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  Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name of Pinelwatki,Russia (Spitz family)


  First, thank you all for trying to locate this village and the name itself. 
   There are many Passenger records that are hard to read. I am using Ellis 
  Island  site and working alone trying to make out letters and names and its 
  not easy  sometimes, but I am getting the experience.  I spent a few hours 
  today  going over some information I had for the Spitz family that were from  ?
  Pechratka? Russia. Here is an example of trying to find an Immigration 
  record  for a Leopold Spitz. On a census, it told me that he immigrated in 1904 
  but he  actually immigrated on Dec. 22, 1903 and his name was entered as ?
  Sjitz?, so it  took me awhile to find him. Just to let everybody know it is 
  possible to have  records reviewed and changed from a mistaken transcription 
  as I have done with  my G-Grandfather Alexander Strandt?s record thru Ellis 
  Island. There is a place  to email them and in doing so, told them who I was, 
  gave them the right spelling  and they sent me a quick response telling me 
  they would review the record.  Another quick email after review and they 
  changed the ?Stranot? to ?Strandt?. I  don?t know if its that easy with other 
  changes but if one knows the correct  information, then changes can make 
  world of difference. In this particular  record for Eduard Spitz from 
  Pinelwatki, I am stumped on the location but would  not be surprised if ?Pinelwatki?
   was really ?Pechratka?. On another brother?s  Immigration record for 
  Christian Spitz, the record says Pingrsdka but his  military clarifies he 
  immigrated from Pechratka and he also listed his brother  Leopold Spitz, who lived 
  within a couple of blocks from each other in New  Jersey. Another 
  transcription with the spelling of ?Paul ratka? for the  village of Pechratka. I 
  also came across another record for a probable sister  but there are a couple 
  of names I can not make out. Are there any  volunteers in the SGGEE Society 
  (of which I am a member) who might help me with  trying to figure out a 
  couple of  words? The girl?s name is Allertina Spitz  (could be Albertina) and 
  she immigrated on Dec. 26, 1900 with her Aunt Maryann  Tisch? The Immigration 
  record says ?Penkrvdko? but I think it must be  ?Pechratka?. Maryann?s 
  brother L. Kremring? is waiting. Three lines down another  relative Karl 
  Kremring is with them. For Emilia, I can not make out if it says  ?kin?? 
   
  Geneen Giberson

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From Earl.Schultz at telusplanet.net  Sun Nov 29 22:55:20 2009
From: Earl.Schultz at telusplanet.net (Earl.Schultz)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:55:20 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name of Pinelwatki, Russia
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1259524803.22125.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
References: <mailman.1.1259524803.22125.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID: <000001ca718a$1560ee60$4022cb20$@Schultz@telusplanet.net>

I took a look at the original record and enhanced it.  The first letter is
likely a P although the S is similar but with only 1/2 a circle at the top.
The 2nd letter looks like an 'm' to me.  See 'maid' as an example but I also
see an 'ru' that is similar.  The ending is clearly 'walki' to me.  Jerry's
'd' is uncertain to me but a good guess.

I tried Prudwalki in ShtetlSeeker and came up with Prud Velikiy in Russia
which would have a similar sound I would think tho' not exact.

Earl

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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 06:35:25 -0700
From: Jerry Frank <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Village name of Pinelwatki, Russia
To: FoxeGenie at aol.com
Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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Geneen,

I looked at the original Ellis Island record and Pinelwatkia is a very 
poorly extracted attempt at what is written there.

I believe the place name should be something like P---walki (compare for 
example to passenger #13 who is from Suwalki).  The P at the beginning 
seems correct given how it is written with some other surnames and in 
Pittsburgh but I am not 100% certain.  Given that the loop on the d is 
not closed in other words (Adelgunde, Leopold, etc.) I would further 
guess at P--dwalki.

I did a search with ShtetlSeeker for all place names in Poland and some 
other countries containing "walki" and did not come up with a viable 
match.  Poland is the only country with places that have that suffix.  
There is a Powalki but it is not in what would have been Russia and the 
letters, in my opinion, do not fit.  Perhaps others on the list can give 
it a try.



Jerry Frank
Calgary, AB