From marzinke at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar  1 07:05:44 2009
From: marzinke at sbcglobal.net (Walter Marzinke)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:05:44 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Location of Moronesch, Russia
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In our family EWZ52 records I found the name of "Moronesch" Russia as the 
location of my mother's family from 1915 through 1918?
I am wondering if anyone has come accross that name and as to where it is 
located or anything on how the people from Rovno, Zdolbunow areas where 
transported there.
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>   1. older map site (James Murphy)
>   2. Re: DREGER, MEISSNER, WENDLAND, MILBRADT and ZYRARDOW
>      (MIKE MCHENRY)
>   3. Re: older map site (MIKE MCHENRY)
>   4. Dreger (Carol Duff)
>   5. Re: DREGER, MEISSNER, WENDLAND, MILBRADT and ZYRARDOW
>      (Jerry Frank)
>   6. Re: DREGER, MEISSNER, WENDLAND, MILBRADT and ZYRARDOW
>      (joepessarra)
>   7. Help from the experts! (Beth Burke)
>   8. Re: Help from the experts! (joepessarra)
>   9. Re: Help from the experts! (Karl Krueger)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:43:07 -0500
> From: "James Murphy" <jfcmurphy at ntcnet.com>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] older map site
> To: "German-Poland" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
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> To Janine & Delores,
> This is a website that gives older maps of Europe including Poland & 
> Russia. This may be of help in locating your cites: 
> www.feefhs.org/maplibrary.html
> Carol
> jfcmurphy at ntcnet.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:58:20 -0500
> From: "MIKE MCHENRY" <maurmike1 at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DREGER, MEISSNER, WENDLAND,
> MILBRADT and ZYRARDOW
> To: <jankohl57 at aol.com>, <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Message-ID: <000c01c999e7$49f248c0$ddd6da40$@net>
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> You might try Jutta Dennerlein's http://www.upstreamvistula.org has quite 
> a
> bit about the area.
>
>
> MIKE
>
> maurmike1 at verizon.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
> [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of
> jankohl57 at aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 12:34 PM
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DREGER, MEISSNER, WENDLAND, MILBRADT and
> ZYRARDOW
>
>
> Hi folks..just wondering if anyone knows of any local genealogy or
> historical web sites for the ZYRARDOW, WISKITKI, BLONIE area just west of
> Warsaw.? Also, I seem to recall someone mentioning a website that you can
> look up cities/towns by their old name and see what they were called in
> Russian, German or Polish, and what they are called now.? Can someone 
> direct
> me to that please??
> There is a city just west of Warsaw called Piastow.? What other names has
> this been called?? I haven't been to SGGEE for a while, so I will re-post
> may family names of DREGER, MEISSNER, WENDLAND AND MILDRADT.
> Thank you..Janine Gulich
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:03:23 -0500
> From: "MIKE MCHENRY" <maurmike1 at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] older map site
> To: "'James Murphy'" <jfcmurphy at ntcnet.com>, "'German-Poland'"
> <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
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> You might also try http://www.mapywig.org/news.php . It has inter war maps
> 1919-1939 of Poland. They are extremely detailed.
>
>
> MIKE
>
> maurmike1 at verizon.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
> [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of James
> Murphy
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:43 PM
> To: German-Poland
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] older map site
>
> To Janine & Delores,
> This is a website that gives older maps of Europe including Poland & 
> Russia.
> This may be of help in locating your cites: www.feefhs.org/maplibrary.html
> Carol
> jfcmurphy at ntcnet.com
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:21:16 -0600
> From: Carol Duff <cmduff at redwing.net>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Dreger
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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>
>> There are a lot of Dregers in Volhynia also, and from there to Alberta 
>> Canada. Part of my Schumann, Freimann families tie in there. Carol
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:47:45 -0700
> From: Jerry Frank <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DREGER, MEISSNER, WENDLAND,
> MILBRADT and ZYRARDOW
> To: jankohl57 at aol.com
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <49A9CD21.30200 at shaw.ca>
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>
> Janine,
>
> The four place names you mention have always been known by those names
> in any language.  They are all original Polish and I have no record of
> any German or Russian versions that vary from that.  It is possible they
> were renamed with German versions in the WW II period but I have no
> record of it.
>
> I don't know of any sites for these locations specific to genealogy.  A
> GOOGLE search shows that they all have their own websites, most of
> course in the Polish language.  Zyarardow at least has a section of
> historical photos, most detailing the cloth making industry in that
> area.  Our own SGGEE site has a page dedicated to Zyarardow.
>
>
>
> Jerry Frank
> Calgary, AB
>
>
>
> jankohl57 at aol.com wrote:
>> Hi folks..just wondering if anyone knows of any local genealogy or 
>> historical web sites for the ZYRARDOW, WISKITKI, BLONIE area just west of 
>> Warsaw.? Also, I seem to recall someone mentioning a website that you can 
>> look up cities/towns by their old name and see what they were called in 
>> Russian, German or Polish, and what they are called now.? Can someone 
>> direct me to that please??
>> There is a city just west of Warsaw called Piastow.? What other names has 
>> this been called?? I haven't been to SGGEE for a while, so I will re-post 
>> may family names of DREGER, MEISSNER, WENDLAND AND MILDRADT.
>> Thank you..Janine Gulich
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 18:59:50 -0600
> From: "joepessarra" <joepessarra at suddenlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DREGER, MEISSNER, WENDLAND,
> MILBRADT and ZYRARDOW
> To: <jankohl57 at aol.com>, <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Message-ID: <000001c99a09$068c2200$13a46600$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi Janine,
>
> At least one good website for looking up towns in Eastern Europe is the
> Jewish Gen ShtetlSeeker at 
> http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp
>
> Zyrardow seems to have no other spelling, Wiskitki is also shown as 
> Wiskiti,
> Blonie seems to have no other spelling, and Piastow seems to have no other
> spelling.
>
> Let me know directly if you need help with the ShtetlSeeker.
>
> Polish phone directory at http://www.ksiazka-telefoniczna.com/ has the
> following information.
>
> Zyrardow has no Dreger, no Meissner, no Wendland, and no Milbradt 
> listings.
>
> Blonie has no Dreger, 2 Meissner, no Wendland, and no Milbradt listings.
>
> Piastow has no Dreger, no Meissner, no Wendland, and no Milbradt listings.
>
> Warszawa has 15 Dreger, 10 Meissner, 3 Wendland, and no Milbradt listings.
>
> Maybe some distant cousins to contact?
>
> Let me know directly if you need help with the Poland phone directory.
>
> Good luck on your search.
>
> Joe in Texas
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
> [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of
> jankohl57 at aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:34 AM
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DREGER, MEISSNER, WENDLAND, MILBRADT and
> ZYRARDOW
>
>
> Hi folks..just wondering if anyone knows of any local genealogy or
> historical web sites for the ZYRARDOW, WISKITKI, BLONIE area just west of
> Warsaw.? Also, I seem to recall someone mentioning a website that you can
> look up cities/towns by their old name and see what they were called in
> Russian, German or Polish, and what they are called now.? Can someone 
> direct
> me to that please??
> There is a city just west of Warsaw called Piastow.? What other names has
> this been called?? I haven't been to SGGEE for a while, so I will re-post
> may family names of DREGER, MEISSNER, WENDLAND AND MILDRADT.
> Thank you..Janine Gulich
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:03:14 -0600
> From: "Beth Burke" <mackzie at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Help from the experts!
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Message-ID: <000301c99a09$80de5f50$829b1df0$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> In a written account of my grandmother's early years and immigration, she
> often referred to the city of Dubechna (spelled phoenetically).  I believe
> it might be around/near Lublin, but I don't know for sure.
>
> I am researching the names Friedrich (Gustav), Lieske, Glor and Zellmer.
> The first two surnames are from my mother's side and the second two are 
> from
> my father's side.  Oddly enough, records that I have all seem to indicate
> that they came from the same general area around Lublin.  I don't have any
> evidence that they knew each other, but after immigration to the USA (and
> some to Alberta, CA) they eventually ended up in northeastern Wisconsin.
>
> Any information that all of you - the experts - might have or if you can
> point me in any new directions - would truly be appreciated.
>
> Beth Burke
> Verona, WI
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 21:30:59 -0600
> From: "joepessarra" <joepessarra at suddenlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Help from the experts!
> To: "'Beth Burke'" <mackzie at earthlink.net>
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <000301c99a1e$23d55650$6b8002f0$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi Beth,
>
> ShtetlSeeker at http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp finds 
> these
> towns close in spelling/pronunciation, and close to Lublin, but not all in
> Poland.
>
> Dubeczno populated place 51?26' N 23?26' E  E M U G Poland  39.5 miles ENE
> of Lublin 51?15' N 22?34' E
>
> Dubechno populated place 51?55' N 24?03' E  E M U G Belarus  78.5 miles NE
> of Lublin 51?15' N 22?34' E
>
> Dubechno, Dubechnoye, Dubeczno populated place 51?33' N 24?22' E  E M U G
> Ukraine  80.3 miles ENE of Lublin 51?15' N 22?34' E
>
> Poland phone directory at http://www.ksiazka-telefoniczna.com/ shows the
> following:
>
> Dubeczno has no listings for Friedrich, Lieske, Glor and Zellmer.
>
> Lublin has 2 listings for Friedrich, no listings for Lieske, Glor, and
> Zellmer.
>
> Not a lot of help.  But, there are others in this group who can give you
> some better help, I am sure.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Joe in Texas
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
> [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Beth
> Burke
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:03 PM
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Help from the experts!
>
> In a written account of my grandmother's early years and immigration, she
> often referred to the city of Dubechna (spelled phoenetically).  I believe
> it might be around/near Lublin, but I don't know for sure.
>
> I am researching the names Friedrich (Gustav), Lieske, Glor and Zellmer.
> The first two surnames are from my mother's side and the second two are 
> from
> my father's side.  Oddly enough, records that I have all seem to indicate
> that they came from the same general area around Lublin.  I don't have any
> evidence that they knew each other, but after immigration to the USA (and
> some to Alberta, CA) they eventually ended up in northeastern Wisconsin.
>
> Any information that all of you - the experts - might have or if you can
> point me in any new directions - would truly be appreciated.
>
> Beth Burke
> Verona, WI
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:39:24 -0800 (PST)
> From: Karl Krueger <dabookk54 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Help from the experts!
> To: "'Beth Burke'" <mackzie at earthlink.net>
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <953647.71855.qm at web55303.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Dear Beth,
> When did they leave Dubeczno. If they stayed there until 1940 then a 
> volunteer is now working on this area in EWZ. I could put you in contact 
> with her if they stayed there that long.
>
> Otherwise keep an eye on our Lublin database. They may show up in there 
> too.
> Karl
>
> --- On Sat, 2/28/09, joepessarra <joepessarra at suddenlink.net> wrote:
> From: joepessarra <joepessarra at suddenlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Help from the experts!
> To: "'Beth Burke'" <mackzie at earthlink.net>
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 10:30 PM
>
> Hi Beth,
>
> ShtetlSeeker at http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp finds 
> these
> towns close in spelling/pronunciation, and close to Lublin, but not all in
> Poland.
>
> Dubeczno populated place 51?26' N 23?26' E  E M U G Poland  39.5
> miles ENE
> of Lublin 51?15' N 22?34' E
>
> Dubechno populated place 51?55' N 24?03' E  E M U G Belarus  78.5
> miles NE
> of Lublin 51?15' N 22?34' E
>
> Dubechno, Dubechnoye, Dubeczno populated place 51?33' N 24?22' E  E M
> U G
> Ukraine  80.3 miles ENE of Lublin 51?15' N 22?34' E
>
> Poland phone directory at http://www.ksiazka-telefoniczna.com/ shows the
> following:
>
> Dubeczno has no listings for Friedrich, Lieske, Glor and Zellmer.
>
> Lublin has 2 listings for Friedrich, no listings for Lieske, Glor, and
> Zellmer.
>
> Not a lot of help.  But, there are others in this group who can give you
> some better help, I am sure.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Joe in Texas
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
> [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Beth
> Burke
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:03 PM
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Help from the experts!
>
> In a written account of my grandmother's early years and immigration, she
> often referred to the city of Dubechna (spelled phoenetically).  I believe
> it might be around/near Lublin, but I don't know for sure.
>
> I am researching the names Friedrich (Gustav), Lieske, Glor and Zellmer.
> The first two surnames are from my mother's side and the second two are
> from
> my father's side.  Oddly enough, records that I have all seem to indicate
> that they came from the same general area around Lublin.  I don't have any
> evidence that they knew each other, but after immigration to the USA (and
> some to Alberta, CA) they eventually ended up in northeastern Wisconsin.
>
> Any information that all of you - the experts - might have or if you can
> point me in any new directions - would truly be appreciated.
>
> Beth Burke
> Verona, WI
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Sun Mar  1 07:03:09 2009
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 08:03:09 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Help from the experts!
In-Reply-To: <000301c99a09$80de5f50$829b1df0$@net>
References: <8CB67E1D998FA8C-D80-30E0@webmail-dg03.sysops.aol.com>
	<000c01c999e7$49f248c0$ddd6da40$@net>
	<000301c99a09$80de5f50$829b1df0$@net>
Message-ID: <49AAA3AD.6060403@shaw.ca>

Others have already given you good advice about two possible records 
sources.  Dubeczno is located within Lublin parish but quite some 
distance away at about 75 km NE of Lublin (or about 32 km north of Chelm).

Since you live in Wisconsin, we hope you can join us at our convention 
in Milwaukee this year.


Jerry Frank
Calgary, AB



Beth Burke wrote:
> In a written account of my grandmother's early years and immigration, she
> often referred to the city of Dubechna (spelled phoenetically).  I believe
> it might be around/near Lublin, but I don't know for sure.  
>
> I am researching the names Friedrich (Gustav), Lieske, Glor and Zellmer.
> The first two surnames are from my mother's side and the second two are from
> my father's side.  Oddly enough, records that I have all seem to indicate
> that they came from the same general area around Lublin.  I don't have any
> evidence that they knew each other, but after immigration to the USA (and
> some to Alberta, CA) they eventually ended up in northeastern Wisconsin.  
>
> Any information that all of you - the experts - might have or if you can
> point me in any new directions - would truly be appreciated.
>
> Beth Burke
> Verona, WI
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
>
>   


From ehaas3 at cox.net  Sun Mar  1 07:26:59 2009
From: ehaas3 at cox.net (Eleanor)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:26:59 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Joyce Guash, this is for you!
In-Reply-To: <8CB683D132E850B-16A0-3AA@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com>
References: <000301c99a1e$23d55650$6b8002f0$@net><953647.71855.qm@web55303.mail.re4.yahoo.com><CB594E83125A4EEFA81A78EFF99921AD@desktop2008>
	<8CB683D132E850B-16A0-3AA@WEBMAIL-DC16.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <959993662BA241D2974D82923F8E1BE9@EleanorPC>

Al, do you have Ratz relatives who may have lived in Perham, MN area?  One 
of my Mother's cousins married a Ratz with two "a's".

Eleanor


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <albertmuth at aol.com>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 9:26 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Joyce Guash, this is for you!


I lurk on this website without saying much. SGGEE has so many knowledgeable 
people, willing to help.
I throw my two cents out when I have something substantive to say.

Joyce, your greatgrandparents Daniel Gurke and Eleonore Ratz were married at 
Lipno 6 Mar 1859. Film 0714861, 1859 #18
Chat with me privately.

Al Muth
Livonia, MI

-----Original Message-----
From: Joyce Guasch <jguasch at fastmail.net>
To: 'Beth Burke' <mackzie at earthlink.net>
Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Sent: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:10 pm
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Help from the experts!



Hello Beth,
My father and his siblings were born in Dubeczno. I'm the volunteer who has
xtracted family names from the EWZ records of WWII. I have Friedrich,
ieske, and Zelmer (one L) but no Glor. If you think any of these people
ould be family members living there during WWII, I may be able to help by
mailing you copies of the records.
Joyce Welke Guasch
pringfield, OR USA
ormerly Rainier, OR USA
esearching Welke, Zimmerman,
esse, Gurke, Ratz, Lentz, Pirsch, Arndt
f East Poland

----Original Message-----
rom: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Karl
rueger
ent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:39 PM
o: 'Beth Burke'
c: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
ubject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Help from the experts!
Dear Beth,
hen did they leave Dubeczno. If they stayed there until 1940 then a
olunteer is now working on this area in EWZ. I could put you in contact
ith her if they stayed there that20long.
Otherwise keep an eye on our Lublin database. They may show up in there too.
arl
--- On Sat, 2/28/09, joepessarra <joepessarra at suddenlink.net> wrote:
rom: joepessarra <joepessarra at suddenlink.net>
ubject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Help from the experts!
o: "'Beth Burke'" <mackzie at earthlink.net>
c: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
ate: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 10:30 PM
Hi Beth,
ShtetlSeeker at http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp finds these
owns close in spelling/pronunciation, and close to Lublin, but not all in
oland.
Dubeczno populated place 51?26' N 23?26' E  E M U G Poland  39.5 miles ENE
f Lublin 51?15' N 22?34' E
Dubechno populated place 51?55' N 24?03' E  E M U G Belarus  78.5 miles NE
f Lublin 51?15' N 22?34' E

ubechno, Dubechnoye, Dubeczno populated place 51?33' N 24?22' E  E M U G
kraine  80.3 miles ENE of Lublin 51?15' N 22?34' E
Poland phone directory at http://www.ksiazka-telefoniczna.com/ shows the
ollowing:
Dubeczno has no listings for Friedrich, Lieske, Glor and Zellmer.
Lublin has 2 listings for Friedrich, no listings for Lieske, Glor, and
ellmer.
Not a lot of help.  But, there are others in this group who can give you
ome better help, I am sure.
Good luck.
Joe in Texas
-----Original Message-----
rom: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Beth
urke
ent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:03 PM
o: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
ubject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Help from the experts!
In a written account of my grandmoth
er's early years and immigration, she
ften referred to the city of Dubechna (spelled phoenetically).  I believe
t might be around/near Lublin, but I don't know for sure.
I am researching the names Friedrich (Gustav), Lieske, Glor and Zellmer.
he first two surnames are from my mother's side and the second two are from
y father's side.  Oddly enough, records that I have all seem to indicate
hat they came from the same general area around Lublin.  I don't have any
vidence that they knew each other, but after immigration to the USA (and
ome to Alberta, CA) they eventually ended up in northeastern Wisconsin.
Any information that all of you - the experts - might have or if you can
oint me in any new directions - would truly be appreciated.
Beth Burke
erona, WI

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From GHBoehm at ish.de  Sun Mar  1 08:44:21 2009
From: GHBoehm at ish.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=FCnther_B=F6hm?=)
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 17:44:21 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Location of Moronesch, Russia
In-Reply-To: <B9A467CC506F4603904CDF51B5C21238@WalterHomePC>
References: <mailman.7.1235878810.845.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
	<B9A467CC506F4603904CDF51B5C21238@WalterHomePC>
Message-ID: <49AABB65.3050708@ish.de>

Walter Marzinke schrieb:
> In our family EWZ52 records I found the name of "Moronesch" Russia as the 
> location of my mother's family from 1915 through 1918?
> I am wondering if anyone has come accross that name and as to where it is 
> located or anything on how the people from Rovno, Zdolbunow areas where 
> transported there.
Hello Walter,
this seems to be the city of Voronezh in southern Russia where Volhynian 
Germans from Karlswalde have been brought to in 1915. They stayed until 
1917. Germans from Estonia and Latvia were brought to Voronezh too.

G?nther


From bne at brigitteneumann.com  Sun Mar  1 10:11:06 2009
From: bne at brigitteneumann.com (Brigitte)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:11:06 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Location of Moronesch, Russia
In-Reply-To: <49AABB65.3050708@ish.de>
Message-ID: <GLEILMPGDKECCPEMMDKIMEIPCFAA.bne@brigitteneumann.com>

Hello,

my grandparents have been brought from Lukow at the 02. Feb. 1915, as I
think, to Saratov.
Is there any literature about the deportation to central russia?
How came it to this decission?
How was the transport organized?
How did they have to travel? by feed, by train ....
and so on ...

Many thanks for your help

Brigitte

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org]Im Auftrag von
G?nther B?hm
Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. M?rz 2009 17:44
An: Wolhynien-Liste
Betreff: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Location of Moronesch, Russia


Walter Marzinke schrieb:
> In our family EWZ52 records I found the name of "Moronesch" Russia as the
> location of my mother's family from 1915 through 1918?
> I am wondering if anyone has come accross that name and as to where it is
> located or anything on how the people from Rovno, Zdolbunow areas where
> transported there.
Hello Walter,
this seems to be the city of Voronezh in southern Russia where Volhynian
Germans from Karlswalde have been brought to in 1915. They stayed until
1917. Germans from Estonia and Latvia were brought to Voronezh too.

G?nther

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From thejoneses at shaw.ca  Sun Mar  1 14:16:39 2009
From: thejoneses at shaw.ca (Carol Jones)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:16:39 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Dreger
References: <mailman.1.1235851202.4223.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
	<4c4b22cc7ecf8111546f79ca5818a054@prod.shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <9ECF9E3BF9F640B9A8CE04EB8A0091B8@GENE>

I'm trying to find the marriage record of Mathilde Dreger and Gustav Wuerch, 
possibly around 1900.  They both came from Skolobowka? or possibly 
Neumanowka in Volhynia.  At least one of their Wirch sons immigrated to 
Alberta in the 1920's.  Any clues would be appreciated.

Carol Jones researching "Which Wurch/Werch/Wuerch/Wirch/Wuirch is which"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carol Duff" <cmduff at redwing.net>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:21 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Dreger


>
>> There are a lot of Dregers in Volhynia also, and from there to Alberta 
>> Canada. Part of my Schumann, Freimann families tie in there. Carol
>>
>
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From GHBoehm at ish.de  Mon Mar  2 09:43:06 2009
From: GHBoehm at ish.de (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?G=FCnther_B=F6hm?=)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:43:06 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Polish map server
Message-ID: <49AC1AAA.1040403@ish.de>

Hello list members,
two years ago I downloaded some 1:100.000 Polish Volhynia maps from the 
nineteen twenties - and forgot about them. I was just marvelled about 
the huge jpeg files and revisited them. They are in a high resolution 
and a useful supplement to the German and Soviet military maps. I 
searched the web and could find no connection of the map homepage and 
sggee.org . S oaybe they are still new for some of us. Under the 
ftp://mapy.ziomal.org page there are lots of map directories. For us the 
most interesting one seems to be

    ftp://mapy.ziomal.org/mapy/mapy_wieloarkuszowe/wig100.mapa_taktyczna_polski/WIG_MAREK

Enjoy,
G?nther


From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Mon Mar  2 10:10:24 2009
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:10:24 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Polish map server
In-Reply-To: <49AC1AAA.1040403@ish.de>
References: <49AC1AAA.1040403@ish.de>
Message-ID: <f324991a3471e.49abbea0@shaw.ca>

Hi Guenther,

I believe that your list of maps are the same as those available at http://www.mapywig.org/news.php and this link is on our maps page.

The problem with your list is that you need to know specifically which map you want in order to select the one of interest to you.? The link above includes, in the left column, a map index which shows the coverage of the individual maps overlaid on a map of Poland (including western Volhynia).? If you know the general area of your village, you can easily refer to that to determine which map to download.

The other advantage of the above link is that most maps are available in either 300 or 600 dpi whereas yours link only provides 600 dpi.? The 300 dpi scans make for a much faster download.? 

And finally, the above site also carries a variety of other maps in different scales.

I believe that the Mapywig site grew out of the one you referenced.


Jerry


----- Original Message -----
From: G?nther B?hm <GHBoehm at ish.de>
Date: Monday, March 2, 2009 10:46 am
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Polish map server
To: Wolhynien-Liste <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>

> Hello list members,
> two years ago I downloaded some 1:100.000 Polish Volhynia maps 
> from the 
> nineteen twenties - and forgot about them. I was just marvelled 
> about 
> the huge jpeg files and revisited them. They are in a high 
> resolution 
> and a useful supplement to the German and Soviet military maps. 
> I 
> searched the web and could find no connection of the map 
> homepage and 
> sggee.org . S oaybe they are still new for some of us. Under the 
> ftp://mapy.ziomal.org page there are lots of map directories. 
> For us the 
> most interesting one seems to be
> 
> ??? 
> ftp://mapy.ziomal.org/mapy/mapy_wieloarkuszowe/wig100.mapa_taktyczna_polski/WIG_MAREK
> Enjoy,
> G?nther
> 
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From maurmike1 at verizon.net  Mon Mar  2 10:32:53 2009
From: maurmike1 at verizon.net (MIKE MCHENRY)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:32:53 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] MAPWIG MAPS
Message-ID: <00ab01c99b65$4ccc9d50$e665d7f0$@net>

If you think these maps are great digital images you should see them
printed. I have an old roll printer that takes paper rolls up to 36" wide.
Some of the maps I have shrink to fit them. Wyszogrod P39_s50 for instance
is 78X65 inches. They are quite spectacular in both color and detail. 

 
MIK





From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Mon Mar  2 10:59:04 2009
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:59:04 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] MAPWIG MAPS
In-Reply-To: <00ab01c99b65$4ccc9d50$e665d7f0$@net>
References: <00ab01c99b65$4ccc9d50$e665d7f0$@net>
Message-ID: <cfb3ca8835d58.49abca08@shaw.ca>

For those of you that don't have the advantage of a roll printer, you can download the image, save to a disc and take it to Kinkos or similar for printing.? Be prepared to pay a lot of money though.? Here in Canada it might be $7 per sq. ft. or more for colour which adds up very quickly.


Jerry



----- Original Message -----
From: MIKE MCHENRY <maurmike1 at verizon.net>
Date: Monday, March 2, 2009 11:36 am
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] MAPWIG MAPS
To: 'German-Poland' <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>

> If you think these maps are great digital images you should see them
> printed. I have an old roll printer that takes paper rolls up to 
> 36" wide.
> Some of the maps I have shrink to fit them. Wyszogrod P39_s50 
> for instance
> is 78X65 inches. They are quite spectacular in both color and 
> detail. 
> 
> ?
> MIK
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
> 


From maurmike1 at verizon.net  Mon Mar  2 11:28:05 2009
From: maurmike1 at verizon.net (MIKE MCHENRY)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:28:05 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] FW:  MAPWIG MAPS
Message-ID: <00bf01c99b6d$032644f0$0972ced0$@net>

You can sometimes find them on eBay quite cheap. I got mine an HP Designjet
350C from my former employer for $50 donation to their charity. It's over 12
years old (ancient by printer standards) and still works fine. The only
expensive part is the 4 ink cartridges at $32 each. Paper is only about
$0.05 per sq ft. It also makes great genealogy box charts and posters. $7
per sq ft sounds exorbitant. 

 
MIKE



-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Jerry
Frank
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:59 PM
To: MIKE MCHENRY
Cc: 'German-Poland'
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] MAPWIG MAPS
Importance: High

For those of you that don't have the advantage of a roll printer, you can
download the image, save to a disc and take it to Kinkos or similar for
printing.? Be prepared to pay a lot of money though.? Here in Canada it
might be $7 per sq. ft. or more for colour which adds up very quickly.


Jerry



----- Original Message -----
From: MIKE MCHENRY <maurmike1 at verizon.net>
Date: Monday, March 2, 2009 11:36 am
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] MAPWIG MAPS
To: 'German-Poland' <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>

> If you think these maps are great digital images you should see them
> printed. I have an old roll printer that takes paper rolls up to 
> 36" wide.
> Some of the maps I have shrink to fit them. Wyszogrod P39_s50 
> for instance
> is 78X65 inches. They are quite spectacular in both color and 
> detail. 
> 
> ?
> MIK
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
> 

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From ceo at ametric.com  Mon Mar  2 12:22:01 2009
From: ceo at ametric.com (John Bettger)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 15:22:01 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] FW:  MAPWIG MAPS
In-Reply-To: <00bf01c99b6d$032644f0$0972ced0$@net>
References: <00bf01c99b6d$032644f0$0972ced0$@net>
Message-ID: <AEE43B406990764EB823107FB46D447C018A70893CF1@Server.ametric.com>

If you buy an old printer just be sure your operating system has drivers for it. MS Vista does not support some of the old printers. You can download drivers from most printer manufacturer's website (by operating system)

Best Regards
John Leon Bettger
email address  ceo at ametric.com

Researching Waterloo South Russia (Stavki Ukraine)
Odessa (city) South Russia (Odessa Ukraine) at 67 Ekaterininskaya Square (at the top of Potemkin Steps)
Slowik (near Lodz) Koenigreich Poland/Prussia
Gruenstadt Bavaria (Worms Germany)
Neubrandenburg, Mecklenburg-Strelitz Prussia/Germany
NAMES: Bettger, Boettcher, Huhn, Schindler







-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of MIKE MCHENRY
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:28 PM
To: 'German-Poland'
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] FW: MAPWIG MAPS
Importance: High

You can sometimes find them on eBay quite cheap. I got mine an HP Designjet
350C from my former employer for $50 donation to their charity. It's over 12
years old (ancient by printer standards) and still works fine. The only
expensive part is the 4 ink cartridges at $32 each. Paper is only about
$0.05 per sq ft. It also makes great genealogy box charts and posters. $7
per sq ft sounds exorbitant.


MIKE



-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Jerry
Frank
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:59 PM
To: MIKE MCHENRY
Cc: 'German-Poland'
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] MAPWIG MAPS
Importance: High

For those of you that don't have the advantage of a roll printer, you can
download the image, save to a disc and take it to Kinkos or similar for
printing.  Be prepared to pay a lot of money though.  Here in Canada it
might be $7 per sq. ft. or more for colour which adds up very quickly.


Jerry



----- Original Message -----
From: MIKE MCHENRY <maurmike1 at verizon.net>
Date: Monday, March 2, 2009 11:36 am
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] MAPWIG MAPS
To: 'German-Poland' <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>

> If you think these maps are great digital images you should see them
> printed. I have an old roll printer that takes paper rolls up to
> 36" wide.
> Some of the maps I have shrink to fit them. Wyszogrod P39_s50
> for instance
> is 78X65 inches. They are quite spectacular in both color and
> detail.
>
>
> MIK
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
>

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From maurmike1 at verizon.net  Mon Mar  2 13:53:01 2009
From: maurmike1 at verizon.net (MIKE MCHENRY)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:53:01 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] FW:  MAPWIG MAPS
In-Reply-To: <AEE43B406990764EB823107FB46D447C018A70893CF1@Server.ametric.com>
References: <00bf01c99b6d$032644f0$0972ced0$@net>
	<AEE43B406990764EB823107FB46D447C018A70893CF1@Server.ametric.com>
Message-ID: <00d701c99b81$42f72770$c8e57650$@net>

Good point. HP didn't support drivers for Vista for my machine too old. The
XP drivers do work with Vista 32 bit but not 64. You should check to see if
drivers are available for your operating system.

 
MIKE



-----Original Message-----
From: John Bettger [mailto:ceo at ametric.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 3:22 PM
To: MIKE MCHENRY; 'German-Poland'
Subject: RE: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] FW: MAPWIG MAPS
Importance: High

If you buy an old printer just be sure your operating system has drivers for
it. MS Vista does not support some of the old printers. You can download
drivers from most printer manufacturer's website (by operating system)

Best Regards
John Leon Bettger
email address  ceo at ametric.com

Researching Waterloo South Russia (Stavki Ukraine)
Odessa (city) South Russia (Odessa Ukraine) at 67 Ekaterininskaya Square (at
the top of Potemkin Steps)
Slowik (near Lodz) Koenigreich Poland/Prussia
Gruenstadt Bavaria (Worms Germany)
Neubrandenburg, Mecklenburg-Strelitz Prussia/Germany
NAMES: Bettger, Boettcher, Huhn, Schindler







-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of MIKE
MCHENRY
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:28 PM
To: 'German-Poland'
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] FW: MAPWIG MAPS
Importance: High

You can sometimes find them on eBay quite cheap. I got mine an HP Designjet
350C from my former employer for $50 donation to their charity. It's over 12
years old (ancient by printer standards) and still works fine. The only
expensive part is the 4 ink cartridges at $32 each. Paper is only about
$0.05 per sq ft. It also makes great genealogy box charts and posters. $7
per sq ft sounds exorbitant.


MIKE



-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Jerry
Frank
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:59 PM
To: MIKE MCHENRY
Cc: 'German-Poland'
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] MAPWIG MAPS
Importance: High

For those of you that don't have the advantage of a roll printer, you can
download the image, save to a disc and take it to Kinkos or similar for
printing.  Be prepared to pay a lot of money though.  Here in Canada it
might be $7 per sq. ft. or more for colour which adds up very quickly.


Jerry



----- Original Message -----
From: MIKE MCHENRY <maurmike1 at verizon.net>
Date: Monday, March 2, 2009 11:36 am
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] MAPWIG MAPS
To: 'German-Poland' <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>

> If you think these maps are great digital images you should see them
> printed. I have an old roll printer that takes paper rolls up to
> 36" wide.
> Some of the maps I have shrink to fit them. Wyszogrod P39_s50
> for instance
> is 78X65 inches. They are quite spectacular in both color and
> detail.
>
>
> MIK
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
>

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From rschlesselman at comcast.net  Sun Mar  1 19:15:38 2009
From: rschlesselman at comcast.net (Carole)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:15:38 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] SEARCHING HENKEL, MICHALEWICZ, TUCZEK,
	RUCHOTSKE
Message-ID: <D0BFECBC42AC4CCBA728F1148CD06D50@carole01>

I am searching for history of my grandparents, Ludwig Henkel and Franciska Michalewicz.  I have attached a copy of my grandmother's birth certificate which is a translation made by the post office in Ashern, Manitoba.  I need assistance with the birth certificate.  Was my grandmother born in Austria?  I have no marriage date or place of marriage for my grandparents - I suspect somewhere in Volhynia since their first 2 children were born there and emigrated to Winnipeg.)  The info I have found so far:

Ludwig Henkel - born January 30 or February 2, 1873 at Malinowka, Chelm. Lublin, Poland - parents Christoph Henkel (born about 1836) and Christine Holtz (born 1841) - siblings were Christoph, Minna, Johann (married Julia Ruchotske in Volhynia), Sophia (married Alex Ruchotske in Volhynia) that I know of.  Thank you to Sigrid Perry for helping with this information.

Franciska Michalewicz - born January 15, 1881.  Parents Johann Michalewicz and Marie Tuczek.  Birthplace - Austria?  I have found nothing on Johann Michalewicz but believe my great-grandmother, Marie Tuczek was born September 6, 1844 in Czermin, Krepno, Poznanskiego, Poland to Johann Tuczek and Anna Prowaznik

Both of my grandparents emmigrated to Manitoba, Canada from Volhynia (wish I knew what place they lived in in Volhynia.)  Ludwig between 1905 and 1908, Franciska between 1906 and 1908.  Franciska came with their first 2 children, Carl and Marie, both born in Volhynia but I do not know where.

I need advice on how to find out where in Volhynia my family lived - no living relatives are able to help.  Also help with the birth certificate for my grandmother.

Thank you!
Carole (Henkel) Schlesselman

Searching: HENKEL, HOLTZ, MICHALEWICZ, TUCZEK, RUCHOTSKE (ALL FROM VOLHYNIA) and GRABOTIN, HAUFF, LIEBELT (BESSERABIA, RUSSIA)



 
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From GHBoehm at ish.de  Mon Mar  2 16:36:51 2009
From: GHBoehm at ish.de (=?windows-1252?Q?G=FCnther_B=F6hm?=)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 01:36:51 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] SEARCHING HENKEL, MICHALEWICZ, TUCZEK,
 RUCHOTSKE
In-Reply-To: <D0BFECBC42AC4CCBA728F1148CD06D50@carole01>
References: <D0BFECBC42AC4CCBA728F1148CD06D50@carole01>
Message-ID: <49AC7BA3.9040106@ish.de>

Carole schrieb:
> I am searching for history of my grandparents, Ludwig Henkel and Franciska Michalewicz.  I have attached a copy of my grandmother's birth certificate which is a translation made by the post office in Ashern, Manitoba.  I need assistance with the birth certificate.  Was my grandmother born in Austria? 
Hello Carole,
as the translation says: yes.
But there are several very unusual details in it:

   1. "Austro-Hungarian Monarchy" was not an official designation. Birth
      certificates were issued by the parish offices which didn't use
      the official designation of the monarchy
      (there were no civil registration offices in the
      Austrian-Hungarian Empire),
   2. there was no village Tyszmica in the environment of J?zef?w,
      Galicia. The closest spelling of a nearby village was Tetewczyce,
   3. Franciska was not a common spelling in Austria (German: Franziska;
      Latin: Francisca),
   4. the spelling LEDEMANN of the reverend is not common, neither in
      Germany nor in Austria; closest: LADEMANN but none in Galicia,
   5. the spelling MICHALIEWICZ is not common in Poland; closest:
      MICHALKIEWICZ but none in Galicia
      (instead: BREUER and DEPNER were common names in Galicia;
      Friedrich BREUER was born 1863 in J?zef?w).

The evangelical parish registers of J?zef?w (Radziech?w), Galicia are 
microfilmed: Taufen [baptisms] 1845-1890 -  FHL INTL Film [ 2271743 ]

By the way: How did you succeed smuggling an attached JPEG file through 
the list server? - great!

G?nther


From GHBoehm at ish.de  Mon Mar  2 17:43:25 2009
From: GHBoehm at ish.de (=?windows-1252?Q?G=FCnther_B=F6hm?=)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 02:43:25 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] SEARCHING HENKEL, MICHALEWICZ, TUCZEK,
 RUCHOTSKE
In-Reply-To: <49AC7BA3.9040106@ish.de>
References: <D0BFECBC42AC4CCBA728F1148CD06D50@carole01>
	<49AC7BA3.9040106@ish.de>
Message-ID: <49AC8B3D.5010505@ish.de>

G?nther B?hm schrieb:
>    2. there was no village Tyszmica in the environment of J?zef?w,
>       Galicia. The closest spelling of a nearby village was Tetewczyce,
>   
Carole,
yet again: could it be Tyszyca?
The village is several miles wsw. of J?zef?w at the Bug river, just 
north of Dobrotwor. It had just a greek-catholic church and maybe the 
next evangelical parish was in J?zef?w.

G?nther


From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Tue Mar  3 06:04:25 2009
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 07:04:25 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Attachments;
	was Re: SEARCHING HENKEL, MICHALEWICZ, TUCZEK, RUCHOTSKE
In-Reply-To: <49AC7BA3.9040106@ish.de>
References: <D0BFECBC42AC4CCBA728F1148CD06D50@carole01>
	<49AC7BA3.9040106@ish.de>
Message-ID: <49AD38E9.90500@shaw.ca>

Just wanted everyone to know that we have not changed our policy on 
attachments.  The attachment on the subject message was trapped by our 
system.  In this case I clicked the wrong button and released it to all 
of you rather than returning it to the sender. 

Please accept my apologies.

Jerry Frank
Calgary, AB



G?nther B?hm wrote:
>
> By the way: How did you succeed smuggling an attached JPEG file through 
> the list server? - great!
>
> G?nther
>
>   


From dollyhauf at att.net  Tue Mar  3 07:08:02 2009
From: dollyhauf at att.net (dollyhauf)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:08:02 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Searching Henkel, etc.
Message-ID: <004b01c99c11$d97dfee0$4001a8c0@HAUF>

Carol;
I see HAUFF's on your search list. I am also looking for Hauff's in the Chelm, Lublin area. Do you have some names of those you are searching for?
Dolly Hauf


From kerstin.petersen at mail.dk  Tue Mar  3 08:21:17 2009
From: kerstin.petersen at mail.dk (Kerstin Petersen)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:21:17 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lieske
Message-ID: <E4EE0C76E64042DF9E2BBE4F947E517F@kerstinntszmpi>

 Hello,
>  
> I am researching Lieske. My gr.grandmother was born Lieske. In Dryszno 
> (I am not sure of the spelling) by Lublin. Her name was Julie Lieske 
> 1854, father was Martin Lieske.
>  
> Regards
> Kerstin Petersen
> Denmark


From LeissKG at web.de  Tue Mar  3 08:33:58 2009
From: LeissKG at web.de (Klaus-Guenter Leiss)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:33:58 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Polish map server
In-Reply-To: <f324991a3471e.49abbea0@shaw.ca>
References: <49AC1AAA.1040403@ish.de>, <f324991a3471e.49abbea0@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <49AD6A06.3972.163F30@LeissKG.web.de>

Am 2 Mar 2009 um 11:10 hat Jerry Frank geschrieben:
> Hi Guenther,
> 
> I believe that your list of maps are the same as those available at
> http://www.mapywig.org/news.php and this link is on our maps page.

ftp://mapy.ziomal.org has a lot of other maps, but i think many are 
outside
our area of interest and if you dont speak polish you are sort of lost.

> The problem with your list is that you need to know specifically which map
> you want in order to select the one of interest to you.? The link above
> includes, in the left column, a map index which shows the coverage of the
> individual maps overlaid on a map of Poland (including western Volhynia).?
> If you know the general area of your village, you can easily refer to that
> to determine which map to download.
> 
> The other advantage of the above link is that most maps are available in
> either 300 or 600 dpi whereas yours link only provides 600 dpi.? The 300
> dpi scans make for a much faster download.? 
> 
> And finally, the above site also carries a variety of other maps in
> different scales.
> 
> I believe that the Mapywig site grew out of the one you referenced.
> 

I don't think so, but they are partners. Under Co-operation on the left 
side is a link to "FTP Superstefana z PS" which is ftp://mapy.ziomal

Klaus Leiss






From joepessarra at suddenlink.net  Tue Mar  3 13:43:06 2009
From: joepessarra at suddenlink.net (joepessarra)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:43:06 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lieske
In-Reply-To: <E4EE0C76E64042DF9E2BBE4F947E517F@kerstinntszmpi>
References: <E4EE0C76E64042DF9E2BBE4F947E517F@kerstinntszmpi>
Message-ID: <000501c99c49$09f6ba80$1de42f80$@net>

Dryszno might be one of these two towns close to Lublin.

Dr??no populated place 51?30' N 20?37' E  E M U G Poland  85.8 miles WNW of
Lublin 51?15' N 22?34' E

Drezno populated place 51?13' N 21?38' E  E M U G Poland  40.4 miles W of
Lublin 51?15' N 22?34' E

Joe in Texas


-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Kerstin
Petersen
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:21 AM
To: Sggee Mailingliste
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lieske

 Hello,
>  
> I am researching Lieske. My gr.grandmother was born Lieske. In Dryszno 
> (I am not sure of the spelling) by Lublin. Her name was Julie Lieske 
> 1854, father was Martin Lieske.
>  
> Regards
> Kerstin Petersen
> Denmark

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From wg7 at theunion.net  Wed Mar  4 18:54:57 2009
From: wg7 at theunion.net (Will Genz)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 18:54:57 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] One particular Grenz Lineage in Volhynia from
	prior to 1843 and thereafter until 1944.
Message-ID: <BC4A2D69196546749EFEAF36D8C5D62A@authorizm3im63>

My siblings and I are descendents fro Friedrich and Wilhelmina Grenz who with many other Germans immigrated from East Prussia (Kreutzburg) near Koenigsberg into the Ukraine in the 1840-50's to establish a new homeland later called Volhynia. They were Lutherans while their offspring became Baptists..  My sister Lilly and I (Willy) were born in Zhitomyr before the German Wehrmacht rescued us and took us back to Germany.  Our parents, Arthur and Ida Grenz lived last in Zhitomyr in the 1940's where they were active members of the largest Baptist congregation there. My Father, Arthur was born on 15 July 1903 in Ivanovitch an died in Long Beach California on 10-13-1982.  My Mother Ida was born on March 13, 1907 in Annopol. She died on March 9, 2000  in Long Beach California.  My family took on the name of "Narchinski" (Intermarriage with Polish family) in early 1900 to WWI and during the horrific Stalinist years. My Father served a total of 9 years in Russian Gulags because he was active in spreading the word of God among the population in the Ukraine.  Among other horrific experiences was his forceful labor to build the Moscow-Volga Canal. I have a  list of all the villages and other communities that my forefathers lived in and visited during those years prior to 1940 that I can share with anyone interested. These places are shown on a rough Map with approximate locations. I have engaged in a search to determine  the family lineage any prior to 1843 and have so far had any luck.  Several dubious sources claim that our Grenz clan came from the German province of Rheinpfaltz where there is now a town called "Grenzdorf" at the confluence of the Lahn and the Rhine rivers. I am writing a book based on a diary that was passed on in in secret through the generations form Wilhelmina in 1843  to Arthur and then on to me.
I am keenly interested in finding any information on input on this Grenz lineage prior to 1843 and any other information that other families might have relative to my quest.  Best Regards,  Willy Grenz wg7 at theunion.net

From GHBoehm at ish.de  Thu Mar  5 02:57:52 2009
From: GHBoehm at ish.de (=?UTF-8?B?R8O8bnRoZXIgQsO2aG0=?=)
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:57:52 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] One particular Grenz Lineage in Volhynia
 from	prior to 1843 and thereafter until 1944.
In-Reply-To: <BC4A2D69196546749EFEAF36D8C5D62A@authorizm3im63>
References: <BC4A2D69196546749EFEAF36D8C5D62A@authorizm3im63>
Message-ID: <49AFB030.3030307@ish.de>

Will Genz schrieb:
> My siblings and I are descendents fro Friedrich and Wilhelmina Grenz who with many other Germans immigrated from East Prussia (Kreutzburg) near Koenigsberg into the Ukraine in the 1840-50's to establish a new homelandlater called Volhynia. They were Lutherans while their offspring became Baptists..  My sister Lilly and I (Willy) were born in Zhitomyr before the German Wehrmacht rescued us and took us back to Germany.  Our parents, Arthur and Ida Grenz lived last in Zhitomyr in the 1940's where they wereactive members of the largest Baptist congregation there. My Father, Arthur was born on 15 July 1903 in Ivanovitch an died in Long Beach California on 10-13-1982.  My Mother Ida was born on March 13, 1907 in Annopol. She died on March 9, 2000  in Long Beach California.  My family took on the name of "Narchinski" (Intermarriage with Polish family) in early 1900 to WWI and during the horrific Stalinist years. My Father served a total of 9 years in Russian Gulags because he was
 active in spreading the word of God among the population in the Ukraine.  Among other horrific experiences was his forceful labor to build the Moscow-Volga Canal. I have a  list of all the villages and other communities that my forefathers lived in and visited during those years prior to 1940 that I can share with anyoneinterested. These places are shown on a rough Map with approximate locations. I have engaged in a search to determine  the family lineage any prior to 1843 and have so far had any luck.  Several dubious sources claim that our Grenz clan came from the German province of Rheinpfaltz where there is now a town called "Grenzdorf" at the confluence of the Lahn and theRhine rivers. I am writing a book based on a diary that was passed on inin secret through the generations form Wilhelmina in 1843  to Arthur andthen on to me.
> I am keenly interested in finding any information on input on this Grenz lineage prior to 1843 and any other information that other families might have relative to my quest.  Best Regards,  Willy Grenz wg7 at theunion.net

Dear Mr. Grenz,
there were several possible places of origin in Germany:

   1. Grenz, Dorf (village), Preu?en, Regierungsbezirk Marienwerder
      (West Prussia), Kreis und Amtsgericht (district and district
      court) Kulm, Postamt (post office) Podwitz, 464 inhabitants (1894).
   2. Grenzdorf A and B (two villages), Preu?en, Regierungsbezirk Danzig
      (West Prussia), Landkreis Elbing, Amtsgericht Tiegenhof, Post
      Stutthof, 203 resp. 341 inhabitants (1894).

Others are resp. were Grenzach, Grenzau, Grenzebach, Grenzhammer, 2x
Grenzhausen, Grenzh?user, Grenzheide, 13 x Grenzhof (7 of them in
Pomerania, 3 in West Prussia) and Grenzkolonie. Grenzhausen, now part
of  H?hr, Westerwaldkreis, is in Hessen and not far (15 km nne.) from
the Lahn outlet into the Rhine at Lahnstein.

According to the IGI, the earliest evidence of your surname in present
Germany (1671) is in Kirch-Brombach, Brombachtal, Odenwaldkreis, Hessen.
The name is still present in the community:

    GRENZ Doris (hairdresser)
    Schulstr. 2
    D-64753 Brombachtal-Kirchbrombach
    Tel. +490 6063 579253
    URL www.odenwaldmosaik.de/schnittstelle.html

    GRENZ Sven (master carpenter)
    Hauptstra?e 57
    D-64753 Brombachtal-Kirchbrombach
    Tel. +49 6063 9517372
    E-mail svengrenz at alice-dsl.net

In the neighboring villages (Michelstadt, Bad K?nig, Beerfelden, Erbach,
H?chst, L?tzelbach) there are twenty other entries in the telephone
register.

But since there were several GRENZ families in West and East Prussia and
many Volhynian Germans originated from there, I would suggest to prefer
a West Prussian origin of your name. Moreover: since the surname GRENZ
most probably derived from a farm name "Grenzhof" = border farm (Grenze
= border), it might be that there is no relation at all to any of the
listed locations.

The German word 'Grenze' = 'border' is not of Germanic but of Polish
origin (Grenze = graniza). It came to Germany in the middle ages,
probably through the Teutonic Order which occupied the Kulmerland (later
West Prussia) in 13th century, built castles and a consistent
administration and called German settlers. But at that time consistent
surnames didn't yet exist and changed from time to time. People were
called after their personal characteristics, professions or places of
origin. But when they moved again, this name-giving place of origin
changed and possibly it became a locality in the Kulmerland.

In contemporary Poland www.herby.com.pl finds:

    86 GRENC, 63 of them in the Gdansk (Danzig) area, 16 in the adjacent
    Elbl?g (Elbing) area,
    13 GRENCKOWSKI, Gdansk area,
    83 GRENZ, 61 of them in the Gdansk area, 10 in the Bydgoszcz
    (Bromberg) area, 8 in the Elbl?g area,
    7 GRENTZ, Gdansk area,
    3 GRENZLIK, 2 Elbl?g, 1 Torun (Thorn) area,
    2 GRENZOW, Bydgoszcz area.

If you enter these names into www.moikrewni.pl/mapa (geographical
distribution of surnames in Poland), the result will be astonishing:
most of them are still living in the former Kulmerland.
So eventually I would prefer a West Prussian origin.

Kind regards,
G?nther B?hm




From bronklimach at gmail.com  Thu Mar  5 03:05:15 2009
From: bronklimach at gmail.com (Bronwyn Klimach)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:05:15 +0000
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Museums and archives
In-Reply-To: <129d86830903050256h2ed2dce7nc260058e07b8f47c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <129d86830903050255j3001eb0ay99e98176e49f3727@mail.gmail.com>
	<129d86830903050256h2ed2dce7nc260058e07b8f47c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <129d86830903050305s2120bbefwce57e269cbc399fc@mail.gmail.com>

 Hi,
 I have been following this one with interest:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/museum-director-dropped-after-protests-from-poland-1637736.html
 I
don't think there is any way EVERYONE can be kept happy with a topic like
this!!!

Many of you will be aware of this loss of much valuable material from the
1970s built supposedly 'state of the art' Archive:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article5846343.ece

Meanwhile anyone planning travels to Poland might consider this information:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601013&sid=aG9UNuBZiJ04  Stock up
with Zloty now???

Kind regards,
Bronwyn.


From wg7 at theunion.net  Thu Mar  5 10:28:27 2009
From: wg7 at theunion.net (Will Genz)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:28:27 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland Vohlynia digest
Message-ID: <70863EBCDF754698984AEA7A112B7CD6@authorizm3im63>

I am having trouble attempting to access in a simple and easy manner the daily digest so I can read and respond to any postings that may interest me. Please provide the protocol in your site to do that in a non circuitous manner. Thank You.  Willy Grenz, wg7 at theunion.net

From wg7 at theunion.net  Thu Mar  5 11:19:36 2009
From: wg7 at theunion.net (Will Genz)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:19:36 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia]  One particular Grenz Lineage in Volhynia
Message-ID: <D6932DAA4B084A08B116F06197634731@authorizm3im63>

G?nter:  Thank you so much for your extensive research effort and response to my posting on the Grenz lineage.
While providing no specific thread or connection to  our particular family generations prior to 1843, it nonetheless is very informative in a general sense. Thank you again,  Willy Grenz (Americanized = Will)

From tyrafarms at kootenaywireless.com  Thu Mar  5 20:39:34 2009
From: tyrafarms at kootenaywireless.com (ken sommerfeld)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:39:34 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lieske
References: <E4EE0C76E64042DF9E2BBE4F947E517F@kerstinntszmpi>
Message-ID: <F0845389BEAF46ECAFF20088216F827F@Tower>

Kerstin

I have an Elisabeth Liske or Lieske married to Gottfried Sommerfeld living 
in the Golskie Holendry area in about 1820. One of their sons Franz later 
moved to the Sobolew area of NW of Lublin. I have no information on 
Elisabeth's parents or any siblings. She would have been born about 1790 and 
died before 1843.


Ken Sommerfeld

A farmer who cultivates his own field with his own hands,
unites in his own person the three different characters of
"landlord, farmer and labourer."
His "produce", therefore, should pay him the rent of the
first,  the profit of the second and the wages of the third.

(origin unknown)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerstin Petersen" <kerstin.petersen at mail.dk>
To: "Sggee Mailingliste" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:21 AM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lieske


> Hello,
>>
>> I am researching Lieske. My gr.grandmother was born Lieske. In Dryszno
>> (I am not sure of the spelling) by Lublin. Her name was Julie Lieske
>> 1854, father was Martin Lieske.
>>
>> Regards
>> Kerstin Petersen
>> Denmark
>
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From bronklimach at gmail.com  Fri Mar  6 06:49:19 2009
From: bronklimach at gmail.com (Bronwyn Klimach)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:49:19 +0000
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Shooting The Past - Director: Stephen
	Poliakoff
In-Reply-To: <129d86830903060646x74b644a7j296feedfa4c0f751@mail.gmail.com>
References: <129d86830903060646x74b644a7j296feedfa4c0f751@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <129d86830903060649g7ae5d3cbp986d77f33a6df9ed@mail.gmail.com>

 Hi,

Perhaps a little bit of lateral thinking here.  In genealogy we use a huge
variety of different sources and techniques to find as much as we can about
our family's past.  This entertaining film gives an interesting look at the
potential use of photographs for discovering historic events.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_the_Past

http://www.lovefilm.com/product/20549-Shooting-The-Past.html
Brief synopsis of Shooting The Past

American property developer Christopher Anderson (Liam Cunningham) has plans
to renovate an English country house in order to open a business school.
However the staff of the vast photo library already housed there are
determined to stop him. It soon transpires that there is a picture of
Anderson's mother in the library and perhaps an unusual way of saving the
library.

 Happy researching, Bronwyn.

<http://www.lovefilm.com/product/20549-Shooting-The-Past.html>


From ra_stein at telus.net  Fri Mar  6 13:52:09 2009
From: ra_stein at telus.net (Richard Stein)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:52:09 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lieske
In-Reply-To: <F0845389BEAF46ECAFF20088216F827F@Tower>
References: <E4EE0C76E64042DF9E2BBE4F947E517F@kerstinntszmpi>
	<F0845389BEAF46ECAFF20088216F827F@Tower>
Message-ID: <4BAD395398D74729A6C3CCDA5CE7FFB8@RichardPC>

Ken,

Is Golskie Holendry near Chodecz, Poland?  I have a Eva Rosine Liske/Lieske,
ca1803 - 1856, married to Gottlieb Riske, lived in Jozefki, also near
Chodecz.  Her death record gives her birthplace as Dabrowice, Kutno, and her
father as Michael Liske.

Dick Stein


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ken sommerfeld" <tyrafarms at kootenaywireless.com>
To: "Kerstin Petersen" <kerstin.petersen at mail.dk>; "Sggee Mailingliste"
<ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lieske


>
> Kerstin
>
> I have an Elisabeth Liske or Lieske married to Gottfried Sommerfeld living
> in the Golskie Holendry area in about 1820. One of their sons Franz later
> moved to the Sobolew area of NW of Lublin. I have no information on
> Elisabeth's parents or any siblings. She would have been born about 1790
> and
> died before 1843.
>
>
> Ken Sommerfeld
>
> A farmer who cultivates his own field with his own hands,
> unites in his own person the three different characters of
> "landlord, farmer and labourer."
> His "produce", therefore, should pay him the rent of the
> first,  the profit of the second and the wages of the third.
>
> (origin unknown)
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kerstin Petersen" <kerstin.petersen at mail.dk>
> To: "Sggee Mailingliste" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:21 AM
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lieske
>
>
>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I am researching Lieske. My gr.grandmother was born Lieske. In Dryszno
>>> (I am not sure of the spelling) by Lublin. Her name was Julie Lieske
>>> 1854, father was Martin Lieske.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Kerstin Petersen
>>> Denmark
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From tyrafarms at kootenaywireless.com  Fri Mar  6 15:45:14 2009
From: tyrafarms at kootenaywireless.com (ken sommerfeld)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:45:14 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lieske
References: <E4EE0C76E64042DF9E2BBE4F947E517F@kerstinntszmpi>
	<F0845389BEAF46ECAFF20088216F827F@Tower>
	<4BAD395398D74729A6C3CCDA5CE7FFB8@RichardPC>
Message-ID: <75F25A2C64EE4E6496E24585D820AB5E@Tower>

DIck,

Yes, Chodecz is the parish name given on the info I have.


Ken Sommerfeld

A farmer who cultivates his own field with his own hands,
unites in his own person the three different characters of
"landlord, farmer and labourer."
His "produce", therefore, should pay him the rent of the
first,  the profit of the second and the wages of the third.

(origin unknown)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Stein" <ra_stein at telus.net>
To: "ken sommerfeld" <tyrafarms at kootenaywireless.com>; "Kerstin Petersen" 
<kerstin.petersen at mail.dk>; "Sggee Mailingliste" 
<ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lieske


> Ken,
>
> Is Golskie Holendry near Chodecz, Poland?  I have a Eva Rosine 
> Liske/Lieske,
> ca1803 - 1856, married to Gottlieb Riske, lived in Jozefki, also near
> Chodecz.  Her death record gives her birthplace as Dabrowice, Kutno, and 
> her
> father as Michael Liske.
>
> Dick Stein
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "ken sommerfeld" <tyrafarms at kootenaywireless.com>
> To: "Kerstin Petersen" <kerstin.petersen at mail.dk>; "Sggee Mailingliste"
> <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lieske
>
>
>>
>> Kerstin
>>
>> I have an Elisabeth Liske or Lieske married to Gottfried Sommerfeld 
>> living
>> in the Golskie Holendry area in about 1820. One of their sons Franz later
>> moved to the Sobolew area of NW of Lublin. I have no information on
>> Elisabeth's parents or any siblings. She would have been born about 1790
>> and
>> died before 1843.
>>
>>
>> Ken Sommerfeld
>>
>> A farmer who cultivates his own field with his own hands,
>> unites in his own person the three different characters of
>> "landlord, farmer and labourer."
>> His "produce", therefore, should pay him the rent of the
>> first,  the profit of the second and the wages of the third.
>>
>> (origin unknown)
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Kerstin Petersen" <kerstin.petersen at mail.dk>
>> To: "Sggee Mailingliste" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:21 AM
>> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lieske
>>
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I am researching Lieske. My gr.grandmother was born Lieske. In Dryszno
>>>> (I am not sure of the spelling) by Lublin. Her name was Julie Lieske
>>>> 1854, father was Martin Lieske.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Kerstin Petersen
>>>> Denmark
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
>>> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
>>> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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From GHBoehm at ish.de  Sat Mar  7 05:52:41 2009
From: GHBoehm at ish.de (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?G=FCnther_B=F6hm?=)
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 14:52:41 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Walter, please unblock my address
Message-ID: <49B27C29.9020904@ish.de>

Hello Walter (MARZINKE),
several times I tried to send you an off-list message and received just 
error messages like this one:

    Ihre Nachricht an 'marzinke at sbcglobal.net' konnte nicht zugestellt werden
    SMTP module(domain sbcglobal.net) reports:
     return-path address <GHBoehm at ish.de> rejected by sbcmx8.prodigy.net:
     553 5.3.0 nlpi093 - n27ChKmd022942, DNSBL:ATTRBL 521< 80.69.98.250 >_is_blocked.__For_information_see_http://att.net/blocks
      

That' why I now try it through the listserv and beg every's pardon.

G?nther B?hm schrieb:
 > Ed Sonnenburg schrieb einem Beitrag an die Liste am 21.1.2002 vom 
Kirchspiel Tutschin und von R?bensdorf im Kreis Ostrogorsk, Bezirk Orenburg.
 > Vielleicht fragen Sie ihn einmal, ich habe allerdings lange nichts 
mehr von ihm gelesen. Er hatte damals die Adressen  
esonnenburg at porchlight.ca und  708186 at ican.net .


Hallo Walter,
hier muss ich mich korrigieren (da ist ihm etwas durcheinandergeraten):
Ostrogorsk lag nicht im Oblast Orenburg sondern in der Ukraine im Oblast 
Nikolaiew (Mykolayiv), die beiden geh?rten also nicht in die gleiche Zeile.

Doch vielleicht hilft eine andere Entdeckung:
In einer Traueranzeige in der "Evangeliums-Posaune" vom 15.3.2005 hei?t 
es unter der Rubrik "Entschlafen" (ich kopiere am besten den ganzen 
Artikel):

   "Toronto, Kanada
   Der Herr ?ber Leben und Tod hat es in seinem weisen Rat f?r gut
   angesehen, unsre liebe Schwester im Herrn, AURELIE KREBS, am 6.
   Januar 2005 in die obere Heimat abzurufen. Aurelie Krebs wurde am
   26. November l9l7 den Eltern Ludwig und Martha HENKELMANN in
   R?bensdorf, Kreis Orenburg am Ural in Sibirien, Russland, geboren.
   Dorthin wurden ihre Eltern im ersten Weltkrieg vertrieben. Im Jahre
   l9l8 kehrte sie mit den Eltern nach Wolhynien, Polen zur?ck. Dort in
   Zelanka, Kreis Rowno, wohnte sie im Elternhaus, bis sie sich im Jahr
   l935 mit Edmund Krebs verheiratete. Der Herr segnete ihre Ehe mit
   vier Kindern. An der Seite ihres lieben Mannes, den Gott im
   Weinberge des Herrn gebrauchte, mussten sie etwa zehnmal umziehen.
   Einige wesentliche Umz?ge waren: l935 nach Marjanowka, Kreis Rowno,
   Wolhynien; l940 Umsiedlung nach Kirschenhof, Kreis
   Warthbr?cken,Warthegau; l946 nach Wellringshausen, Hessen,
   Deutschland; im selben Jahr nach Waddenhausen, Kreis Detmold und
   l952 nach Herford, in Nordrhein-Westfalen. Dann kam der Ruf von der
   Gemeinde Gottes in Toronto und die Familie wanderte l954 nach Kanada
   aus. l96l ging der Weg in den Gemeindedienst nach Calgary, Alberta;
   l964 in die Bibelschule nach Edmonton, Alberta; l967 in den
   Gemeindedienst nach Union City, New Jersey, USA und in l972 zogen
   Geschwister Krebs wieder nach Toronto. Im Jahre l945 musste
   Schwester Krebs die beschwerliche Flucht ohne die St?tze ihres
   Mannes, der in der Wehrmacht war, mit ihren vier kleinen Kindern
   durchmachen. Gott gab Gnade, dass die Familie l946 wieder
   zusammenfand und die Schwester konnte weiterhin ihrem Mann im
   Gemeindedienst treu zur Seite stehen und zusammen mit ihm und der
   Familie Freud und Leid teilen. In ihrem Elternhaus wurde Aurelie
   schon als Kind mit den biblischen Wahrheiten, die zu der Zeit in
   Wolhynien
   verk?ndigt wurden, bekannt. Sie bekehrte sich mit l4 Jahren und lie?
   sich auch bald darauf biblisch taufen. Mit gro?er Freudigkeit und
   ganzem Einsatz beteiligte sie sich in den Gottesdiensten.
   Der Herr gab ihr eine gute Sopranstimme, die sie zu Gottes Ehre und
   zum Segen der Zuh?rer erschallen lie?. Durch ihr frohes Gem?t konnte
   sie als Predigerfrau sowie als Ehegattin, Mutter,
   Gro?mutter und Urgro?mutter viel Sonnenschein ausstrahlen. Es war
   Bruder Edmund Krebs verg?nnt fast 70 Jahre seine Gattin an seiner
   Seite zu haben. Im Kreis der Gemeinde hier in Toronto feierten die
   Geschwister noch ihr 60-j?hriges Hochzeitsjubil?um. Solange ihre
   Eltern noch lebten, reisten sie gemeinsam etwa zehnmal nach
   Deutschland zu Besuch. Da Schwester Krebs eine Liebhaberin von
   Blumen war, zierte eine Blumenpracht ihren Garten und ihr Haus.
   Innen versch?nerte ihre feine Handarbeit W?nde und Tische. Im Alter
   machte sich immer mehr ein Herzleiden bei Schwester Krebs bemerkbar,
   das ihr zu Zeiten viel Schmerzen bereitete. Sie konnte in der letzen
   Zeit die Gottesdienste nicht mehr regelm??ig besuchen, was ja immer
   ihre Freude war. Dieses Leiden verursachte Herzanf?lle, wodurch sie
   sichtbar schw?cher wurde, bis der Herr sie davon erl?ste. Im
   Krankenhaus vor ihrem Abscheiden hat Bruder Krebs seiner Gattin noch
   den Abschnitt von der erl?sten Schar vor dem Throne Gottes aus
   Offenbarung 7 gelesen. Bald darauf nahm der Herr sein Kind im
   Beisein ihres Ehegatten und ihrer vier T?chter zu sich in die obere
   Heimat. Schwester Krebs hinterl?sst ihren tief betr?bten Gatten,
   Edmund Krebs; vier T?chter: Edith Both mit Ehemann Albert Both;
   Gerda Weidner mit Ehemann Willi Weidner; Irmgard Wegner mit Ehemann
   Reinhard Wegner und Anita Krebs mit Ehemann Eric Carstens. Ferner
   hinterl?sst sie zehn Enkelkinder und l9 Urenkel sowie sechs
   leibliche Geschwister: Herta Kreuzmann, Deutschland; Lina Bauer,
   Toronto; Ilse Reim, Deutschland; Norbert Henkelmann, USA; Martha
   L?wen, USA und Helga Wolske, USA. Auch viele Verwandte, Freunde und
   Geschwister, die sie kennenlernen durfte, sowie die Geschwister der
   Gemeinde zu Toronto trauern um das Abscheiden der lieben Schwester.
   Doch als Kinder Gottes haben wir den Trost eines Wiedersehens beim
   Herrn.
   R. Roesler"

Zelanka war ein Nachbarort von Amelin und da es keine Kirche hatte, 
vermutlich nach Amelin zust?ndig. In Amelin gab es ?brigens auch den 
Namen HENKELMANN!
Sicher werden Sie von den genannten Familienangeh?rigen mehr ?ber die 
Verschleppung nach R?bensdorf im Kreis Orenburg erfahren k?nnen.

   Helga WOLSKE
   4730 E Britain Ave
   Benton Harbor, MI 49022-8705
   (269) 944-1545
   Household: Michael J. WOLSKE

   Norbert HENKELMANN
   Saint Joseph, MI (80 Jahre, kein Eintrag im Telefonbuch)


W?nsche ein sch?nes Wochenende,
G?nther

 

      




From esonnenburg at sympatico.ca  Sat Mar  7 14:33:34 2009
From: esonnenburg at sympatico.ca (Ed Sonnenburg)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 17:33:34 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia]  Walter, please unblock my address
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP25A30A2F770D5D044EE086C1A20@phx.gbl>


 
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: Ed Sonnenburg 
Date: 3/7/2009 12:53:55 PM 
To: Volhynia Listserver 
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Walter, please unblock my address 
 
Ich bin von die Ruhigen!! Und sage nur AB und zu etwas. 
 
Die Henkelmann und Krebs Familien wohnen in Kanada. 
 
Edmund Krebs ist jetzt 99 Jahre alt und lebt in Toronto. 
Er hat ein Buch geschrieben ueber seine Erlebnisse in 
Wolhynien. In Amelin war der Anfang der Gemeinde Gottes. 
 
 
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: G?nther B?hm 
Date: 3/7/2009 8:55:47 AM 
To: Wolhynien-Liste 
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Walter, please unblock my address 
 
Hello Walter (MARZINKE), 
Several times I tried to send you an off-list message and received just 
Error messages like this one: 
 
Ihre Nachricht an 'marzinke at sbcglobal.net' konnte nicht zugestellt werden 
SMTP module(domain sbcglobal.net) reports: 
Return-path address <GHBoehm at ish.de> rejected by sbcmx8.prodigy.net: 
553 5.3.0 nlpi093 - n27ChKmd022942, DNSBL:ATTRBL 521< 80.69.98.250
>_is_blocked.__For_information_see_http://att.net/blocks 
 

That' why I now try it through the listserv and beg every's pardon. 
 
G?nther B?hm schrieb: 
> Ed Sonnenburg schrieb einem Beitrag an die Liste am 21.1.2002 vom 
Kirchspiel Tutschin und von R?bensdorf I'm Kreis Ostrogorsk, Bezirk Orenburg
 
> Vielleicht fragen Sie ihn einmal, ich habe allerdings Lange nichts 
Mehr von ihm gelesen. Er hatte damals die Adressen 
esonnenburg at porchlight.ca und 708186 at ican.net . 
 
 
Hallo Walter, 
Hier muss ich mich korrigieren (DA ist ihm etwas durcheinandergeraten): 
Ostrogorsk lag nicht I'm Oblast Orenburg sondern in der Ukraine I'm Oblast 
Nikolaiew (Mykolayiv), die beiden geh?rten also nicht in die gleiche Zeile. 
 
Doch vielleicht hilft eine andere Entdeckung: 
In einer Traueranzeige in der "Evangeliums-Posaune" vom 15.3.2005 hei?t 
Es unter der Rubrik "Entschlafen" (ich kopiere am besten den ganzen 
Artikel): 
 
"Toronto, Kanada 
Der Herr ?ber Leben und Tod hat es in seinem weisen Rat f?r gut 
Angesehen, unsre liebe Schwester I'm Herrn, AURELIE KREBS, am 6. 
Januar 2005 in die obere Heimat abzurufen. Aurelie Krebs wurde am 
26. November l9l7 den Eltern Ludwig und Martha HENKELMANN in 
R?bensdorf, Kreis Orenburg am Ural in Sibirien, Russland, geboren. 
Dorthin wurden ihre Eltern I'm ersten Weltkrieg vertrieben. I'm Jahre 
L9l8 kehrte sie mit den Eltern nach Wolhynien, Polen zur?ck. Dort in 
Zelanka, Kreis Rowno, wohnte sie I'm Elternhaus, bis sie sich I'm Jahr 
L935 mit Edmund Krebs verheiratete. Der Herr segnete ihre Ehe mit 
Vier Kindern. An der Seite ihres lieben Mannes, den Gott I'm 
Weinberge Des Herrn gebrauchte, mussten sie etwa zehnmal umziehen. 
Einige wesentliche Umz?ge waren: l935 nach Marjanowka, Kreis Rowno, 
Wolhynien; l940 Umsiedlung nach Kirschenhof, Kreis 
Warthbr?cken,Warthegau; l946 nach Wellringshausen, Hessen, 
Deutschland; I'm selben Jahr nach Waddenhausen, Kreis Detmold und 
L952 nach Herford, in Nordrhein-Westfalen. Dann kam der Ruf von der 
Gemeinde Gottes in Toronto und die Familie wanderte l954 nach Kanada 
Aus. L96l ging der Weg in den Gemeindedienst nach Calgary, Alberta; 
L964 in die Bibelschule nach Edmonton, Alberta; l967 in den 
Gemeindedienst nach Union City, New Jersey, USA und in l972 zogen 
Geschwister Krebs wieder nach Toronto. I'm Jahre l945 musste 
Schwester Krebs die beschwerliche Flucht ohne die St?tze ihres 
Mannes, der in der Wehrmacht war, mit ihren vier kleinen Kindern 
Durchmachen. Gott gab Gnade, dass die Familie l946 wieder 
Zusammenfand und die Schwester konnte weiterhin ihrem Mann I'm 
Gemeindedienst treu zur Seite stehen und zusammen mit ihm und der 
Familie Freud und Leid teilen. In ihrem Elternhaus wurde Aurelie 
Schon als Kind mit den biblischen Wahrheiten, die zu der Zeit in 
Wolhynien 
verk?ndigt wurden, bekannt. Sie bekehrte sich mit l4 Jahren und lie? 
Sich auch bald darauf biblisch taufen. Mit gro?er Freudigkeit und 
Ganzem Einsatz beteiligte sie sich in den Gottesdiensten. 
Der Herr gab ihr eine gute Sopranstimme, die sie zu Gottes Ehre und 
Zum Segen der Zuh?rer erschallen lie?. Durch ihr frohes Gem?t konnte 
Sie als Predigerfrau sowie als Ehegattin, Mutter, 
Gro?mutter und Urgro?mutter viel Sonnenschein ausstrahlen. Es war 
Bruder Edmund Krebs verg?nnt fast 70 Jahre seine Gattin an seiner 
Seite zu haben. I'm Kreis der Gemeinde hier in Toronto feierten die 
Geschwister noch ihr 60-j?hriges Hochzeitsjubil?um. Solange ihre 
Eltern noch lebten, reisten sie gemeinsam etwa zehnmal nach 
Deutschland zu Besuch. Da Schwester Krebs eine Liebhaberin von 
Blumen war, zierte eine Blumenpracht ihren Garten und ihr Haus. 
Innen versch?nerte ihre feine Handarbeit W?nde und Tische. I'm Alter 
Machte sich immer mehr ein Herzleiden bei Schwester Krebs bemerkbar, 
Das ihr zu Zeiten viel Schmerzen bereitete. Sie konnte in der letzen 
Zeit die Gottesdienste nicht mehr regelm??ig besuchen, was ja immer 
ihre Freude war. Dieses Leiden verursachte Herzanf?lle, wodurch sie 
sichtbar schw?cher wurde, bis der Herr sie davon erl?ste. Im 
Krankenhaus vor ihrem Abscheiden hat Bruder Krebs seiner Gattin noch 
den Abschnitt von der erl?sten Schar vor dem Throne Gottes aus 
Offenbarung 7 gelesen. Bald darauf nahm der Herr sein Kind im 
Beisein ihres Ehegatten und ihrer vier T?chter zu sich in die obere 
Heimat. Schwester Krebs hinterl?sst ihren tief betr?bten Gatten, 
Edmund Krebs; vier T?chter: Edith Both mit Ehemann Albert Both; 
Gerda Weidner mit Ehemann Willi Weidner; Irmgard Wegner mit Ehemann 
Reinhard Wegner und Anita Krebs mit Ehemann Eric Carstens. Ferner 
hinterl?sst sie zehn Enkelkinder und l9 Urenkel sowie sechs 
leibliche Geschwister: Herta Kreuzmann, Deutschland; Lina Bauer, 
Toronto; Ilse Reim, Deutschland; Norbert Henkelmann, USA; Martha 
L?wen, USA und Helga Wolske, USA. Auch viele Verwandte, Freunde und 
Geschwister, die sie kennenlernen durfte, sowie die Geschwister der 
Gemeinde zu Toronto trauern um das Abscheiden der lieben Schwester. 
Doch als Kinder Gottes haben wir den Trost eines Wiedersehens beim 
Herrn. 
R. Roesler" 
 
Zelanka war ein Nachbarort von Amelin und da es keine Kirche hatte, 
vermutlich nach Amelin zust?ndig. In Amelin gab es ?brigens auch den 
Namen HENKELMANN! 
Sicher werden Sie von den genannten Familienangeh?rigen mehr ?ber die 
Verschleppung nach R?bensdorf im Kreis Orenburg erfahren k?nnen. 
 
Helga WOLSKE 
4730 E Britain Ave 
Benton Harbor, MI 49022-8705 
(269) 944-1545 
Household: Michael J. WOLSKE 
 
Norbert HENKELMANN 
Saint Joseph, MI (80 Jahre, kein Eintrag im Telefonbuch) 
 
 
W?nsche ein sch?nes Wochenende, 
G?nther 
 
 

 


From GHBoehm at ish.de  Sat Mar  7 15:35:12 2009
From: GHBoehm at ish.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=FCnther_B=F6hm?=)
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 00:35:12 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Versuchen mal meine Emil addresse
In-Reply-To: <130100C84DEF4993986826748ECFA6A1@WalterHomePC>
References: <130100C84DEF4993986826748ECFA6A1@WalterHomePC>
Message-ID: <49B304B0.9010700@ish.de>

Walter Marzinke schrieb:
> die addressee is marzinke at sbcglobal.net 
> <mailto:marzinke at sbcglobal.net>.  Warum es  diese ( ' ) aufgenommen 
> hat weis ich nicht.
> Danke.

Hallo Walter,
das war ja die Adresse, die meine Mails zur?ckgeschickt hat - eben schon 
wieder!
Bitte eine andere!

Gr??e,
G?nther B?hm


From jeffkrebs at shaw.ca  Sat Mar  7 20:00:40 2009
From: jeffkrebs at shaw.ca (Jeff Krebs)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:00:40 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Edmund Krebs ties to Volhynia
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP25A30A2F770D5D044EE086C1A20@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP25A30A2F770D5D044EE086C1A20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAN9bKDrhL2FPhsII4W4Usw3CgAAAEAAAANHkcQmabX5Gj0dOzW+nM8ABAAAAAA==@shaw.ca>

Does anyone on the site have family ties to Edmund.  I'd like to investigate
possible connections to my Krebs.

Thank you,

Jeff Krebs

9526-85 Street
Fort Saskatchewan, AB
T8L 2T9

Tel: (780) 998-9918
Cell: (780) 722-5279
Email: jeffkrebs at shaw.ca



-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Ed
Sonnenburg
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:34 PM
To: Volhynia Listserver
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Walter, please unblock my address


 
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: Ed Sonnenburg 
Date: 3/7/2009 12:53:55 PM 
To: Volhynia Listserver 
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Walter, please unblock my address 
 
Ich bin von die Ruhigen!! Und sage nur AB und zu etwas. 
 
Die Henkelmann und Krebs Familien wohnen in Kanada. 
 
Edmund Krebs ist jetzt 99 Jahre alt und lebt in Toronto. 
Er hat ein Buch geschrieben ueber seine Erlebnisse in 
Wolhynien. In Amelin war der Anfang der Gemeinde Gottes. 
 
 
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: G?nther B?hm 
Date: 3/7/2009 8:55:47 AM 
To: Wolhynien-Liste 
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Walter, please unblock my address 
 
Hello Walter (MARZINKE), 
Several times I tried to send you an off-list message and received just 
Error messages like this one: 
 
Ihre Nachricht an 'marzinke at sbcglobal.net' konnte nicht zugestellt werden 
SMTP module(domain sbcglobal.net) reports: 
Return-path address <GHBoehm at ish.de> rejected by sbcmx8.prodigy.net: 
553 5.3.0 nlpi093 - n27ChKmd022942, DNSBL:ATTRBL 521< 80.69.98.250
>_is_blocked.__For_information_see_http://att.net/blocks 
 

That' why I now try it through the listserv and beg every's pardon. 
 
G?nther B?hm schrieb: 
> Ed Sonnenburg schrieb einem Beitrag an die Liste am 21.1.2002 vom 
Kirchspiel Tutschin und von R?bensdorf I'm Kreis Ostrogorsk, Bezirk Orenburg
 
> Vielleicht fragen Sie ihn einmal, ich habe allerdings Lange nichts 
Mehr von ihm gelesen. Er hatte damals die Adressen 
esonnenburg at porchlight.ca und 708186 at ican.net . 
 
 
Hallo Walter, 
Hier muss ich mich korrigieren (DA ist ihm etwas durcheinandergeraten): 
Ostrogorsk lag nicht I'm Oblast Orenburg sondern in der Ukraine I'm Oblast 
Nikolaiew (Mykolayiv), die beiden geh?rten also nicht in die gleiche Zeile. 
 
Doch vielleicht hilft eine andere Entdeckung: 
In einer Traueranzeige in der "Evangeliums-Posaune" vom 15.3.2005 hei?t 
Es unter der Rubrik "Entschlafen" (ich kopiere am besten den ganzen 
Artikel): 
 
"Toronto, Kanada 
Der Herr ?ber Leben und Tod hat es in seinem weisen Rat f?r gut 
Angesehen, unsre liebe Schwester I'm Herrn, AURELIE KREBS, am 6. 
Januar 2005 in die obere Heimat abzurufen. Aurelie Krebs wurde am 
26. November l9l7 den Eltern Ludwig und Martha HENKELMANN in 
R?bensdorf, Kreis Orenburg am Ural in Sibirien, Russland, geboren. 
Dorthin wurden ihre Eltern I'm ersten Weltkrieg vertrieben. I'm Jahre 
L9l8 kehrte sie mit den Eltern nach Wolhynien, Polen zur?ck. Dort in 
Zelanka, Kreis Rowno, wohnte sie I'm Elternhaus, bis sie sich I'm Jahr 
L935 mit Edmund Krebs verheiratete. Der Herr segnete ihre Ehe mit 
Vier Kindern. An der Seite ihres lieben Mannes, den Gott I'm 
Weinberge Des Herrn gebrauchte, mussten sie etwa zehnmal umziehen. 
Einige wesentliche Umz?ge waren: l935 nach Marjanowka, Kreis Rowno, 
Wolhynien; l940 Umsiedlung nach Kirschenhof, Kreis 
Warthbr?cken,Warthegau; l946 nach Wellringshausen, Hessen, 
Deutschland; I'm selben Jahr nach Waddenhausen, Kreis Detmold und 
L952 nach Herford, in Nordrhein-Westfalen. Dann kam der Ruf von der 
Gemeinde Gottes in Toronto und die Familie wanderte l954 nach Kanada 
Aus. L96l ging der Weg in den Gemeindedienst nach Calgary, Alberta; 
L964 in die Bibelschule nach Edmonton, Alberta; l967 in den 
Gemeindedienst nach Union City, New Jersey, USA und in l972 zogen 
Geschwister Krebs wieder nach Toronto. I'm Jahre l945 musste 
Schwester Krebs die beschwerliche Flucht ohne die St?tze ihres 
Mannes, der in der Wehrmacht war, mit ihren vier kleinen Kindern 
Durchmachen. Gott gab Gnade, dass die Familie l946 wieder 
Zusammenfand und die Schwester konnte weiterhin ihrem Mann I'm 
Gemeindedienst treu zur Seite stehen und zusammen mit ihm und der 
Familie Freud und Leid teilen. In ihrem Elternhaus wurde Aurelie 
Schon als Kind mit den biblischen Wahrheiten, die zu der Zeit in 
Wolhynien 
verk?ndigt wurden, bekannt. Sie bekehrte sich mit l4 Jahren und lie? 
Sich auch bald darauf biblisch taufen. Mit gro?er Freudigkeit und 
Ganzem Einsatz beteiligte sie sich in den Gottesdiensten. 
Der Herr gab ihr eine gute Sopranstimme, die sie zu Gottes Ehre und 
Zum Segen der Zuh?rer erschallen lie?. Durch ihr frohes Gem?t konnte 
Sie als Predigerfrau sowie als Ehegattin, Mutter, 
Gro?mutter und Urgro?mutter viel Sonnenschein ausstrahlen. Es war 
Bruder Edmund Krebs verg?nnt fast 70 Jahre seine Gattin an seiner 
Seite zu haben. I'm Kreis der Gemeinde hier in Toronto feierten die 
Geschwister noch ihr 60-j?hriges Hochzeitsjubil?um. Solange ihre 
Eltern noch lebten, reisten sie gemeinsam etwa zehnmal nach 
Deutschland zu Besuch. Da Schwester Krebs eine Liebhaberin von 
Blumen war, zierte eine Blumenpracht ihren Garten und ihr Haus. 
Innen versch?nerte ihre feine Handarbeit W?nde und Tische. I'm Alter 
Machte sich immer mehr ein Herzleiden bei Schwester Krebs bemerkbar, 
Das ihr zu Zeiten viel Schmerzen bereitete. Sie konnte in der letzen 
Zeit die Gottesdienste nicht mehr regelm??ig besuchen, was ja immer 
ihre Freude war. Dieses Leiden verursachte Herzanf?lle, wodurch sie 
sichtbar schw?cher wurde, bis der Herr sie davon erl?ste. Im 
Krankenhaus vor ihrem Abscheiden hat Bruder Krebs seiner Gattin noch 
den Abschnitt von der erl?sten Schar vor dem Throne Gottes aus 
Offenbarung 7 gelesen. Bald darauf nahm der Herr sein Kind im 
Beisein ihres Ehegatten und ihrer vier T?chter zu sich in die obere 
Heimat. Schwester Krebs hinterl?sst ihren tief betr?bten Gatten, 
Edmund Krebs; vier T?chter: Edith Both mit Ehemann Albert Both; 
Gerda Weidner mit Ehemann Willi Weidner; Irmgard Wegner mit Ehemann 
Reinhard Wegner und Anita Krebs mit Ehemann Eric Carstens. Ferner 
hinterl?sst sie zehn Enkelkinder und l9 Urenkel sowie sechs 
leibliche Geschwister: Herta Kreuzmann, Deutschland; Lina Bauer, 
Toronto; Ilse Reim, Deutschland; Norbert Henkelmann, USA; Martha 
L?wen, USA und Helga Wolske, USA. Auch viele Verwandte, Freunde und 
Geschwister, die sie kennenlernen durfte, sowie die Geschwister der 
Gemeinde zu Toronto trauern um das Abscheiden der lieben Schwester. 
Doch als Kinder Gottes haben wir den Trost eines Wiedersehens beim 
Herrn. 
R. Roesler" 
 
Zelanka war ein Nachbarort von Amelin und da es keine Kirche hatte, 
vermutlich nach Amelin zust?ndig. In Amelin gab es ?brigens auch den 
Namen HENKELMANN! 
Sicher werden Sie von den genannten Familienangeh?rigen mehr ?ber die 
Verschleppung nach R?bensdorf im Kreis Orenburg erfahren k?nnen. 
 
Helga WOLSKE 
4730 E Britain Ave 
Benton Harbor, MI 49022-8705 
(269) 944-1545 
Household: Michael J. WOLSKE 
 
Norbert HENKELMANN 
Saint Joseph, MI (80 Jahre, kein Eintrag im Telefonbuch) 
 
 
W?nsche ein sch?nes Wochenende, 
G?nther 
 
 

 

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From Hannes.Werner at online.de  Sun Mar  8 05:31:59 2009
From: Hannes.Werner at online.de (Hannes Werner)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 13:31:59 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Edmund Krebs ties to Volhynia
References: <BLU0-SMTP25A30A2F770D5D044EE086C1A20@phx.gbl>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAN9bKDrhL2FPhsII4W4Usw3CgAAAEAAAANHkcQmabX5Gj0dOzW+nM8ABAAAAAA==@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001101c99fe9$e127fb60$f800a8c0@end2000>

Hello Jeff,

there is some other information to share about possible connections.
In March 1940, while August Krebs (father of Edmund) stayed in a
resettlement-camp at Langensalza, he stated that
- one brother, Adolf Krebs, already has been in Germany near Berlin
- his brother Friedrich had emigrated to USA, "Harbor"?, Indiana
- brother Chistoph and sister Paulina were still in Volhynia (maybe at this
time August had no message that his siblings also had left Volhynia ?)
There is a short handwritten description of experiences of August Krebs and
his family (included Edmund) from time period WW I  up to resettlement.

brothers and sisters of Edmund Krebs:
Erna, *1907 Kolowert, +1907
Edmund, *03.08.1908 Kurasch, oo Aurelie Henkelmann
Bernhard, *24.12.1909 Kolowert, oo Adeline Rosenthal
Adolf, *1911 Kolowert, +1911
Heinrich, *1913 Tsykitschin, +1915
Ewald, *1912 Tsykitschin, +1915 Samara/Russia
Adele, *1916 Katharinenstadt
Willi, *1922 Kolowert
Ernst, *1924 Kolowert

parents of August Krebs and his wife Emilie W?nsch
Matthias Krebs, *~1838, +1896
oo Karoline Breier, *~1839 near Lodz, +1916 Russia (while displacement)
Karl W?nsch, *~1857 Wladyslawow/Konin
Auguste Sonnenburg, *186?   ?Gr?nthal?

I have some other information on another August Krebs (*1895, oo Mathilde
R?sler; parents: Christoph Krebs + Wilhelmine R?sler; Johann R?sler + Amalie
Weidmann)

best wishes

Hannes Werner
Germany



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Krebs" <jeffkrebs at shaw.ca>
To: "'Ed Sonnenburg'" <esonnenburg at sympatico.ca>; "'Volhynia Listserver'"
<ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Edmund Krebs ties to Volhynia


Does anyone on the site have family ties to Edmund.  I'd like to investigate
possible connections to my Krebs.

Thank you,

Jeff Krebs

9526-85 Street
Fort Saskatchewan, AB
T8L 2T9

Tel: (780) 998-9918
Cell: (780) 722-5279
Email: jeffkrebs at shaw.ca



-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Ed
Sonnenburg
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:34 PM
To: Volhynia Listserver
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Walter, please unblock my address




-------Original Message-------

From: Ed Sonnenburg
Date: 3/7/2009 12:53:55 PM
To: Volhynia Listserver
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Walter, please unblock my address

Ich bin von die Ruhigen!! Und sage nur AB und zu etwas.

Die Henkelmann und Krebs Familien wohnen in Kanada.

Edmund Krebs ist jetzt 99 Jahre alt und lebt in Toronto.
Er hat ein Buch geschrieben ueber seine Erlebnisse in
Wolhynien. In Amelin war der Anfang der Gemeinde Gottes.



-------Original Message-------

From: G?nther B?hm
Date: 3/7/2009 8:55:47 AM
To: Wolhynien-Liste
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Walter, please unblock my address

Hello Walter (MARZINKE),
Several times I tried to send you an off-list message and received just
Error messages like this one:

Ihre Nachricht an 'marzinke at sbcglobal.net' konnte nicht zugestellt werden
SMTP module(domain sbcglobal.net) reports:
Return-path address <GHBoehm at ish.de> rejected by sbcmx8.prodigy.net:
553 5.3.0 nlpi093 - n27ChKmd022942, DNSBL:ATTRBL 521< 80.69.98.250
>_is_blocked.__For_information_see_http://att.net/blocks


That' why I now try it through the listserv and beg every's pardon.

G?nther B?hm schrieb:
> Ed Sonnenburg schrieb einem Beitrag an die Liste am 21.1.2002 vom
Kirchspiel Tutschin und von R?bensdorf I'm Kreis Ostrogorsk, Bezirk Orenburg

> Vielleicht fragen Sie ihn einmal, ich habe allerdings Lange nichts
Mehr von ihm gelesen. Er hatte damals die Adressen
esonnenburg at porchlight.ca und 708186 at ican.net .


Hallo Walter,
Hier muss ich mich korrigieren (DA ist ihm etwas durcheinandergeraten):
Ostrogorsk lag nicht I'm Oblast Orenburg sondern in der Ukraine I'm Oblast
Nikolaiew (Mykolayiv), die beiden geh?rten also nicht in die gleiche Zeile.

Doch vielleicht hilft eine andere Entdeckung:
In einer Traueranzeige in der "Evangeliums-Posaune" vom 15.3.2005 hei?t
Es unter der Rubrik "Entschlafen" (ich kopiere am besten den ganzen
Artikel):

"Toronto, Kanada
Der Herr ?ber Leben und Tod hat es in seinem weisen Rat f?r gut
Angesehen, unsre liebe Schwester I'm Herrn, AURELIE KREBS, am 6.
Januar 2005 in die obere Heimat abzurufen. Aurelie Krebs wurde am
26. November l9l7 den Eltern Ludwig und Martha HENKELMANN in
R?bensdorf, Kreis Orenburg am Ural in Sibirien, Russland, geboren.
Dorthin wurden ihre Eltern I'm ersten Weltkrieg vertrieben. I'm Jahre
L9l8 kehrte sie mit den Eltern nach Wolhynien, Polen zur?ck. Dort in
Zelanka, Kreis Rowno, wohnte sie I'm Elternhaus, bis sie sich I'm Jahr
L935 mit Edmund Krebs verheiratete. Der Herr segnete ihre Ehe mit
Vier Kindern. An der Seite ihres lieben Mannes, den Gott I'm
Weinberge Des Herrn gebrauchte, mussten sie etwa zehnmal umziehen.
Einige wesentliche Umz?ge waren: l935 nach Marjanowka, Kreis Rowno,
Wolhynien; l940 Umsiedlung nach Kirschenhof, Kreis
Warthbr?cken,Warthegau; l946 nach Wellringshausen, Hessen,
Deutschland; I'm selben Jahr nach Waddenhausen, Kreis Detmold und
L952 nach Herford, in Nordrhein-Westfalen. Dann kam der Ruf von der
Gemeinde Gottes in Toronto und die Familie wanderte l954 nach Kanada
Aus. L96l ging der Weg in den Gemeindedienst nach Calgary, Alberta;
L964 in die Bibelschule nach Edmonton, Alberta; l967 in den
Gemeindedienst nach Union City, New Jersey, USA und in l972 zogen
Geschwister Krebs wieder nach Toronto. I'm Jahre l945 musste
Schwester Krebs die beschwerliche Flucht ohne die St?tze ihres
Mannes, der in der Wehrmacht war, mit ihren vier kleinen Kindern
Durchmachen. Gott gab Gnade, dass die Familie l946 wieder
Zusammenfand und die Schwester konnte weiterhin ihrem Mann I'm
Gemeindedienst treu zur Seite stehen und zusammen mit ihm und der
Familie Freud und Leid teilen. In ihrem Elternhaus wurde Aurelie
Schon als Kind mit den biblischen Wahrheiten, die zu der Zeit in
Wolhynien
verk?ndigt wurden, bekannt. Sie bekehrte sich mit l4 Jahren und lie?
Sich auch bald darauf biblisch taufen. Mit gro?er Freudigkeit und
Ganzem Einsatz beteiligte sie sich in den Gottesdiensten.
Der Herr gab ihr eine gute Sopranstimme, die sie zu Gottes Ehre und
Zum Segen der Zuh?rer erschallen lie?. Durch ihr frohes Gem?t konnte
Sie als Predigerfrau sowie als Ehegattin, Mutter,
Gro?mutter und Urgro?mutter viel Sonnenschein ausstrahlen. Es war
Bruder Edmund Krebs verg?nnt fast 70 Jahre seine Gattin an seiner
Seite zu haben. I'm Kreis der Gemeinde hier in Toronto feierten die
Geschwister noch ihr 60-j?hriges Hochzeitsjubil?um. Solange ihre
Eltern noch lebten, reisten sie gemeinsam etwa zehnmal nach
Deutschland zu Besuch. Da Schwester Krebs eine Liebhaberin von
Blumen war, zierte eine Blumenpracht ihren Garten und ihr Haus.
Innen versch?nerte ihre feine Handarbeit W?nde und Tische. I'm Alter
Machte sich immer mehr ein Herzleiden bei Schwester Krebs bemerkbar,
Das ihr zu Zeiten viel Schmerzen bereitete. Sie konnte in der letzen
Zeit die Gottesdienste nicht mehr regelm??ig besuchen, was ja immer
ihre Freude war. Dieses Leiden verursachte Herzanf?lle, wodurch sie
sichtbar schw?cher wurde, bis der Herr sie davon erl?ste. Im
Krankenhaus vor ihrem Abscheiden hat Bruder Krebs seiner Gattin noch
den Abschnitt von der erl?sten Schar vor dem Throne Gottes aus
Offenbarung 7 gelesen. Bald darauf nahm der Herr sein Kind im
Beisein ihres Ehegatten und ihrer vier T?chter zu sich in die obere
Heimat. Schwester Krebs hinterl?sst ihren tief betr?bten Gatten,
Edmund Krebs; vier T?chter: Edith Both mit Ehemann Albert Both;
Gerda Weidner mit Ehemann Willi Weidner; Irmgard Wegner mit Ehemann
Reinhard Wegner und Anita Krebs mit Ehemann Eric Carstens. Ferner
hinterl?sst sie zehn Enkelkinder und l9 Urenkel sowie sechs
leibliche Geschwister: Herta Kreuzmann, Deutschland; Lina Bauer,
Toronto; Ilse Reim, Deutschland; Norbert Henkelmann, USA; Martha
L?wen, USA und Helga Wolske, USA. Auch viele Verwandte, Freunde und
Geschwister, die sie kennenlernen durfte, sowie die Geschwister der
Gemeinde zu Toronto trauern um das Abscheiden der lieben Schwester.
Doch als Kinder Gottes haben wir den Trost eines Wiedersehens beim
Herrn.
R. Roesler"

Zelanka war ein Nachbarort von Amelin und da es keine Kirche hatte,
vermutlich nach Amelin zust?ndig. In Amelin gab es ?brigens auch den
Namen HENKELMANN!
Sicher werden Sie von den genannten Familienangeh?rigen mehr ?ber die
Verschleppung nach R?bensdorf im Kreis Orenburg erfahren k?nnen.

Helga WOLSKE
4730 E Britain Ave
Benton Harbor, MI 49022-8705
(269) 944-1545
Household: Michael J. WOLSKE

Norbert HENKELMANN
Saint Joseph, MI (80 Jahre, kein Eintrag im Telefonbuch)


W?nsche ein sch?nes Wochenende,
G?nther





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From Manfred.Sommerfeld at t-online.de  Sun Mar  8 05:49:29 2009
From: Manfred.Sommerfeld at t-online.de (Manfred Sommerfeld)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 13:49:29 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 70,
	Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1236456002.18034.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
References: <mailman.1.1236456002.18034.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID: <454E8156DBCD4831AB9325D0542A8E78@ManfredviPC>

Hello,

you can take a look at the webpage of Jan Textor, where you can find a lot
of Lieske and Riske from the Chodecz area -  http://textor.dk/przedecz/html/
- 

 Manfred Sommerfeld

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:52:09 -0700
From: "Richard Stein" <ra_stein at telus.net>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lieske
To: "ken sommerfeld" <tyrafarms at kootenaywireless.com>,	"Kerstin
	Petersen" <kerstin.petersen at mail.dk>,	"Sggee Mailingliste"
	<ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
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	reply-type=original

Ken,

Is Golskie Holendry near Chodecz, Poland?  I have a Eva Rosine Liske/Lieske,
ca1803 - 1856, married to Gottlieb Riske, lived in Jozefki, also near
Chodecz.  Her death record gives her birthplace as Dabrowice, Kutno, and her
father as Michael Liske.

Dick Stein


----- Original Message -----
From: "ken sommerfeld" <tyrafarms at kootenaywireless.com>
To: "Kerstin Petersen" <kerstin.petersen at mail.dk>; "Sggee Mailingliste"
<ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lieske


>
> Kerstin
>
> I have an Elisabeth Liske or Lieske married to Gottfried Sommerfeld living
> in the Golskie Holendry area in about 1820. One of their sons Franz later
> moved to the Sobolew area of NW of Lublin. I have no information on
> Elisabeth's parents or any siblings. She would have been born about 1790
> and
> died before 1843.
>
>
> Ken Sommerfeld
>
> A farmer who cultivates his own field with his own hands,
> unites in his own person the three different characters of
> "landlord, farmer and labourer."
> His "produce", therefore, should pay him the rent of the
> first,  the profit of the second and the wages of the third.
>
> (origin unknown)
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kerstin Petersen" <kerstin.petersen at mail.dk>
> To: "Sggee Mailingliste" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:21 AM
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lieske
>
>
>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I am researching Lieske. My gr.grandmother was born Lieske. In Dryszno
>>> (I am not sure of the spelling) by Lublin. Her name was Julie Lieske
>>> 1854, father was Martin Lieske.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Kerstin Petersen
>>> Denmark
>>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:45:14 -0800
From: "ken sommerfeld" <tyrafarms at kootenaywireless.com>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lieske
To: "Richard Stein" <ra_stein at telus.net>,	"Kerstin Petersen"
	<kerstin.petersen at mail.dk>,	"Sggee Mailingliste"
	<ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
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DIck,

Yes, Chodecz is the parish name given on the info I have.


Ken Sommerfeld

A farmer who cultivates his own field with his own hands,
unites in his own person the three different characters of
"landlord, farmer and labourer."
His "produce", therefore, should pay him the rent of the
first,  the profit of the second and the wages of the third.

(origin unknown)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Stein" <ra_stein at telus.net>
To: "ken sommerfeld" <tyrafarms at kootenaywireless.com>; "Kerstin Petersen" 
<kerstin.petersen at mail.dk>; "Sggee Mailingliste" 
<ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lieske


> Ken,
>
> Is Golskie Holendry near Chodecz, Poland?  I have a Eva Rosine 
> Liske/Lieske,
> ca1803 - 1856, married to Gottlieb Riske, lived in Jozefki, also near
> Chodecz.  Her death record gives her birthplace as Dabrowice, Kutno, and 
> her
> father as Michael Liske.
>
> Dick Stein
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "ken sommerfeld" <tyrafarms at kootenaywireless.com>
> To: "Kerstin Petersen" <kerstin.petersen at mail.dk>; "Sggee Mailingliste"
> <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lieske
>
>
>>
>> Kerstin
>>
>> I have an Elisabeth Liske or Lieske married to Gottfried Sommerfeld 
>> living
>> in the Golskie Holendry area in about 1820. One of their sons Franz later
>> moved to the Sobolew area of NW of Lublin. I have no information on
>> Elisabeth's parents or any siblings. She would have been born about 1790
>> and
>> died before 1843.
>>
>>
>> Ken Sommerfeld
>>
>> A farmer who cultivates his own field with his own hands,
>> unites in his own person the three different characters of
>> "landlord, farmer and labourer."
>> His "produce", therefore, should pay him the rent of the
>> first,  the profit of the second and the wages of the third.
>>
>> (origin unknown)
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Kerstin Petersen" <kerstin.petersen at mail.dk>
>> To: "Sggee Mailingliste" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:21 AM
>> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lieske
>>
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I am researching Lieske. My gr.grandmother was born Lieske. In Dryszno
>>>> (I am not sure of the spelling) by Lublin. Her name was Julie Lieske
>>>> 1854, father was Martin Lieske.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Kerstin Petersen
>>>> Denmark
>>>
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 14:52:41 +0100
From: G?nther B?hm <GHBoehm at ish.de>
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Walter, please unblock my address
To: Wolhynien-Liste <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID: <49B27C29.9020904 at ish.de>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed

Hello Walter (MARZINKE),
several times I tried to send you an off-list message and received just 
error messages like this one:

    Ihre Nachricht an 'marzinke at sbcglobal.net' konnte nicht zugestellt
werden
    SMTP module(domain sbcglobal.net) reports:
     return-path address <GHBoehm at ish.de> rejected by sbcmx8.prodigy.net:
     553 5.3.0 nlpi093 - n27ChKmd022942, DNSBL:ATTRBL 521< 80.69.98.250
>_is_blocked.__For_information_see_http://att.net/blocks
      

That' why I now try it through the listserv and beg every's pardon.

G?nther B?hm schrieb:
 > Ed Sonnenburg schrieb einem Beitrag an die Liste am 21.1.2002 vom 
Kirchspiel Tutschin und von R?bensdorf im Kreis Ostrogorsk, Bezirk Orenburg.
 > Vielleicht fragen Sie ihn einmal, ich habe allerdings lange nichts 
mehr von ihm gelesen. Er hatte damals die Adressen  
esonnenburg at porchlight.ca und  708186 at ican.net .


Hallo Walter,
hier muss ich mich korrigieren (da ist ihm etwas durcheinandergeraten):
Ostrogorsk lag nicht im Oblast Orenburg sondern in der Ukraine im Oblast 
Nikolaiew (Mykolayiv), die beiden geh?rten also nicht in die gleiche Zeile.

Doch vielleicht hilft eine andere Entdeckung:
In einer Traueranzeige in der "Evangeliums-Posaune" vom 15.3.2005 hei?t 
es unter der Rubrik "Entschlafen" (ich kopiere am besten den ganzen 
Artikel):

   "Toronto, Kanada
   Der Herr ?ber Leben und Tod hat es in seinem weisen Rat f?r gut
   angesehen, unsre liebe Schwester im Herrn, AURELIE KREBS, am 6.
   Januar 2005 in die obere Heimat abzurufen. Aurelie Krebs wurde am
   26. November l9l7 den Eltern Ludwig und Martha HENKELMANN in
   R?bensdorf, Kreis Orenburg am Ural in Sibirien, Russland, geboren.
   Dorthin wurden ihre Eltern im ersten Weltkrieg vertrieben. Im Jahre
   l9l8 kehrte sie mit den Eltern nach Wolhynien, Polen zur?ck. Dort in
   Zelanka, Kreis Rowno, wohnte sie im Elternhaus, bis sie sich im Jahr
   l935 mit Edmund Krebs verheiratete. Der Herr segnete ihre Ehe mit
   vier Kindern. An der Seite ihres lieben Mannes, den Gott im
   Weinberge des Herrn gebrauchte, mussten sie etwa zehnmal umziehen.
   Einige wesentliche Umz?ge waren: l935 nach Marjanowka, Kreis Rowno,
   Wolhynien; l940 Umsiedlung nach Kirschenhof, Kreis
   Warthbr?cken,Warthegau; l946 nach Wellringshausen, Hessen,
   Deutschland; im selben Jahr nach Waddenhausen, Kreis Detmold und
   l952 nach Herford, in Nordrhein-Westfalen. Dann kam der Ruf von der
   Gemeinde Gottes in Toronto und die Familie wanderte l954 nach Kanada
   aus. l96l ging der Weg in den Gemeindedienst nach Calgary, Alberta;
   l964 in die Bibelschule nach Edmonton, Alberta; l967 in den
   Gemeindedienst nach Union City, New Jersey, USA und in l972 zogen
   Geschwister Krebs wieder nach Toronto. Im Jahre l945 musste
   Schwester Krebs die beschwerliche Flucht ohne die St?tze ihres
   Mannes, der in der Wehrmacht war, mit ihren vier kleinen Kindern
   durchmachen. Gott gab Gnade, dass die Familie l946 wieder
   zusammenfand und die Schwester konnte weiterhin ihrem Mann im
   Gemeindedienst treu zur Seite stehen und zusammen mit ihm und der
   Familie Freud und Leid teilen. In ihrem Elternhaus wurde Aurelie
   schon als Kind mit den biblischen Wahrheiten, die zu der Zeit in
   Wolhynien
   verk?ndigt wurden, bekannt. Sie bekehrte sich mit l4 Jahren und lie?
   sich auch bald darauf biblisch taufen. Mit gro?er Freudigkeit und
   ganzem Einsatz beteiligte sie sich in den Gottesdiensten.
   Der Herr gab ihr eine gute Sopranstimme, die sie zu Gottes Ehre und
   zum Segen der Zuh?rer erschallen lie?. Durch ihr frohes Gem?t konnte
   sie als Predigerfrau sowie als Ehegattin, Mutter,
   Gro?mutter und Urgro?mutter viel Sonnenschein ausstrahlen. Es war
   Bruder Edmund Krebs verg?nnt fast 70 Jahre seine Gattin an seiner
   Seite zu haben. Im Kreis der Gemeinde hier in Toronto feierten die
   Geschwister noch ihr 60-j?hriges Hochzeitsjubil?um. Solange ihre
   Eltern noch lebten, reisten sie gemeinsam etwa zehnmal nach
   Deutschland zu Besuch. Da Schwester Krebs eine Liebhaberin von
   Blumen war, zierte eine Blumenpracht ihren Garten und ihr Haus.
   Innen versch?nerte ihre feine Handarbeit W?nde und Tische. Im Alter
   machte sich immer mehr ein Herzleiden bei Schwester Krebs bemerkbar,
   das ihr zu Zeiten viel Schmerzen bereitete. Sie konnte in der letzen
   Zeit die Gottesdienste nicht mehr regelm??ig besuchen, was ja immer
   ihre Freude war. Dieses Leiden verursachte Herzanf?lle, wodurch sie
   sichtbar schw?cher wurde, bis der Herr sie davon erl?ste. Im
   Krankenhaus vor ihrem Abscheiden hat Bruder Krebs seiner Gattin noch
   den Abschnitt von der erl?sten Schar vor dem Throne Gottes aus
   Offenbarung 7 gelesen. Bald darauf nahm der Herr sein Kind im
   Beisein ihres Ehegatten und ihrer vier T?chter zu sich in die obere
   Heimat. Schwester Krebs hinterl?sst ihren tief betr?bten Gatten,
   Edmund Krebs; vier T?chter: Edith Both mit Ehemann Albert Both;
   Gerda Weidner mit Ehemann Willi Weidner; Irmgard Wegner mit Ehemann
   Reinhard Wegner und Anita Krebs mit Ehemann Eric Carstens. Ferner
   hinterl?sst sie zehn Enkelkinder und l9 Urenkel sowie sechs
   leibliche Geschwister: Herta Kreuzmann, Deutschland; Lina Bauer,
   Toronto; Ilse Reim, Deutschland; Norbert Henkelmann, USA; Martha
   L?wen, USA und Helga Wolske, USA. Auch viele Verwandte, Freunde und
   Geschwister, die sie kennenlernen durfte, sowie die Geschwister der
   Gemeinde zu Toronto trauern um das Abscheiden der lieben Schwester.
   Doch als Kinder Gottes haben wir den Trost eines Wiedersehens beim
   Herrn.
   R. Roesler"

Zelanka war ein Nachbarort von Amelin und da es keine Kirche hatte, 
vermutlich nach Amelin zust?ndig. In Amelin gab es ?brigens auch den 
Namen HENKELMANN!
Sicher werden Sie von den genannten Familienangeh?rigen mehr ?ber die 
Verschleppung nach R?bensdorf im Kreis Orenburg erfahren k?nnen.

   Helga WOLSKE
   4730 E Britain Ave
   Benton Harbor, MI 49022-8705
   (269) 944-1545
   Household: Michael J. WOLSKE

   Norbert HENKELMANN
   Saint Joseph, MI (80 Jahre, kein Eintrag im Telefonbuch)


W?nsche ein sch?nes Wochenende,
G?nther

 

      




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From jfrauchert at shaw.ca  Sun Mar  8 14:50:28 2009
From: jfrauchert at shaw.ca (John Rauchert)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:50:28 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 70,
	Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1236538803.16974.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID: <7au4gf$26bmn3@pd4mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca>

I believe the full Jan Textor site address is:

http://textor.dk/przedecz/html/przedecz.htm


John F Rauchert
Calgary Alberta Canada

-----Original Message-----


Message: 1
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 13:49:29 +0100
From: "Manfred Sommerfeld" <Manfred.Sommerfeld at t-online.de>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 70,
	Issue 9
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID: <454E8156DBCD4831AB9325D0542A8E78 at ManfredviPC>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

Hello,

you can take a look at the webpage of Jan Textor, where you can find a lot
of Lieske and Riske from the Chodecz area -  http://textor.dk/przedecz/html/
- 

 Manfred Sommerfeld





From mag_ton at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  9 12:58:24 2009
From: mag_ton at yahoo.com (mag_ton)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:58:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lubian / Lieske
Message-ID: <224558.31888.qm@web36307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I was just reading through Lubian Catholic records and even though , the pages are very water-stained ( Is it near a river ?) and there are gaps , I think saw that name LIESKE . In Polish / Latin writing in 1790's , would LIESKE be written as LIESKOW ?? Also saw DOMKOW ( would that be DOMKE ?) and other possible German Lutheran names? . It clearly stated who the Lutherans were in these records .



      

From dr.stewner at t-online.de  Mon Mar  9 14:08:51 2009
From: dr.stewner at t-online.de (Dr. Frank Stewner)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:08:51 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Homepage Jan Textor
Message-ID: <8CF5FC4809DF428EAE0BB3BAE127ED3B@Acer>

Jan Textor has more than the persons and that you will see when you use that link:

http://textor.dk/homepage/

Frank Stewner

From worth_a at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  9 14:48:11 2009
From: worth_a at yahoo.com (Worth Anderson)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:48:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lubian / Lieske
Message-ID: <257497.14917.qm@web110401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Lieskow and Domkow are the genitive forms of Lieske and Domke.  One can think of this as being like saying "of the Lieske family" or "of the Domke family."  In records written in Polish, one often sees the genitive used in records to give a woman's maiden name.  For example, "Maryanna z Lieskow Domke" would mean Maryanna's maiden name is Lieske, and she is married to a man named Domke.

In older Polish (and some Latin) records, one also sees surnames with -owa or -owna added (i.e., Lieskowa or Lieskowna).  The -owa ending indicates a married woman.  The -owna ending indicates an unmarried woman.

While -owa and -owna seem to have been the most common endings signalling these meanings, they weren't the only ones.  There is a good chart of these on page 150 of Malgorzata Nowaczyk, "Poszukiwanie Przodkow: Genealogia Dla Kazdego," (Warsaw: Panstwowy Instystut Wydaniczy, 2005) ISBN 83-06-02950-X.

--- On Mon, 3/9/09, mag_ton <mag_ton at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: mag_ton <mag_ton at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lubian / Lieske
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 3:58 PM
> I was just reading through Lubian
> Catholic records and even though , the pages are very
> water-stained ( Is it near a river ?) and there are gaps , I
> think saw that name LIESKE . In Polish / Latin writing in
> 1790's , would LIESKE be written as LIESKOW ?? Also saw
> DOMKOW ( would that be DOMKE ?) and other possible German
> Lutheran names? . It clearly stated who the Lutherans were
> in these records .
> 
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
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From mschmie at prodigy.net  Mon Mar  9 16:52:49 2009
From: mschmie at prodigy.net (MSchmied)
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:52:49 +0000
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Nevna, and Volenskigobarna, Russia
Message-ID: <030920092352.2165.49B5ABD00009C8FA0000087522216128369B0A02D29709070B019D9FBF0A0703080C9C03@att.net>

I received the e-mail I have copied below.  Can anyone help?


I was told that:
 
Volenskigobarna, Russia is probably Wolhynski Gubernia - Volhynia Province (i.e. Volyn Gubernia),
 
and that 
 
Nevna, Russia was probably Nevir, Niw, or Niwa
 
Do you have any idea on where to find records from these locations?
*The surnames I am looking for are Ott and Beckman.

I don't have any other info as this is for someone I met through a local Germans from Russia group. 

Thank you!,
Margaret Schmieding
SW Michigan



From neumann.birgitte at skynet.be  Tue Mar 10 21:18:10 2009
From: neumann.birgitte at skynet.be (Brigitte Neumann)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:18:10 -0800
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lubian / Lieske - Nowy Dwor, Neumann
In-Reply-To: <257497.14917.qm@web110401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <NDEBJMFCIAGLPCOABAJAKEOMCAAA.neumann.birgitte@skynet.be>

Thank you for this explaning. I am just reading in the churchbooks from Nowe
Dwor and I found per exampel "Anny z Pletzow". I thought, that she came from
a village named Pletzow, which I could not find. Now it is clear, that it is
Anny Pletz.

By the way, I found a lot of Neumann in this churchbooks (ev.) If someone is
interested, pleas let me know.

Brigitte

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org]Im Auftrag von
Worth Anderson
Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 13:48
An: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Betreff: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lubian / Lieske



Lieskow and Domkow are the genitive forms of Lieske and Domke.  One can
think of this as being like saying "of the Lieske family" or "of the Domke
family."  In records written in Polish, one often sees the genitive used in
records to give a woman's maiden name.  For example, "Maryanna z Lieskow
Domke" would mean Maryanna's maiden name is Lieske, and she is married to a
man named Domke.

In older Polish (and some Latin) records, one also sees surnames with -owa
or -owna added (i.e., Lieskowa or Lieskowna).  The -owa ending indicates a
married woman.  The -owna ending indicates an unmarried woman.

While -owa and -owna seem to have been the most common endings signalling
these meanings, they weren't the only ones.  There is a good chart of these
on page 150 of Malgorzata Nowaczyk, "Poszukiwanie Przodkow: Genealogia Dla
Kazdego," (Warsaw: Panstwowy Instystut Wydaniczy, 2005) ISBN 83-06-02950-X.

--- On Mon, 3/9/09, mag_ton <mag_ton at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: mag_ton <mag_ton at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lubian / Lieske
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 3:58 PM
> I was just reading through Lubian
> Catholic records and even though , the pages are very
> water-stained ( Is it near a river ?) and there are gaps , I
> think saw that name LIESKE . In Polish / Latin writing in
> 1790's , would LIESKE be written as LIESKOW ?? Also saw
> DOMKOW ( would that be DOMKE ?) and other possible German
> Lutheran names? . It clearly stated who the Lutherans were
> in these records .
>
>
>
> ? ? ?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
>





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From GHBoehm at ish.de  Wed Mar 11 00:51:18 2009
From: GHBoehm at ish.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=FCnther_B=F6hm?=)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:51:18 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lubian / Lieske - Nowy Dwor, Neumann
In-Reply-To: <NDEBJMFCIAGLPCOABAJAKEOMCAAA.neumann.birgitte@skynet.be>
References: <NDEBJMFCIAGLPCOABAJAKEOMCAAA.neumann.birgitte@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <49B76D76.8030402@ish.de>

Brigitte Neumann schrieb:
> Thank you for this explaning. I am just reading in the churchbooks from Nowe
> Dwor and I found per exampel "Anny z Pletzow". I thought, that she came from
> a village named Pletzow, which I could not find. Now it is clear, that it is
> Anny Pletz.
Hello Brigitte,
the given name Anny is also declined.
Anny (genitive) = of Anna, Anna's.

G?nther


From robinquilter at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 12:46:12 2009
From: robinquilter at gmail.com (Robin Grube)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:46:12 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lubian/Leske
Message-ID: <d61d61810903111246g23ca6534tf458edbe28ed830d@mail.gmail.com>

Along with Brigette, I thank Worth Anderson for explaining the Polish
grammar found in some records. For those of us who are new,  this helps a
lot.
Robin Haak Grube (researching HAAK, HERRMANN,JUST)


From worth_a at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 11 13:34:51 2009
From: worth_a at yahoo.com (Worth Anderson)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:34:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Exhibitions in Plock on Olendry/Vistula
	Germans and on Mennonites
Message-ID: <89071.64471.qm@web110411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


The Mazovia Museum in Plock's Ethnographic branch, located in an a former granary next to the Plock State Archives, has two interesting exhibitions at the moment.

The smaller (but more directly relevant to this group) is entitled "Olender Settlement in Mazovia," and is about villages along the Vistula River like Sady, Nowy Troszyn, Zakrzewo, etc.  It has some nice illustrations of the ingenious methods our ancestors used to make flood-prone land cultivable and the lasting traces they left on the landscape.

The larger is entitled "Mennonites in Zulawy."  It will interest those of us who also descend from the Mennonites who lived in Wymysle and Deutsch Kazun, and is also relevant because the Mennonites pioneered the "Olender" type of village organization that is the distinguishing characteristic of an "Olender" village, whether inhabited by Germans (as the vast majority were), Dutch, Frisians, Poles or others).  The exhibition is accompanied by a nicely illustrated book with 14 essays, each of which is given a brief summary in English.  ISBN 978-83-88669-13-2.

Here's the really good news: nice clear photos of both exhibitions are available on the main Museum's website, at: http://www.muzeumplock.art.pl/index.php?s=Mennonici.  If you blow up the Olender exhibition's placard for "Potomkowie Olenderow" (descendants of the Olenders), you will see the familiar names Neitsch and Cilke (alias Zuehlke, Zielke, Cylke, etc.)

Worth





      


From worth_a at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 11 13:56:44 2009
From: worth_a at yahoo.com (Worth Anderson)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:56:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lubian/Leske
Message-ID: <878970.82739.qm@web110407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Glad it was helpful.  One books that I've found really useful in trying to decipher Polish language birt, marriage and death records is: Judith R. Frazin, ed., "A Translation Guide to 19th-Century Polish-Language Civil-Registration Documents (Birth, Marriage and Death Records)" 2nd. ed. (Jewish Genealogical Society of Illinois, 1989), FHL Call No. EUROPE 943.8 V27f 1989.  It does a great job of explaining the meaning of different parts of the records in different periods.

Worth

--- On Wed, 3/11/09, Robin Grube <robinquilter at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Robin Grube <robinquilter at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lubian/Leske
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 3:46 PM
> Along with Brigette, I thank Worth
> Anderson for explaining the Polish
> grammar found in some records. For those of us who are
> new,? this helps a
> lot.
> Robin Haak Grube (researching HAAK, HERRMANN,JUST)
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From mag_ton at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 11 16:24:31 2009
From: mag_ton at yahoo.com (mag_ton)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:24:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Kepa Dobrzyn
Message-ID: <946731.34372.qm@web36302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Was there a Kepa Dobrzyn in the 1840's? that's just not on the map anymore . I assume this was one of those islands near Dobryzyn on the river . 



      

From prussialives at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 11 18:02:11 2009
From: prussialives at yahoo.com (Chris Menke)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:02:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Surname: MENKE (Manke) from Volhynia
Message-ID: <840765.88853.qm@web55407.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Hello All!
?
I have not posted here in a long time. Greetings to all! I have not forgotten you or the mission....just so busy!
?
If anyone has any information on the family of Gustav Menke, Christoph Menke (married to Emilie Brandt) or Johann Manke (same family, spelled both ways), from the Alexandria / Tutschin / Rowno area of Volhynia - I would appreciate it. 
?
I have a lot of information from the time they arrived in Winnipeg, and then Neche, North Dakota, but looking for more from when they were in Russia (Ukraine). 
?
Chris Menke
?
?


      

From roseingram at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 11 19:29:50 2009
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:29:50 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Surname: MENKE (Manke) from Volhynia
References: <840765.88853.qm@web55407.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005501c9a2ba$6b9f7980$6601a8c0@duocore>

Chris,

Do you have approximate birth dates for these people.  When did they arrive in Canada?

Rose Ingram
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Chris Menke 
  To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:02 PM
  Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Surname: MENKE (Manke) from Volhynia


  Hello All!

  I have not posted here in a long time. Greetings to all! I have not forgotten you or the mission....just so busy!

  If anyone has any information on the family of Gustav Menke, Christoph Menke (married to Emilie Brandt) or Johann Manke (same family, spelled both ways), from the Alexandria / Tutschin / Rowno area of Volhynia - I would appreciate it. 

  I have a lot of information from the time they arrived in Winnipeg, and then Neche, North Dakota, but looking for more from when they were in Russia (Ukraine). 

  Chris Menke




        

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From textor_jan at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 12 08:13:28 2009
From: textor_jan at hotmail.com (Jan Textor)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:13:28 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Kepa Dobrzyn
In-Reply-To: <946731.34372.qm@web36302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <946731.34372.qm@web36302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY107-W24D3ABD4206A1CF5F0D199F59F0@phx.gbl>









There was a Kepa Dobrzynska, situated between Kepa Bachorzewska and Kepa Glowinska, as shown on this section of a map from 1839:
http://textor.dk/maps/Dobrzyn.jpg

I have not been able to find these islets on a contemporary map, although they still seemed to exist in the late 1930's, as shown here:
http://textor.dk/maps/Dobrzyn2.jpg

Hope this helps,
Jan Textor

----------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:24:31 -0700
> From: mag_ton at yahoo.com
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Kepa Dobrzyn
>
> Was there a Kepa Dobrzyn in the 1840's  that's just not on the map anymore . I assume this was one of those islands near Dobryzyn on the river .
>





From seipert at gmail.com  Thu Mar 12 09:32:52 2009
From: seipert at gmail.com (Sue Eipert)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:32:52 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Kepa Dobrzyn
In-Reply-To: <BAY107-W24D3ABD4206A1CF5F0D199F59F0@phx.gbl>
References: <946731.34372.qm@web36302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BAY107-W24D3ABD4206A1CF5F0D199F59F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <49B93934.1080205@gmail.com>

My great grandfather, Samuel Radtke, and his siblings were born on Kepa 
Glowinska. Samuel's father, Michael, and his siblings were also born on 
Kepa Glowinska

Did you have ancestors living on Kepa Dobrzynska? What were there names?

Sue Radtke Eipert
seipert2 at gmail.com


Jan Textor wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> There was a Kepa Dobrzynska, situated between Kepa Bachorzewska and Kepa Glowinska, as shown on this section of a map from 1839:
> http://textor.dk/maps/Dobrzyn.jpg
> 
> I have not been able to find these islets on a contemporary map, although they still seemed to exist in the late 1930's, as shown here:
> http://textor.dk/maps/Dobrzyn2.jpg
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Jan Textor
> 
> ----------------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:24:31 -0700
>> From: mag_ton at yahoo.com
>> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Kepa Dobrzyn
>>
>> Was there a Kepa Dobrzyn in the 1840's  that's just not on the map anymore . I assume this was one of those islands near Dobryzyn on the river .
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From prussialives at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 12 10:42:59 2009
From: prussialives at yahoo.com (Chris Menke)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:42:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Surname: MENKE (Manke) from Volhynia
Message-ID: <313639.47419.qm@web55408.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Gustav Menke - B. 1884 Alexandria, Volhynia. Came to Neche, ND via Winnipeg 1900. 
Maria Menke - B. 1885 Mariendorf, Volhynia - according to family she stayed there, never immigrated. 
Johann Manke - B. 1879 Mariendorf, Volhynia - He also did not immigrate to ND that we know of. 
?
Gustav is my great-grandfather....
?
The above are all children of:
Christoph Menke - B. ~ 1831 in ? 
Emilie Brandt - B. ~ 1854 in ? (both immigrated to Neche, ND in 1908 and 1910. Ship records show Christoph came with Natalie Menke. They came from Libau to Winnipeg to Neche. Emilie came with 2 youngest boys Adam and Friedrich via Ellis Island). 
?
Other relatives in Alexandria / Mariendorf vicinity - I think cousins:
?
Mathilde Manke - B. 1871 in Mariendorf
Rudolph Manke - B. 1873 in Mariendorf
?
These 2 were children of:
?
Gottfried Manke B. ? in ?
Christine Renz B. ? in ?
?
Other relatives in Alexandria / Mariendorf vicinity - I think cousins:
?
Auguste Bertha Manke - B. 1879 in Heimthal
Hulda Manke - B. 1885 in Alexandria
?
These 2 were children of:
?
Gottfried Manke - B. ? in ?
Mathilde Bleich - B. in ?
?
?


?
Researching Menke /?Manke, Brandt
Volhynia
?
Researching Schappert (Schuppert), Kullmann, WeissGalicia

--- On Wed, 3/11/09, Rose Ingram <roseingram at shaw.ca> wrote:


From: Rose Ingram <roseingram at shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Surname: MENKE (Manke) from Volhynia
To: "Chris Menke" <prussialives at yahoo.com>, ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 9:29 PM





Chris,
?
Do you have approximate birth dates for these people.? When did they arrive in Canada?

Rose Ingram

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Chris Menke 
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:02 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Surname: MENKE (Manke) from Volhynia

Hello All!

I have not posted here in a long time. Greetings to all! I have not forgotten you or the mission....just so busy!

If anyone has any information on the family of Gustav Menke, Christoph Menke (married to Emilie Brandt) or Johann Manke (same family, spelled both ways), from the Alexandria / Tutschin / Rowno area of Volhynia - I would appreciate it. 

I have a lot of information from the time they arrived in Winnipeg, and then Neche, North Dakota, but looking for more from when they were in Russia (Ukraine). 

Chris Menke




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From prussialives at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 12 10:47:16 2009
From: prussialives at yahoo.com (Chris Menke)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:47:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Does LDS have a Volhynia database?
Message-ID: <540048.95455.qm@web55403.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

I was wondering: in the LDS databases are there Volhynian and Russian-Poland sections?
?
Thanks,
Chris Menke


      

From prussialives at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 12 11:08:37 2009
From: prussialives at yahoo.com (Chris Menke)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:08:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Very interesting Links - Germans in Ukraine
Message-ID: <88073.57353.qm@web55402.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

I guess now that Ukraine is a more open society, it is OK to be German there, and there are organizations and Germans there acknowledging the German past and celebrating it. 
?
http://www.chmelenok.narod.ru/en/m_about/m_about.htm
?
http://www.wumag.kiev.ua/index2.php?param=pgs20061/68
?
Chris Menke


      

From worth_a at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 12 11:54:02 2009
From: worth_a at yahoo.com (Worth Anderson)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:54:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Does LDS have a Volhynia database?
Message-ID: <542590.620.qm@web110407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Not per se, but in their databases there are some Germans who lived in Poland, Ukraine and Russia.

www.familysearch.org has various collections, but I'm guessing you are referring to the International Genealogical Index (IGI), Ancestral File and Pedigree Resource File.

THe IGI is supposed to be -- like the name says -- an index; specifically, it is an index of persons for whom certain LDS rites have been performed.   Whether a person appears in the IGI depends on whether their name either appeared in records from which birth or marriage data was extracted, or was submitted for temple work by an individual.

The Ancestral File was supposed to be a large database of compiled genealogical research.  Unfortunately, it was plagued from the start by problems with poor research and (very) faulty merging of data from multiple submitters.  In 1996 it was decided these problems were intractable, and the Family History Library stopped accepting new submissions.  Whether someone appears in it depends on whether a researcher submitted research including that person before the Family History Library stopped accepting submissions.  The Ancestral File can be a goldmine, but information found there should be treated with caution, and confirmed with independent research.
 
The Pedigree Resource File replaced the Ancestral File.  Again, whether a given person appears in it depends on whether another researcher has sent in a GEDCOM file containing that person.

www.familysearch.org also contains a pilot record search program, where some digitized microfilm are available, including duplicates of Russian Lutheran Church books.

--- On Thu, 3/12/09, Chris Menke <prussialives at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Chris Menke <prussialives at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Does LDS have a Volhynia database?
> To: "Volhynia Listserver" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 1:47 PM
> I was wondering: in the LDS databases
> are there Volhynian and Russian-Poland sections?
> ?
> Thanks,
> Chris Menke
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
> 
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From mag_ton at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 12 14:28:10 2009
From: mag_ton at yahoo.com (mag_ton)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:28:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Kepa Dobrzynska
Message-ID: <827813.56595.qm@web36302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thank you , Jan . I wish I had asked earlier , like years ago (-:?? I have been staring at this particular record for years trying to decipher this village ( island ? town ? ) . It is Kepa Dobrzynska exactly in this 1843 marriage record between Florentina Dorata Ziemer , born in Kepa Dobrzynska ,?? marriage to Jan Steck , born in Hollendry Czerno? , a farmer in Piotrkowek . They were married in Plock Evangelical Church . I do have another question about another location , same time period? in this surrounding area ,? plus also in Plock district , the preist wrote the residential village for the bride as LESIN , LECIN , LECIME, LECIWE ??

So I am curious . Is the island Kepa Dobrzynska submerged under water or has a new name ??

What could they farmed on these islands or did they do fish agriculture ?

Thanks for all your help everyone . Rose too ! Danke , Magda 


There was a Kepa Dobrzynska, situated between Kepa Bachorzewska and Kepa Glowinska, as shown on this section of a map from 1839:
http://textor.dk/maps/Dobrzyn.jpg

I
have not been able to find these islets on a contemporary map, although
they still seemed to exist in the late 1930's, as shown here:
http://textor.dk/maps/Dobrzyn2.jpg

Hope this helps,
Jan Textor

----------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:24:31 -0700
> From: mag_ton at yahoo.com
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Kepa Dobrzyn
>
>
Was there a Kepa Dobrzyn in the 1840's? that's just not on the map
anymore . I assume this was one of those islands near Dobryzyn on the
river .
>


      

From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 12 18:35:49 2009
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:35:49 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Kepa Dobrzynska
In-Reply-To: <827813.56595.qm@web36302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <827813.56595.qm@web36302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49B9B875.6080308@shaw.ca>

A Kepa (pronounced Kempa) is the same as the old English word holm or 
hurst and means an islet or sandbar in a river, or a cluster of trees.  
While most commonly applied to an island, it is often used for 
settlements very close to the river bank as well. 

The Wisla River has undergone numerous flooding cycles with some of 
these islands disappearing over time, hence the disappearing of the 
settlement.  I cannot back this up but it seems I have read that some of 
these settlements were often summer time residences.  The islands 
provided good pasture land so a herd of cows might be brought there for 
the summer to forage and families would live there to take care of them.

I cannot come up with a good match for Lesin or similar in this area.  
If you send me a scan of a document with the writing, I might be able to 
come up with a better interpretation of what is there.  Perhaps send a 
scan to Jan as well and between the two of us, you might get results. 


Jerry Frank
Calgary, AB



mag_ton wrote:
> Thank you , Jan . I wish I had asked earlier , like years ago (-:   I have been staring at this particular record for years trying to decipher this village ( island ? town ? ) . It is Kepa Dobrzynska exactly in this 1843 marriage record between Florentina Dorata Ziemer , born in Kepa Dobrzynska ,   marriage to Jan Steck , born in Hollendry Czerno  , a farmer in Piotrkowek . They were married in Plock Evangelical Church . I do have another question about another location , same time period  in this surrounding area ,  plus also in Plock district , the preist wrote the residential village for the bride as LESIN , LECIN , LECIME, LECIWE ??
>
> So I am curious . Is the island Kepa Dobrzynska submerged under water or has a new name ??
>
> What could they farmed on these islands or did they do fish agriculture ?
>
> Thanks for all your help everyone . Rose too ! Danke , Magda 
>
>
> There was a Kepa Dobrzynska, situated between Kepa Bachorzewska and Kepa Glowinska, as shown on this section of a map from 1839:
> http://textor.dk/maps/Dobrzyn.jpg
>
> I
> have not been able to find these islets on a contemporary map, although
> they still seemed to exist in the late 1930's, as shown here:
> http://textor.dk/maps/Dobrzyn2.jpg
>
> Hope this helps,
> Jan Textor
>
> ----------------------------------------
>   
>> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:24:31 -0700
>> From: mag_ton at yahoo.com
>> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Kepa Dobrzyn
>>
>>
>>     
> Was there a Kepa Dobrzyn in the 1840's  that's just not on the map
> anymore . I assume this was one of those islands near Dobryzyn on the
> river .
>   
>
>
>       
>
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From lmpauling at utech.net  Thu Mar 12 21:11:32 2009
From: lmpauling at utech.net (Linda Marks Pauling)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:11:32 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Kepa Dobrzynska
References: <827813.56595.qm@web36302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<49B9B875.6080308@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <057601c9a391$cc22ade0$65d03542@LINDASTOY>

I interviewed a woman from Dembe Wielki/Gross Dembe in 1988. You may be 
interested in her description of an island in the Vistula:

"A cousin of mine went back. He lived in the Vistula, directly in the 
Vistula. There was a big island, and he was the owner of that island. 
Sometimes when the ice came in the spring it was dangerous, but they have a 
lot of land. And of course those willows grow from which you make baskets. 
That was the whole income.
So anyway he went 5 years ago... And they went to see the old country.... 
And it is all flooded where I grew up. There is not one building left. They 
built a big dam toward Wloclawek, and so in Dembe the houses were all broken 
away, all flooded, the south side."

I do not know anything about Kepa Dobrzynska, but this is a picture of the 
island.
Linda Pauling


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Frank" <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
To: "mag_ton" <mag_ton at yahoo.com>
Cc: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Kepa Dobrzynska


>A Kepa (pronounced Kempa) is the same as the old English word holm or
> hurst and means an islet or sandbar in a river, or a cluster of trees.
> While most commonly applied to an island, it is often used for
> settlements very close to the river bank as well.




From textor_jan at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 13 02:40:29 2009
From: textor_jan at hotmail.com (Jan Textor)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:40:29 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Kepa Dobrzynska
In-Reply-To: <827813.56595.qm@web36302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <827813.56595.qm@web36302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY107-W2658007ABBBF7EDA7EB157F59C0@phx.gbl>














Magda,
As Linda Pauling wrote, a dam was built across the Vistula River by Wloclawek.  The dam was finished in 1970, and the resulting reservoir is called Jezioro Wloclawskie (Wloclawek Lake).  The length of this lake or reservoir is 58 km and the width is 1.2 km on average.  Obviously, this must be the reason why the Kepa Dobrzynska and the other islets in this area have disappeared.  They have been flooded.

You asked about LESIN , LECIN , LECIME, LECIWE.  The only location in this area that comes reasonably close is LISZYNO.  On Oskar Kossmeyer's map "Evangelische Kirchen und Schulen in Kongre?polen 1865" it is called LISYN.  Perhaps this is the location you are looking for.  You can find Liszyno on this map: http://textor.dk/maps/Liszyno.jpg

Hope this helps,
Jan Textor

> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:28:10 -0700
> From: mag_ton at yahoo.com
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Kepa Dobrzynska
> 
> Thank you , Jan . I wish I had asked earlier , like years ago (-:   I have been staring at this particular record for years trying to decipher this village ( island ? town ? ) . It is Kepa Dobrzynska exactly in this 1843 marriage record between Florentina Dorata Ziemer , born in Kepa Dobrzynska ,   marriage to Jan Steck , born in Hollendry Czerno  , a farmer in Piotrkowek . They were married in Plock Evangelical Church . I do have another question about another location , same time period  in this surrounding area ,  plus also in Plock district , the preist wrote the residential village for the bride as LESIN , LECIN , LECIME, LECIWE ??
> 
> So I am curious . Is the island Kepa Dobrzynska submerged under water or has a new name ??
> 
> What could they farmed on these islands or did they do fish agriculture ?
> 
> Thanks for all your help everyone . Rose too ! Danke , Magda 
> 
> 
> There was a Kepa Dobrzynska, situated between Kepa Bachorzewska and Kepa Glowinska, as shown on this section of a map from 1839:
> http://textor.dk/maps/Dobrzyn.jpg
> 
> I
> have not been able to find these islets on a contemporary map, although
> they still seemed to exist in the late 1930's, as shown here:
> http://textor.dk/maps/Dobrzyn2.jpg
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Jan Textor
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> > Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:24:31 -0700
> > From: mag_ton at yahoo.com
> > To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> > Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Kepa Dobrzyn
> >
> >
> Was there a Kepa Dobrzyn in the 1840's  that's just not on the map
> anymore . I assume this was one of those islands near Dobryzyn on the
> river .
> >



From textor_jan at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 13 02:43:48 2009
From: textor_jan at hotmail.com (Jan Textor)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:43:48 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Kepa Dobrzynska
In-Reply-To: <827813.56595.qm@web36302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <827813.56595.qm@web36302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY107-W439E466E722CDB1E4B9DB5F59C0@phx.gbl>


I wrote: "Oskar Kossmeyer's map".  It should be Oskar Kossmann's map.  Sorry.
From: textor_jan at hotmail.com
To: mag_ton at yahoo.com; ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: RE: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Kepa Dobrzynska
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:40:29 +0100




















Magda,
As Linda Pauling wrote, a dam was built across the Vistula River by Wloclawek.  The dam was finished in 1970, and the resulting reservoir is called Jezioro Wloclawskie (Wloclawek Lake).  The length of this lake or reservoir is 58 km and the width is 1.2 km on average.  Obviously, this must be the reason why the Kepa Dobrzynska and the other islets in this area have disappeared.  They have been flooded.

You asked about LESIN , LECIN , LECIME, LECIWE.  The only location in this area that comes reasonably close is LISZYNO.  On Oskar Kossmeyer's map "Evangelische Kirchen und Schulen in Kongre?polen 1865" it is called LISYN.  Perhaps this is the location you are looking for.  You can find Liszyno on this map: http://textor.dk/maps/Liszyno.jpg

Hope this helps,
Jan Textor

> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:28:10 -0700
> From: mag_ton at yahoo.com
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Kepa Dobrzynska
> 
> Thank you , Jan . I wish I had asked earlier , like years ago (-:   I have been staring at this particular record for years trying to decipher this village ( island ? town ? ) . It is Kepa Dobrzynska exactly in this 1843 marriage record between Florentina Dorata Ziemer , born in Kepa Dobrzynska ,   marriage to Jan Steck , born in Hollendry Czerno  , a farmer in Piotrkowek . They were married in Plock Evangelical Church . I do have another question about another location , same time period  in this surrounding area ,  plus also in Plock district , the preist wrote the residential village for the bride as LESIN , LECIN , LECIME, LECIWE ??
> 
> So I am curious . Is the island Kepa Dobrzynska submerged under water or has a new name ??
> 
> What could they farmed on these islands or did they do fish agriculture ?
> 
> Thanks for all your help everyone . Rose too ! Danke , Magda 
> 
> 
> There was a Kepa Dobrzynska, situated between Kepa Bachorzewska and Kepa Glowinska, as shown on this section of a map from 1839:
> http://textor.dk/maps/Dobrzyn.jpg
> 
> I
> have not been able to find these islets on a contemporary map, although
> they still seemed to exist in the late 1930's, as shown here:
> http://textor.dk/maps/Dobrzyn2.jpg
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Jan Textor
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> > Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:24:31 -0700
> > From: mag_ton at yahoo.com
> > To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> > Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Kepa Dobrzyn
> >
> >
> Was there a Kepa Dobrzyn in the 1840's  that's just not on the map
> anymore . I assume this was one of those islands near Dobryzyn on the
> river .
> >



From wjmilner at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 13 08:12:36 2009
From: wjmilner at shaw.ca (Jack Milner)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:12:36 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Surname: MENKE (Manke) from Volhynia
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Hi Chris,

Did you find actual ship records of them sailing from Libau?  If so, I 
would be extremely interested.   My great grandfather and grandfather 
magically showed up in Liverpool, bound for western Canada in 1905 and 
1907 respectively. 

Yours truly.

Jack Milner
----------------

Chris Menke wrote:

>
>Christoph Menke - B. ~ 1831 in ? 
>Emilie Brandt - B. ~ 1854 in ? (both immigrated to Neche, ND in 1908 and 1910. Ship records show Christoph came with Natalie Menke. They came from Libau to Winnipeg to Neche. Emilie came with 2 youngest boys Adam and Friedrich via Ellis Island). 
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From worth_a at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 14 02:45:55 2009
From: worth_a at yahoo.com (Worth Anderson)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 02:45:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Reading aid for Polish language records
Message-ID: <101275.14636.qm@web110403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Further on deciphering Polish records, the Family History Library's Wiki for Poland has a terrific reading aid for civl registration records at:
https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Poland_Civil_Registration-_Vital_Records

--- On Wed, 3/11/09, Worth Anderson <worth_a at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Worth Anderson <worth_a at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lubian/Leske
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org, "Robin Grube" <robinquilter at gmail.com>
> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 4:56 PM
> Glad it was helpful.? One books
> that I've found really useful in trying to decipher Polish
> language birt, marriage and death records is: Judith R.
> Frazin, ed., "A Translation Guide to 19th-Century
> Polish-Language Civil-Registration Documents (Birth,
> Marriage and Death Records)" 2nd. ed. (Jewish Genealogical
> Society of Illinois, 1989), FHL Call No. EUROPE 943.8 V27f
> 1989.? It does a great job of explaining the meaning of
> different parts of the records in different periods.
> 
> Worth
> 
<snip>


      



From jjstange at gmail.com  Sat Mar 14 06:33:09 2009
From: jjstange at gmail.com (Jim Stange)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 09:33:09 -0400
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Looking for Lutheran Parish records circa 1795
Message-ID: <77f14bdd0903140633v255e305v6e76203b68234a01@mail.gmail.com>

I have a copy of the death record of my G-G-G-G Grandfather Pawel Stange.
It states he died, a resident of Krzywa Gora, on April 10, 1863 at the age
of 68.  It lists his parents names and the town of his birth as Tomaszewo.
I do not have the marriage record for Pawel but his eldest child was born
around 1823 according to this daughter's marriage record.  I do not have her
birth record.  I do have the birth records of other siblings born in Krzywa
Gora after 1838.  The family basically lived in the Krywa Gora/Wloclawek
area then until WWII.

I am trying to find the birth record for Pawel Stange from Tomaszewo born
around 1795.  Would anyone know what Lutheran parish this Tomaszewo may be
part of?  I know there are several Tomaszewo in Poland.  I believe there is
on near Wloclawek to the west and slightly south.  If no Lutheran parish
existed for this area at this time, could there be records kept in a local
Catholic parish?  If so, which one?

Your expertise is greatly appreciated!

Regards,
Jim Stange


From prussialives at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 14 10:19:18 2009
From: prussialives at yahoo.com (Chris Menke)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:19:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lodz Records
Message-ID: <248208.36353.qm@web55403.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know a good way to research Lodz area Lutheran records? 




      

From joepessarra at suddenlink.net  Sat Mar 14 11:07:19 2009
From: joepessarra at suddenlink.net (joepessarra)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:07:19 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lodz Records
In-Reply-To: <248208.36353.qm@web55403.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <248208.36353.qm@web55403.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c9a4cf$b76058a0$262109e0$@net>



-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Chris
Menke
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:19 PM
To: Volhynia Listserver
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lodz Records

Does anyone know a good way to research Lodz area Lutheran records? 

It appears that the Latter Day Saints Family History Center has quite a few
records in their Library for Lodz.
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp

Use the pull-down list on Library and click on Library Catalog.

On the next screen, click On Place Search.

On the next screen, input Lodz in Place block, and do a Search.

Click on the first highlighted topic.

You should get the list for church records.

Click on that, and you will get two listings for different time frames.

Click on one of them, and on the next screen, click on View Film Notes at
the top of the page.

On the next screen, you will get a list of the films you need to order at
the FHC.

Go to your nearest FHC and place an order.

The ones I picked were Catholic records, but there are Lutheran records as
well.  Just have to find the right ones to click on on the first screen.

Check this site also.

http://www.sggee.org/church_parishes/LutheransInRusPoland


Good luck.

Joe in Texas







      

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From gpvjem at sasktel.net  Sat Mar 14 11:27:44 2009
From: gpvjem at sasktel.net (gpvjem)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:27:44 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lodz Records
References: <248208.36353.qm@web55403.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D5682A5632AC4F43AFE0A29463615F87@Marsh>

    What would you like to know Chris?  I have worked on Lodz records some and may be able to help.

John Marsch

------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Chris Menke 
  To: Volhynia Listserver 
  Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 11:19 AM
  Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lodz Records


  Does anyone know a good way to research Lodz area Lutheran records? 




        

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From roseingram at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 14 12:08:39 2009
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:08:39 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lodz Records
References: <248208.36353.qm@web55403.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
	<D5682A5632AC4F43AFE0A29463615F87@Marsh>
Message-ID: <007101c9a4d8$48e10f10$6601a8c0@duocore>

Chris

Some Lodz records have been indexed and appear on the Parish Records Index database, and more data is coming.

Many marriage records from Lodz also appear in the Pedigree database

Rose Ingram
  From: gpvjem 


      What would you like to know Chris?  I have worked on Lodz records some and may be able to help.

  John Marsch
  ---------

    From: Chris Menke 
    
    Does anyone know a good way to research Lodz area Lutheran records? 




          

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From ceo at ametric.com  Sat Mar 14 12:53:19 2009
From: ceo at ametric.com (John L Bettger)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:53:19 -0400
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lodz Records
In-Reply-To: <007101c9a4d8$48e10f10$6601a8c0@duocore>
References: <248208.36353.qm@web55403.mail.re4.yahoo.com><D5682A5632AC4F43AFE0A29463615F87@Marsh>
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Rose

What is the web address of  "Parish Records" for Lodz?

Best Regards

John Leon Bettger
email address  ceo at ametric.com



Researching Waterloo South Russia (Stavky Ukraine)

Odessa (city) South Russia (Odessa Ukraine) at 6 Ekaterininskaya Square (at 
the top of Potemkin Steps)

Slowik (near Lodz) Koenigreich Poland/Prussia

Gruenstadt Bavaria (Worms Germany)

Neubrandenburg, Mecklenburg-Strelitz Prussia/Germany

NAMES: Bettger, Boettcher, Huhn, Schindler


Best Regards

John Leon Bettger
Engineer, MBA, Chairman
American Metric Corporation
52 Metric Road,   Laurens SC 29360 USA
email address  ceo at ametric.com
Web site  www.ametric.com
Fax Number [1] 864-876-9578

Phone Number [1] 864-876-2011



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rose Ingram" <roseingram at shaw.ca>
To: "GPV List" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lodz Records


Chris

Some Lodz records have been indexed and appear on the Parish Records Index 
database, and more data is coming.

Many marriage records from Lodz also appear in the Pedigree database

Rose Ingram
  From: gpvjem


      What would you like to know Chris?  I have worked on Lodz records some 
and may be able to help.

  John Marsch
  ---------

    From: Chris Menke

    Does anyone know a good way to research Lodz area Lutheran records?






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From ceo at ametric.com  Sat Mar 14 12:47:27 2009
From: ceo at ametric.com (John L Bettger)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:47:27 -0400
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lodz Records
In-Reply-To: <248208.36353.qm@web55403.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <248208.36353.qm@web55403.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FB51E4B5D4094F7B921140C9828FE780@pcPC>

Chris

I have found Lodz records of my family names, Bettger and Schildler through 
LDS. A distant cousin from the Beottcher line has his own website and 
discusses Lodz. See

http://www.armin-zimmermann.eu/Bessarabien/index_englisch.html

Best Regards

John Leon Bettger
email address  ceo at ametric.com



Researching Waterloo South Russia (Stavky Ukraine)

Odessa (city) South Russia (Odessa Ukraine) at 6 Ekaterininskaya Square (at 
the top of Potemkin Steps)

Slowik (near Lodz) Koenigreich Poland/Prussia

Gruenstadt Bavaria (Worms Germany)

Neubrandenburg, Mecklenburg-Strelitz Prussia/Germany

NAMES: Bettger, Boettcher, Huhn, Schindler


Best Regards

John Leon Bettger
Engineer, MBA, Chairman
American Metric Corporation
52 Metric Road,   Laurens SC 29360 USA
email address  ceo at ametric.com
Web site  www.ametric.com
Fax Number [1] 864-876-9578

Phone Number [1] 864-876-2011



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To: "Volhynia Listserver" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 1:19 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lodz Records


Does anyone know a good way to research Lodz area Lutheran records?






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From roseingram at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 14 13:14:05 2009
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:14:05 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lodz Records
References: <248208.36353.qm@web55403.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
	<D5682A5632AC4F43AFE0A29463615F87@Marsh>
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	<22B532DB57A44E1EA9DC8989590253BC@pcPC>
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John

You will find the Parish Records Index in the Member's area.

Rose
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John L Bettger 
  To: Rose Ingram ; GPV List 
  Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lodz Records


  Rose

  What is the web address of  "Parish Records" for Lodz?

  Best Regards

  John Leon Bettger
  email address  ceo at ametric.com



  Researching Waterloo South Russia (Stavky Ukraine)

  Odessa (city) South Russia (Odessa Ukraine) at 6 Ekaterininskaya Square (at 
  the top of Potemkin Steps)

  Slowik (near Lodz) Koenigreich Poland/Prussia

  Gruenstadt Bavaria (Worms Germany)

  Neubrandenburg, Mecklenburg-Strelitz Prussia/Germany

  NAMES: Bettger, Boettcher, Huhn, Schindler


  Best Regards

  John Leon Bettger
  Engineer, MBA, Chairman
  American Metric Corporation
  52 Metric Road,   Laurens SC 29360 USA
  email address  ceo at ametric.com
  Web site  www.ametric.com
  Fax Number [1] 864-876-9578

  Phone Number [1] 864-876-2011



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Rose Ingram" <roseingram at shaw.ca>
  To: "GPV List" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
  Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 3:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lodz Records


  Chris

  Some Lodz records have been indexed and appear on the Parish Records Index 
  database, and more data is coming.

  Many marriage records from Lodz also appear in the Pedigree database

  Rose Ingram
    From: gpvjem


        What would you like to know Chris?  I have worked on Lodz records some 
  and may be able to help.

    John Marsch
    ---------

      From: Chris Menke

      Does anyone know a good way to research Lodz area Lutheran records?






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From ejadam at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 14 13:35:30 2009
From: ejadam at yahoo.com (E. Adam)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:35:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Volhynia in Washington Post
Message-ID: <436872.2443.qm@web53511.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Hello all: An article in this weekend's Washington Post Magazine tells the story of a Jewish girl in Volhynia who adopted the identity of an ethnic German child and survived the war as a translator. The URL is: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/06/AR2009030601715.html

Edie Adam
Virginia, USA


      


From ceo at ametric.com  Sat Mar 14 16:01:38 2009
From: ceo at ametric.com (John L Bettger)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:01:38 -0400
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Volhynia in Washington Post
In-Reply-To: <436872.2443.qm@web53511.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <436872.2443.qm@web53511.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4EBB163F8C0C42E195EAF35F97399F32@pcPC>

Such stories are more common than realized. My wife's Jewish grandmother in 
Austria married my wife's grandfather, a Christian. She survived the war, 
with out anyone ever turning her in. My grandmother was also Jewish, married 
to a Christian, but lived in Odessa where there was a huge Jewish population 
(about 1/4 of the city). My grandparents came to America long before the 
soviet Jewish pograms.

Best Regards

John Leon Bettger
email address  ceo at ametric.com

Researching Waterloo South Russia (Stavky Ukraine)
Odessa (city) South Russia (Odessa Ukraine) at 6 Ekaterininskaya Square (at 
the top of Potemkin Steps)
Slowik (near Lodz) Koenigreich Poland/Prussia
Gruenstadt Bavaria (Worms Germany)
Neubrandenburg, Mecklenburg-Strelitz Prussia/Germany
NAMES: Bettger, Boettcher, Huhn, Schindler



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Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 4:35 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Volhynia in Washington Post



Hello all: An article in this weekend's Washington Post Magazine tells the 
story of a Jewish girl in Volhynia who adopted the identity of an ethnic 
German child and survived the war as a translator. The URL is: 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/06/AR2009030601715.html

Edie Adam
Virginia, USA




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From GARY.RUPPERT at comcast.net  Sat Mar 14 17:10:54 2009
From: GARY.RUPPERT at comcast.net (GARY.RUPPERT@comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:10:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lubraniec, Wloclawek District,
	Warszawa Province
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What parish/parishes include the town of Lubraniec in the Wloclawek District in the Warszawa Province? Is this parish part of the Lutheran Records in Russian Poland that is being indexed by the SGGEE? If so, who is working on this parish and if not are there microfilmed records available through the FHC/FHL system? 



THANKs 



Gary 

14 March 2009 

Baltimore 

From roseingram at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 14 18:26:23 2009
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:26:23 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lubraniec, Wloclawek District,
	Warszawa Province
References: <2087916278.1115441237075854795.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00a201c9a50d$0d6c9eb0$6601a8c0@duocore>

Gary,

I believe the Lubraniec you may be referring to used to be in Bydgoszcz province, not Warszawa Province.

Wladyslawow (Wladyslawow Parish, Turek, Poznan, Poland)  records from about 1775 to about 1825 have been extracted and are included in the SGGEE Member's Pedigree database.  Most of the records collected by the Wladyslawow church or the wandering Pastor cover the area from Lubraniec in the north to Turek area in the south,, and written in German script (similar to earthworm font...) 
Many names shown born in Lubraniec in early 1800's end up marrying in Sompolno, Chodecz or Babiak Lutheran churches.  

If you are researching in the early 1800's you could look at the Lubraniec Catholic records which filmed records you will need to order through your local Family History Center.  Nothing has been indexed from Lubraniec Catholic records.  German names from Chodecz Catholic have been extracted and are included in the SGGEE Pedigree database.  

Rose Ingram
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: GARY.RUPPERT at comcast.net 
  To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
  Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 5:10 PM
  Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lubraniec, Wloclawek District, Warszawa Province




  What parish/parishes include the town of Lubraniec in the Wloclawek District in the Warszawa Province? Is this parish part of the Lutheran Records in Russian Poland that is being indexed by the SGGEE? If so, who is working on this parish and if not are there microfilmed records available through the FHC/FHL system? 



  THANKs 



  Gary 

  14 March 2009 

  Baltimore 

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From gary at warnerengineering.com  Sat Mar 14 19:19:08 2009
From: gary at warnerengineering.com (Gary Warner)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:19:08 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lubraniec, Wloclawek District,
 Warszawa Province
In-Reply-To: <00a201c9a50d$0d6c9eb0$6601a8c0@duocore>
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To all,

One thing that all of you who are looking for certain records need to 
remember is that none of the parish boundaries Lutheran or Catholic) 
were static.   As each parish grew, it split into two or more parishes 
numerous times.   So when you seek a certain parish, you need to know 
what time frame you seek.  

For instance, my great-grandmother was born in 1845 in a village in the 
north part of Nowy Dwor parish.   When she married in 1861, she was 
still living in the same village, but she was then in the Nasielsk parish.

I am not sure that there are accurate maps that exist which show the 
parish boundaries for every year, so it is a bit of a task to discover 
what the correct parish is for your ancestor without first understanding 
what the parish was in a given area during the time frame you seek a 
relative.    Also consider that sometimes even if a person lived in a 
Lutheran parish, it may have been much closer to register the birth or 
death in a local Catholic parish.   And then there are those who 
registered a birth or a death in both the Lutheran and the Catholic parish.

You can get an idea of which parish was in which area by looking at the 
following links

http://www.sggee.org/parish_histories/ParishFormationHistory.html
http://www.sggee.org/church_parishes/LutheransInRusPoland

and for some maps which show more graphically the parishes

http://www.sggee.org/SGGEEMaps.html

This last link will require the installation of the free DjVu plugin for 
your browser.   Once it is installed and the map is open, then 
right-click on the map to zoom in.

Gary Warner

Rose Ingram wrote:
> Gary,
>
> I believe the Lubraniec you may be referring to used to be in Bydgoszcz province, not Warszawa Province.
>
> Wladyslawow (Wladyslawow Parish, Turek, Poznan, Poland)  records from about 1775 to about 1825 have been extracted and are included in the SGGEE Member's Pedigree database.  Most of the records collected by the Wladyslawow church or the wandering Pastor cover the area from Lubraniec in the north to Turek area in the south,, and written in German script (similar to earthworm font...) 
> Many names shown born in Lubraniec in early 1800's end up marrying in Sompolno, Chodecz or Babiak Lutheran churches.  
>
> If you are researching in the early 1800's you could look at the Lubraniec Catholic records which filmed records you will need to order through your local Family History Center.  Nothing has been indexed from Lubraniec Catholic records.  German names from Chodecz Catholic have been extracted and are included in the SGGEE Pedigree database.  
>
> Rose Ingram
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: GARY.RUPPERT at comcast.net 
>   To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
>   Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 5:10 PM
>   Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lubraniec, Wloclawek District, Warszawa Province
>
>
>
>
>   What parish/parishes include the town of Lubraniec in the Wloclawek District in the Warszawa Province? Is this parish part of the Lutheran Records in Russian Poland that is being indexed by the SGGEE? If so, who is working on this parish and if not are there microfilmed records available through the FHC/FHL system? 
>
>
>
>   THANKs 
>
>
>
>   Gary 
>
>   14 March 2009 
>
>   Baltimore 
>
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From GARY.RUPPERT at comcast.net  Sat Mar 14 21:00:54 2009
From: GARY.RUPPERT at comcast.net (GARY.RUPPERT@comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:00:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lubraniec, Wloclawek District,
	Warszawa Province
In-Reply-To: <1941305260.1158751237089467198.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1767993480.1158941237089654793.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>



Thanks to Rose, Albert and Gary W. for their responses. 



I don't have a specific document. My search has been long?and unsuccesful, but I thought I'd give it another try. 



I'm searching the surnames: SCHMIDT, WELDER (sometimes WALTER) and TESSMANN (sometimes TESCHMANN). 



August Schmidt arrived in the US from "Russpolen" about 1885 (born 1852). His wife (Caroline Pauline Walter/Welder)?and several children arrived in 1889. She was born in 1855.?In 1892 his widowed mother-in-law Amelia Welder (born 1833)?and two brothers-in-law (Adolph and Carl Welder, both born 1874)) arrived. In the 1910 census, Mathilda Tessman was living with the family in Baltimore, she is listed as "cousin." There are two passenger arrivals for a Mathilda Tessmann, one in 1907 and one in 1908. Both were from Lubraniec (although a "last residence" was Farbusch, Russia). 



These are the only hard clues that I have. Death, burial, church and all other American records (August Schmidt was never naturalized) that I have reviewed usually include only "Russpolen" as place of birth, nothing more specific. The family?attended Lutheran churches. 



If I could establish a specific parish in Poland, then I could begin an intense search and maybe have some success. Unfortunately, the combination of relatively common surnames and few geographic clues?has resulted in?little success. By the way, the district and province for Lubraniec were found on JewishGen ShtetlSeeker. 



THANKs for any help. 



Gary 
14 March 2009 
Baltimore 



From gary at warnerengineering.com  Sat Mar 14 21:19:46 2009
From: gary at warnerengineering.com (Gary Warner)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:19:46 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lubraniec, Wloclawek District,
 Warszawa Province
In-Reply-To: <1767993480.1158941237089654793.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1767993480.1158941237089654793.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <49BC81E2.1000505@warnerengineering.com>

Gary,

I am looking at your data in the SGGEE Master Pedigree database.   You 
are showing the oldest 3 Schmidt children not born in the USA.   Have 
you looked at their naturalization records to see where those documents 
indicate those children were born?

In the 1879 passenger list that you found for Caroline, where did it say 
she was coming from?

In the 1892 entry records that you found, where did it say that Amelia 
and Adolph and Carl came from?  

Do you have death records for any of the family members not born in the USA?

Have you tried looking at area histories for the area where August and 
Caroline settled in the USA?   There will sometimes be good accounts in 
such histories about where they came from.  

Have you tried looking at the Lutheran records in the USA where they 
settled?

Gary Warner


GARY.RUPPERT at comcast.net wrote:
> Thanks to Rose, Albert and Gary W. for their responses. 
>
>
>
> I don't have a specific document. My search has been long and unsuccesful, but I thought I'd give it another try. 
>
>
>
> I'm searching the surnames: SCHMIDT, WELDER (sometimes WALTER) and TESSMANN (sometimes TESCHMANN). 
>
>
>
> August Schmidt arrived in the US from "Russpolen" about 1885 (born 1852). His wife (Caroline Pauline Walter/Welder) and several children arrived in 1889. She was born in 1855. In 1892 his widowed mother-in-law Amelia Welder (born 1833) and two brothers-in-law (Adolph and Carl Welder, both born 1874)) arrived. In the 1910 census, Mathilda Tessman was living with the family in Baltimore, she is listed as "cousin." There are two passenger arrivals for a Mathilda Tessmann, one in 1907 and one in 1908. Both were from Lubraniec (although a "last residence" was Farbusch, Russia). 
>
>
>
> These are the only hard clues that I have. Death, burial, church and all other American records (August Schmidt was never naturalized) that I have reviewed usually include only "Russpolen" as place of birth, nothing more specific. The family attended Lutheran churches. 
>
>
>
> If I could establish a specific parish in Poland, then I could begin an intense search and maybe have some success. Unfortunately, the combination of relatively common surnames and few geographic clues has resulted in little success. By the way, the district and province for Lubraniec were found on JewishGen ShtetlSeeker. 
>
>
>
> THANKs for any help. 
>
>
>
> Gary 
> 14 March 2009 
> Baltimore 
>
>
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>   


From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 16 06:00:56 2009
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:00:56 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Hartwig / Lehmann in region of Luck
Message-ID: <49BE4D88.9060203@shaw.ca>

We received the following message from German.  Karoline is not a 
mailing list member so if you have relevant information, please respond 
directly to her at

*/karo_zwilling at web.de
/*
Rough translation:

I hope you can answer my German email.  I am looking for information 
about the district of Luck, Volhynia.  So far, I have not been able to 
find much information about it.

I know that my great grandparents were [recht wohlhabend??] and were 
eventually displaced.

The village is Wsiewolodowka and Wilhelm and Natalia (nee Hartwig) 
Lehmann were my great grandparents.  Perhaps someone on the list knows 
about this family, perhaps also living in another village in the Luck 
district.

Thank you for any help you can provide.

With friendly greetings,

Karoline Krause





--- On *Wed, 3/4/09, Karoline Krause /<karo_zwilling at web.de>/* wrote:

    From: Karoline Krause <karo_zwilling at web.de>
    Subject: Landenteignungslisten Kreis Luzk
    To: webmaster at sggee.org
    Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 2:48 PM

    Hallo!

    Ich hoffe sie k?nnen meine deutsche Email beantworten.

    Ich bin auf der Suche nach den Landenteignungslisten des Kreises
    Luzk, Wolhynien. Wie ich bereits erfahren habe, gibt es nur wenige
    Eintr?ge f?r diesen Kreis.

    Ich wei?, dass meine Urgro?eltern recht wohlhabend waren, es ist
    daher anzunehmen, dass sie evt. enteignet wurden?

    Der Ort ist Wsiewolodowka, Wilhelm und Natalia (geb. Hartwig)
    Lehmann sind meine Urgro?eltern.

    Vielleicht k?nnten sie mir mitteilen, ob sie in der Liste aufgef?hrt
    sind? M?glicherweise auch in einem anderen Ort des Kreises Luzk?

    Vielen Dank f?r Ihre Bem?hungen!

    Mit freundlichen Gr??en

    Karoline Krause




-- 
Jerry Frank
Calgary, AB




From Hannes.Werner at online.de  Mon Mar 16 09:18:16 2009
From: Hannes.Werner at online.de (Hannes Werner)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:18:16 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Hartwig / Lehmann in region of Luck
References: <49BE4D88.9060203@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <002d01c9a652$d2b75890$f800a8c0@end2000>

Hello Jerry,

I have contact with Karoline as she posted on Wolhynien.de.
Referring to her question on "Landenteignungslisten" I will attach a list of
residents of  Wsiewolodowka in 1939/40. The list contains names and at least
size of  owned land/number of buildings.

Hannes (Werner)
Germany

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Frank" <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:00 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Hartwig / Lehmann in region of Luck


We received the following message from German.  Karoline is not a
mailing list member so if you have relevant information, please respond
directly to her at

*/karo_zwilling at web.de
/*
Rough translation:

I hope you can answer my German email.  I am looking for information
about the district of Luck, Volhynia.  So far, I have not been able to
find much information about it.

I know that my great grandparents were [recht wohlhabend??] and were
eventually displaced.

The village is Wsiewolodowka and Wilhelm and Natalia (nee Hartwig)
Lehmann were my great grandparents.  Perhaps someone on the list knows
about this family, perhaps also living in another village in the Luck
district.

Thank you for any help you can provide.

With friendly greetings,

Karoline Krause





--- On *Wed, 3/4/09, Karoline Krause /<karo_zwilling at web.de>/* wrote:

    From: Karoline Krause <karo_zwilling at web.de>
    Subject: Landenteignungslisten Kreis Luzk
    To: webmaster at sggee.org
    Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 2:48 PM

    Hallo!

    Ich hoffe sie k?nnen meine deutsche Email beantworten.

    Ich bin auf der Suche nach den Landenteignungslisten des Kreises
    Luzk, Wolhynien. Wie ich bereits erfahren habe, gibt es nur wenige
    Eintr?ge f?r diesen Kreis.

    Ich wei?, dass meine Urgro?eltern recht wohlhabend waren, es ist
    daher anzunehmen, dass sie evt. enteignet wurden?

    Der Ort ist Wsiewolodowka, Wilhelm und Natalia (geb. Hartwig)
    Lehmann sind meine Urgro?eltern.

    Vielleicht k?nnten sie mir mitteilen, ob sie in der Liste aufgef?hrt
    sind? M?glicherweise auch in einem anderen Ort des Kreises Luzk?

    Vielen Dank f?r Ihre Bem?hungen!

    Mit freundlichen Gr??en

    Karoline Krause




--
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Calgary, AB



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From ifengler at web.de  Mon Mar 16 13:02:03 2009
From: ifengler at web.de (ifengler@web.de)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:02:03 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Brenno near Wschowa (Fraustadt)
Message-ID: <1551025880@web.de>

Hello!

Does anyone research in the region around Brenno, Lgin (Ilgen) and Wijewo (Weine) near Wschowa (Fraustadt) in Poland?
I am looking for the following names: Cieslik, Dekiert, Kaczmarek, Jon (John), Tyczweicz and Swedzik.

If any of these names appear amongst your ancestors, I would be very grateful for a reply.

Best wishes,
Ingo


____________________________________________________________________
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Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.produkte.web.de/messenger/?did=3123




From joepessarra at suddenlink.net  Mon Mar 16 13:50:19 2009
From: joepessarra at suddenlink.net (joepessarra)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:50:19 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Brenno near Wschowa (Fraustadt)
In-Reply-To: <1551025880@web.de>
References: <1551025880@web.de>
Message-ID: <000e01c9a678$d1469540$73d3bfc0$@net>



-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of
ifengler at web.de
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 3:02 PM
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Brenno near Wschowa (Fraustadt)

Hello!

Does anyone research in the region around Brenno, Lgin (Ilgen) and Wijewo
(Weine) near Wschowa (Fraustadt) in Poland?
I am looking for the following names: Cieslik, Dekiert, Kaczmarek, Jon
(John), Tyczweicz and Swedzik.

If any of these names appear amongst your ancestors, I would be very
grateful for a reply.

Best wishes,
Ingo

============================================================================
======

Polish phone directory at http://www.ksiazka-telefoniczna.com/ has the
following listings:

No Cieslik in Brenno, Ilgen, and Wijewo.

Two Dekiert in Brenno, none in Ilgen, and none in Wijewo.

One Kaczmarek in Brenno, none in Ilgen, and one in Wijewo.

Three Jon in Brenno, none in Ilgen, and one in Wijewo.

No Tyczweicz in Brenno, none in Ilgen, and none in Wijewo.

No Swedzik in Brenno, none in Ilgen and none in Wijewo.

In nearby Wschowa there are no Cieslik, three Dekiert, twenty Kaczmarek,
three Jon no Tyczweicz, and no Swedzik.

Some of these people are probably distant relatives.  You might try writing
to them for information.

Good luck,

Joe in Texas, USA




From patterson.rachael at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 13:22:50 2009
From: patterson.rachael at gmail.com (Rachael Patterson)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:22:50 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] New website: http://germanoriginality.com/
Message-ID: <ac209f2b0903181322h55dc9df8xf418ebc050795af@mail.gmail.com>

Check out this great new German website:

http://germanoriginality.com/

For all those who already know about this site please excuse redundancy. But
for all those who are new to this site, enjoy.

Rachael Patterson
Calgary, AB, CANADA

Surnames researching: Schmeltzer, Purat/Porat, Ast, Ramin, Brenner, Stutz,
Witkoski/Witkowska, Meh/Mehr/Mohr, Langhoff, Loewe, Thal, Krueger, Ebert,
Kindl, Leschwitz/Letwitz/Lettwitz

Placenames researching: Maszewo, Plotsk, Poland; Wahren (Warin),
Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Germany; Wurmberg, Wuerttemberg, Germany;
Neubrandenburg, Mecklenburg, Germany; Lywersdorff, Prussia


From ceo at ametric.com  Wed Mar 18 13:44:25 2009
From: ceo at ametric.com (John Bettger)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:44:25 -0400
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] New website: http://germanoriginality.com/
In-Reply-To: <ac209f2b0903181322h55dc9df8xf418ebc050795af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ac209f2b0903181322h55dc9df8xf418ebc050795af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AEE43B406990764EB823107FB46D447C0198CB68B90E@Server.ametric.com>

Neat site. Is the a way to search names?

Best Regards
John Leon Bettger
email address  ceo at ametric.com

Researching Waterloo South Russia (Stavki Ukraine)
Odessa (city) South Russia (Odessa Ukraine) at 67 Ekaterininskaya Square (at the top of Potemkin Steps)
Slowik (near Lodz) Koenigreich Poland/Prussia
Gruenstadt Bavaria (Worms Germany)
Neubrandenburg, Mecklenburg-Strelitz Prussia/Germany
NAMES: Bettger, Boettcher, Huhn, Schindler







-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Rachael Patterson
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:23 PM
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] New website: http://germanoriginality.com/

Check out this great new German website:

http://germanoriginality.com/

For all those who already know about this site please excuse redundancy. But
for all those who are new to this site, enjoy.

Rachael Patterson
Calgary, AB, CANADA

Surnames researching: Schmeltzer, Purat/Porat, Ast, Ramin, Brenner, Stutz,
Witkoski/Witkowska, Meh/Mehr/Mohr, Langhoff, Loewe, Thal, Krueger, Ebert,
Kindl, Leschwitz/Letwitz/Lettwitz

Placenames researching: Maszewo, Plotsk, Poland; Wahren (Warin),
Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Germany; Wurmberg, Wuerttemberg, Germany;
Neubrandenburg, Mecklenburg, Germany; Lywersdorff, Prussia

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From maurmike1 at verizon.net  Wed Mar 18 14:51:08 2009
From: maurmike1 at verizon.net (MIKE MCHENRY)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:51:08 -0400
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] New website: http://germanoriginality.com/
In-Reply-To: <AEE43B406990764EB823107FB46D447C0198CB68B90E@Server.ametric.com>
References: <ac209f2b0903181322h55dc9df8xf418ebc050795af@mail.gmail.com>
	<AEE43B406990764EB823107FB46D447C0198CB68B90E@Server.ametric.com>
Message-ID: <03d601c9a813$a64b5690$f2e203b0$@net>

They is a genealogy section with links. It has a link for FEEHS & AHSGR but
not us.

 
MIKE


-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of John
Bettger
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:44 PM
To: Rachael Patterson; ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] New website:
http://germanoriginality.com/
Importance: High

Neat site. Is the a way to search names?

Best Regards
John Leon Bettger
email address  ceo at ametric.com

Researching Waterloo South Russia (Stavki Ukraine)
Odessa (city) South Russia (Odessa Ukraine) at 67 Ekaterininskaya Square (at
the top of Potemkin Steps)
Slowik (near Lodz) Koenigreich Poland/Prussia
Gruenstadt Bavaria (Worms Germany)
Neubrandenburg, Mecklenburg-Strelitz Prussia/Germany
NAMES: Bettger, Boettcher, Huhn, Schindler







-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Rachael
Patterson
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:23 PM
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] New website: http://germanoriginality.com/

Check out this great new German website:

http://germanoriginality.com/

For all those who already know about this site please excuse redundancy. But
for all those who are new to this site, enjoy.

Rachael Patterson
Calgary, AB, CANADA

Surnames researching: Schmeltzer, Purat/Porat, Ast, Ramin, Brenner, Stutz,
Witkoski/Witkowska, Meh/Mehr/Mohr, Langhoff, Loewe, Thal, Krueger, Ebert,
Kindl, Leschwitz/Letwitz/Lettwitz

Placenames researching: Maszewo, Plotsk, Poland; Wahren (Warin),
Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Germany; Wurmberg, Wuerttemberg, Germany;
Neubrandenburg, Mecklenburg, Germany; Lywersdorff, Prussia

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From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 18 14:59:25 2009
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:59:25 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] New website: http://germanoriginality.com/
In-Reply-To: <03d601c9a813$a64b5690$f2e203b0$@net>
References: <ac209f2b0903181322h55dc9df8xf418ebc050795af@mail.gmail.com>
	<AEE43B406990764EB823107FB46D447C0198CB68B90E@Server.ametric.com>
	<03d601c9a813$a64b5690$f2e203b0$@net>
Message-ID: <d3ccb2403b921.49c11a5d@shaw.ca>

I've already made the request to add us.??? :-)


Jerry




----- Original Message -----
From: MIKE MCHENRY <maurmike1 at verizon.net>
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] New website: http://germanoriginality.com/
To: 'John Bettger' <ceo at ametric.com>, 'Rachael Patterson' <patterson.rachael at gmail.com>, ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org

> They is a genealogy section with links. It has a link for FEEHS 
> & AHSGR but
> not us.
> 
> ?
> MIKE
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
> [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf 
> Of John
> Bettger
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:44 PM
> To: Rachael Patterson; ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] New website:
> http://germanoriginality.com/
> Importance: High
> 
> Neat site. Is the a way to search names?
> 
> Best Regards
> John Leon Bettger
> email address? ceo at ametric.com
> 
> Researching Waterloo South Russia (Stavki Ukraine)
> Odessa (city) South Russia (Odessa Ukraine) at 67 
> Ekaterininskaya Square (at
> the top of Potemkin Steps)
> Slowik (near Lodz) Koenigreich Poland/Prussia
> Gruenstadt Bavaria (Worms Germany)
> Neubrandenburg, Mecklenburg-Strelitz Prussia/Germany
> NAMES: Bettger, Boettcher, Huhn, Schindler
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
> [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf 
> Of Rachael
> Patterson
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:23 PM
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] New website: 
> http://germanoriginality.com/
> Check out this great new German website:
> 
> http://germanoriginality.com/
> 
> For all those who already know about this site please excuse 
> redundancy. But
> for all those who are new to this site, enjoy.
> 
> Rachael Patterson
> Calgary, AB, CANADA
> 
> Surnames researching: Schmeltzer, Purat/Porat, Ast, Ramin, 
> Brenner, Stutz,
> Witkoski/Witkowska, Meh/Mehr/Mohr, Langhoff, Loewe, Thal, 
> Krueger, Ebert,
> Kindl, Leschwitz/Letwitz/Lettwitz
> 
> Placenames researching: Maszewo, Plotsk, Poland; Wahren (Warin),
> Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Germany; Wurmberg, Wuerttemberg, Germany;
> Neubrandenburg, Mecklenburg, Germany; Lywersdorff, Prussia
> 
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From prussialives at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 18 17:35:43 2009
From: prussialives at yahoo.com (Chris Menke)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:35:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Polish word help
Message-ID: <332928.73954.qm@web55406.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know what these words mean? 
Thanks, Chris 

?Nazwisko?AND Imiona

?
MENKE / MANKE
in Prussia, German-Poland, Russian-Poland, Volhynia, North Dakota
?
SCHAPPERT / KULLMANN 
>From Staudernheim, Germany; to Galicia, to Gretna, Manitoba


      

From joepessarra at suddenlink.net  Wed Mar 18 17:58:23 2009
From: joepessarra at suddenlink.net (Joseph Pessarra)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:58:23 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Polish word help
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References: <332928.73954.qm@web55406.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000901c9a82d$cda8b470$68fa1d50$@net>

Naswisko means surname.

Imiona is the plural of imie or first name.

Joe in Texas


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[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Chris
Menke
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:36 PM
To: Volhynia Listserver
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Polish word help

Does anyone know what these words mean? 
Thanks, Chris 

?Nazwisko?AND Imiona

?
MENKE / MANKE
in Prussia, German-Poland, Russian-Poland, Volhynia, North Dakota
?
SCHAPPERT / KULLMANN 
>From Staudernheim, Germany; to Galicia, to Gretna, Manitoba


      

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From roseingram at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 18 18:19:17 2009
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:19:17 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Polish word help
References: <332928.73954.qm@web55406.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007f01c9a830$b9495fe0$6601a8c0@duocore>

Chris,

Nazwisko = surname
Imiona = given name.

You can find the Polish Word list at 
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/Rg/frameset_rg.asp?Dest=G1&Aid=&Gid=&Lid=&Sid=&Did=&Juris1=&Event=&Year=&Gloss=&Sub=&Tab=&Entry=&Guide=WLPolish.ASP

Rose Ingram
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Chris Menke 
  To: Volhynia Listserver 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 5:35 PM
  Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Polish word help


  Does anyone know what these words mean? 
  Thanks, Chris 

  Nazwisko AND Imiona


  MENKE / MANKE
  in Prussia, German-Poland, Russian-Poland, Volhynia, North Dakota

  SCHAPPERT / KULLMANN 
  >From Staudernheim, Germany; to Galicia, to Gretna, Manitoba


        

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From thejoneses at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 20 14:40:36 2009
From: thejoneses at shaw.ca (Carol Jones)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:40:36 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Finding WUERCH descendants in Germany
Message-ID: <8C081CD396D54FE4A273BD31DF9F0247@GENE>

Can someone on this list direct me to a genealogical society in Germany for locating descendants of Else Louise Ruppel, nee Wuerch, born 6 Oct 1895 in Miroslawka Volhynia, last known address:

Else Ruppel
Quetzen 44
Post Lahde/Weser
Kreis Minden
Westfalen

Carol Jones researching "Which Wurch/Werch/Wuerch/Wirch/Wuirch is which"


From GHBoehm at ish.de  Fri Mar 20 14:55:07 2009
From: GHBoehm at ish.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=FCnther_B=F6hm?=)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:55:07 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Finding WUERCH descendants in Germany
In-Reply-To: <8C081CD396D54FE4A273BD31DF9F0247@GENE>
References: <8C081CD396D54FE4A273BD31DF9F0247@GENE>
Message-ID: <49C410BB.1020102@ish.de>

Carol Jones schrieb:
> Can someone on this list direct me to a genealogical society in Germany for locating descendants of Else Louise Ruppel, nee Wuerch, born 6 Oct 1895 in Miroslawka Volhynia, last known address:
>
> Else Ruppel
> Quetzen 44
> Post Lahde/Weser
> Kreis Minden
> Westfalen

Hello Carol,
the German telphone directory offers three RUPPEL in Lahde

   1. Ruppel Ruth
      B?ckeburger Str. 18E
      32469 Petershagen
      phone +49 5702 614

   2. Ruppel Wilfried u. Marion
      Im Forsten 10
      32469 Petershagen
      phone +49 5702 2165

   3. Ruppel Wilfried
      Industriestr. 9
      32469 Petershagen
      phone +49 5702 4646

3. seems to be the business entry of 2.
Wilfried RUPPEL conducts the trombon choir of the Lahde Lutheran parish.

Good luck,
G?nther


From GHBoehm at ish.de  Sat Mar 21 04:06:36 2009
From: GHBoehm at ish.de (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?G=FCnther_B=F6hm?=)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 12:06:36 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] dictionary of the Polish language in XVII.
 and the first half of XVIII. century
Message-ID: <49C4CA3C.3080201@ish.de>

Hello everybody,
maybe some of you know it - for me it was new and exciting:

    A dictionary of ancient Polish, edited by the Polish Academy of
    Sciences,
    online under http://xvii-wiek.ijp-pan.krakow.pl/pan_klient/index.php .

G?nther



From rschlesselman at comcast.net  Tue Mar 24 19:32:29 2009
From: rschlesselman at comcast.net (Carole)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:32:29 -0400
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Volhynia origin
Message-ID: <58AB951DEFE14235A0CD9E17CB3BFD71@carole01>

I have found on an immigrant list at Grosse-Ile my grandfather's sister, Sofia Ruchotzka (sister of Ludwig Henkel) and her husband Alexander.   It lists their place of origin as Londska Zirda, Colonia Olgin, Russie.  I know they came from Volhynia to Canada.  Can anyone translate this place for me?  

Thank you!
Carole (Henkel) Schlesselman

Searching HENKEL, RUCHOTSKA

From Hannes.Werner at online.de  Wed Mar 25 06:25:26 2009
From: Hannes.Werner at online.de (Hannes Werner)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:25:26 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Volhynia origin
References: <58AB951DEFE14235A0CD9E17CB3BFD71@carole01>
Message-ID: <000901c9ad4d$2ca70480$f800a8c0@end2000>

Hello Carole

I have no idea what "Londska Zirda" means.
But:
we can locate the place Colonia OLGIN, especially because there is
connection to the name HENKEL.
First there is a handmade plan of OLGIN and the colonies in the
neighbourhood. You'll find it here:
http://www.ahnenforschung-grohn.de/deu/wolhynien_orte/olgin-natalin-jadwigin
/olgin-natalin-jadwigin.htm

Next you can identify the place OLGIN in relation to other places in Volynia
on this map:

http://wolhynien.de/images/Lueck1927_gr.jpg

down on the left side, east of HOROCHOW ! (Enlarge the map !)

And: on the third map you'll find old and new colony Olgin on this map more
detailed

http://www.mapywig.org/m/WIG100_300DPI/P47_S40_BERESTECZKO_300dpi.jpg

You find Olgin on upper edge of the map under numerals 16 and 20 (edge of
map) !





----- Original Message -----
From: "Carole" <rschlesselman at comcast.net>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:32 AM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Volhynia origin


> I have found on an immigrant list at Grosse-Ile my grandfather's sister,
Sofia Ruchotzka (sister of Ludwig Henkel) and her husband Alexander.   It
lists their place of origin as Londska Zirda, Colonia Olgin, Russie.  I know
they came from Volhynia to Canada.  Can anyone translate this place for me?
>
> Thank you!
> Carole (Henkel) Schlesselman
>
> Searching HENKEL, RUCHOTSKA
>
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From roseingram at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 25 12:02:16 2009
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:02:16 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Volhynia origin
References: <58AB951DEFE14235A0CD9E17CB3BFD71@carole01>
Message-ID: <003201c9ad7c$36e07740$6601a8c0@duocore>

Carole,

Can you give us the date Sofia arrived and the name of the ship, so we can take a look at the original manifest in case you misread something.

Rose Ingram
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Carole 
  To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:32 PM
  Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Volhynia origin


  I have found on an immigrant list at Grosse-Ile my grandfather's sister, Sofia Ruchotzka (sister of Ludwig Henkel) and her husband Alexander.   It lists their place of origin as Londska Zirda, Colonia Olgin, Russie.  I know they came from Volhynia to Canada.  Can anyone translate this place for me?  

  Thank you!
  Carole (Henkel) Schlesselman

  Searching HENKEL, RUCHOTSKA

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From jankohl57 at aol.com  Thu Mar 26 13:59:42 2009
From: jankohl57 at aol.com (jankohl57@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:59:42 -0400
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Need help cleaning backs of old photo's
Message-ID: <8CB7C6CEBC619D4-126C-986@FWM-D42.sysops.aol.com>

Looking for any suggestions on how to safely clean the backs of old photo's from ca. 1910.? They were at one time glued into a photo album with black pages.? I can get some of the black paper off, but some of it is really adheared to the glue.? I'm desperate to see what the writing says underneath!. I can actually see through the glue and make out letters, so it is more a matter of getting the black paper off without taking some of the ink beneath.? Is there some gentle way of removing the paper without going through to the other side of the photo?? Thanks so much...Janine


From gary at warnerengineering.com  Thu Mar 26 14:11:24 2009
From: gary at warnerengineering.com (Gary Warner)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:11:24 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Need help cleaning backs of old photo's
In-Reply-To: <8CB7C6CEBC619D4-126C-986@FWM-D42.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CB7C6CEBC619D4-126C-986@FWM-D42.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <49CBEF7C.1030102@warnerengineering.com>

Janine,

I do not have an answer for how to get the glue off, but I think that 
you should assume that you are going to ruin the photos in the 
process.   That means that you really MUST scan them before you try to 
get the glue off.

If the glue is old enough, it may be a water soluble glue, but if you 
soak it or even brush the glue with water, it would then most certainly 
ruin the picture.   Such a process may also dissolve the wrting on the 
backs of the picture, so you probably do not want to use more solvent of 
any kind that is absolutely necessary to remove the black paper and thin 
the glue so that you can read through it.

Gary Warner

jankohl57 at aol.com wrote:
> Looking for any suggestions on how to safely clean the backs of old photo's from ca. 1910.? They were at one time glued into a photo album with black pages.? I can get some of the black paper off, but some of it is really adheared to the glue.? I'm desperate to see what the writing says underneath!. I can actually see through the glue and make out letters, so it is more a matter of getting the black paper off without taking some of the ink beneath.? Is there some gentle way of removing the paper without going through to the other side of the photo?? Thanks so much...Janine
>
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From gmason001 at comcast.net  Thu Mar 26 14:24:48 2009
From: gmason001 at comcast.net (Greg Mason)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:24:48 -0400
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Need help cleaning backs of old photo's
In-Reply-To: <8CB7C6CEBC619D4-126C-986@FWM-D42.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CB7C6CEBC619D4-126C-986@FWM-D42.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <3318CCF0-ADC6-40EA-A642-73E2C0D4116B@comcast.net>

Janine:  I have had success with  using naptha.  This sounds dangerous  
and it could be, but use it sparingly, apply it to the baking paper  
only with a q-tip or such and ALWAYS try a very small test spot in a  
corner to insure that it won't affect the photo paper.  I have never  
had a ruined photo from using this material.  Generally, the naptha  
will loosen the glue enough for you to be able to carefully remove it  
from the back of the photo.  Be careful not to soak the photo paper,  
only the album backing paper.   You probably will have to go to a  
pharmacy or chemical shop to obtain high grade naptha.  Best wishes.  
Greg Mason
On Mar 26, 2009, at 4:59 PM, jankohl57 at aol.com wrote:

> Looking for any suggestions on how to safely clean the backs of old  
> photo's from ca. 1910.? They were at one time glued into a photo  
> album with black pages.? I can get some of the black paper off, but  
> some of it is really adheared to the glue.? I'm desperate to see  
> what the writing says underneath!. I can actually see through the  
> glue and make out letters, so it is more a matter of getting the  
> black paper off without taking some of the ink beneath.? Is there  
> some gentle way of removing the paper without going through to the  
> other side of the photo?? Thanks so much...Janine
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
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From ehaas3 at cox.net  Thu Mar 26 15:58:08 2009
From: ehaas3 at cox.net (Eleanor)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:58:08 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Need help cleaning backs of old photo's
In-Reply-To: <8CB7C6CEBC619D4-126C-986@FWM-D42.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CB7C6CEBC619D4-126C-986@FWM-D42.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <A719E4D569C14909964AF0B242A7AA67@EleanorPC>

There is a Un-Du Photo Care Kit that has solution for cleaning both the 
fronts of old pictures and glue residue.  I would check with something like 
that.  Probably the scanning is a good idea anyway.  If you do a google 
search for "un du adhesive remover" there are multiple stes where you can 
get it.  I got it through a photo company years back.

Eleanor Haas

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jankohl57 at aol.com>
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 1:59 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Need help cleaning backs of old photo's


> Looking for any suggestions on how to safely clean the backs of old 
> photo's from ca. 1910.? They were at one time glued into a photo album 
> with black pages.? I can get some of the black paper off, but some of it 
> is really adheared to the glue.? I'm desperate to see what the writing 
> says underneath!. I can actually see through the glue and make out 
> letters, so it is more a matter of getting the black paper off without 
> taking some of the ink beneath.? Is there some gentle way of removing the 
> paper without going through to the other side of the photo?? Thanks so 
> much...Janine
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv


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From rdnatzke at charter.net  Thu Mar 26 19:12:42 2009
From: rdnatzke at charter.net (Royal Natzke)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:12:42 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Need help cleaning backs of old photo's
References: <8CB7C6CEBC619D4-126C-986@FWM-D42.sysops.aol.com>
	<49CBEF7C.1030102@warnerengineering.com>
Message-ID: <AB8DEC917EF44EC0BD58072EF8806688@DOROTHY2>

Janine:

I agree with Gary on scanning the pictures with high resolution (at least 
300 DPI) to make sure you have a good image.

It is important to keep things dry. Working with 220 or rougher sandpaper 
should get the black paper off and start to do a little bit toward getting 
off some of the glue. When you are down to the glue you might want to go 
back to real fine sandpaper to smooth out the glue for an easier 
read-through. Start the process in a blank part of the picture and see what 
happens, without ruining the image on the other side right away.

Rub gently and do not be in a hurry.

I would appreciate hearing how that works for you.

Royal Natzke
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Warner" <gary at warnerengineering.com>
To: <jankohl57 at aol.com>
Cc: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Need help cleaning backs of old photo's


> Janine,
>
> I do not have an answer for how to get the glue off, but I think that
> you should assume that you are going to ruin the photos in the
> process.   That means that you really MUST scan them before you try to
> get the glue off.
>
> If the glue is old enough, it may be a water soluble glue, but if you
> soak it or even brush the glue with water, it would then most certainly
> ruin the picture.   Such a process may also dissolve the wrting on the
> backs of the picture, so you probably do not want to use more solvent of
> any kind that is absolutely necessary to remove the black paper and thin
> the glue so that you can read through it.
>
> Gary Warner
>
> jankohl57 at aol.com wrote:
>> Looking for any suggestions on how to safely clean the backs of old 
>> photo's from ca. 1910.? They were at one time glued into a photo album 
>> with black pages.? I can get some of the black paper off, but some of it 
>> is really adheared to the glue.? I'm desperate to see what the writing 
>> says underneath!. I can actually see through the glue and make out 
>> letters, so it is more a matter of getting the black paper off without 
>> taking some of the ink beneath.? Is there some gentle way of removing the 
>> paper without going through to the other side of the photo?? Thanks so 
>> much...Janine
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
>> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
>> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
>>
>
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:37:17 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Need help cleaning backs of old photo's
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From otto at schienke.com  Fri Mar 27 16:10:42 2009
From: otto at schienke.com (Otto)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:10:42 -0400
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Cleaning old photos
Message-ID: <E3FC89B7-EA15-4015-A08F-65B09ACD695C@schienke.com>

The carefully steaming process sounds like a winner for the back side.

I've cleaned numerous old photographs prior to scanning them both  
front and back side.
After the photo has thoroughly dried from the steaming bit (if needed)  
one would want to further clean it.

Usually there is a silver oxide residue build-up on the viewed side.  
Use "art gum eraser powder" used by draftsmen to clean down their  
tracings or blueprints.

One should be able to purchase it at an office supply store.
Dust it on and with a slight rubbing action lift a lot of the oxide  
from the face of the photo. Do not over rub. Gentle does it.

Cracks, flaws, discolorations can be cleaned up in the scans if Adobe  
Photoshop if available.
I scan in at 600 - 1000 dpi or more so I have a lot of resolution for  
the cleaning process, then size the master print down and save it to  
disk as a "save as" to whatever height, width and dpi is desired. The  
clean hi-resolution "master scan" I save and archive for future use.  
You will be glad you did.


. . .   Otto
          " The Zen moment..." wk. of January 04, 2009-
               ________________________________
                 "The future. . . . always catches up."



From ehaas3 at cox.net  Fri Mar 27 18:14:22 2009
From: ehaas3 at cox.net (Eleanor)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:14:22 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Cleaning old photos
In-Reply-To: <E3FC89B7-EA15-4015-A08F-65B09ACD695C@schienke.com>
References: <E3FC89B7-EA15-4015-A08F-65B09ACD695C@schienke.com>
Message-ID: <4368A4F36898449882BA176AA3B9482B@EleanorPC>

I don't know why my message didn't get sent out.  There is a product from 
Un-du. . . google it and it cleans both the front and the back.  Eleanor


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Otto" <otto at schienke.com>
To: "GPV List" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 4:10 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Cleaning old photos


> The carefully steaming process sounds like a winner for the back side.
>
> I've cleaned numerous old photographs prior to scanning them both
> front and back side.
> After the photo has thoroughly dried from the steaming bit (if needed)
> one would want to further clean it.
>
> Usually there is a silver oxide residue build-up on the viewed side.
> Use "art gum eraser powder" used by draftsmen to clean down their
> tracings or blueprints.
>
> One should be able to purchase it at an office supply store.
> Dust it on and with a slight rubbing action lift a lot of the oxide
> from the face of the photo. Do not over rub. Gentle does it.
>
> Cracks, flaws, discolorations can be cleaned up in the scans if Adobe
> Photoshop if available.
> I scan in at 600 - 1000 dpi or more so I have a lot of resolution for
> the cleaning process, then size the master print down and save it to
> disk as a "save as" to whatever height, width and dpi is desired. The
> clean hi-resolution "master scan" I save and archive for future use.
> You will be glad you did.
>
>
> . . .   Otto
>          " The Zen moment..." wk. of January 04, 2009-
>               ________________________________
>                 "The future. . . . always catches up."
>
>
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From jeffkrebs at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 27 19:10:13 2009
From: jeffkrebs at shaw.ca (Jeff Krebs)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:10:13 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Cleaning old photos
In-Reply-To: <4368A4F36898449882BA176AA3B9482B@EleanorPC>
References: <E3FC89B7-EA15-4015-A08F-65B09ACD695C@schienke.com>
	<4368A4F36898449882BA176AA3B9482B@EleanorPC>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAN9bKDrhL2FPhsII4W4Usw3CgAAAEAAAABnB+Ml0WrZJt47ePi83qIkBAAAAAA==@shaw.ca>

http://www.scrapbook.com/products/review.php?m=show&sku=ud-00110


Here is a link to the UN-DU product....


Jeff


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From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Eleanor
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 7:14 PM
To: Otto; GPV List
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Cleaning old photos

I don't know why my message didn't get sent out.  There is a product from 
Un-du. . . google it and it cleans both the front and the back.  Eleanor


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Otto" <otto at schienke.com>
To: "GPV List" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 4:10 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Cleaning old photos


> The carefully steaming process sounds like a winner for the back side.
>
> I've cleaned numerous old photographs prior to scanning them both
> front and back side.
> After the photo has thoroughly dried from the steaming bit (if needed)
> one would want to further clean it.
>
> Usually there is a silver oxide residue build-up on the viewed side.
> Use "art gum eraser powder" used by draftsmen to clean down their
> tracings or blueprints.
>
> One should be able to purchase it at an office supply store.
> Dust it on and with a slight rubbing action lift a lot of the oxide
> from the face of the photo. Do not over rub. Gentle does it.
>
> Cracks, flaws, discolorations can be cleaned up in the scans if Adobe
> Photoshop if available.
> I scan in at 600 - 1000 dpi or more so I have a lot of resolution for
> the cleaning process, then size the master print down and save it to
> disk as a "save as" to whatever height, width and dpi is desired. The
> clean hi-resolution "master scan" I save and archive for future use.
> You will be glad you did.
>
>
> . . .   Otto
>          " The Zen moment..." wk. of January 04, 2009-
>               ________________________________
>                 "The future. . . . always catches up."
>
>
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From jeffkrebs at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 27 19:13:35 2009
From: jeffkrebs at shaw.ca (Jeff Krebs)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:13:35 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Cleaning old photos
In-Reply-To: <4368A4F36898449882BA176AA3B9482B@EleanorPC>
References: <E3FC89B7-EA15-4015-A08F-65B09ACD695C@schienke.com>
	<4368A4F36898449882BA176AA3B9482B@EleanorPC>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAN9bKDrhL2FPhsII4W4Usw3CgAAAEAAAAJzbR9zt6uVHqmcvt/Rrfv0BAAAAAA==@shaw.ca>

Or better yet, here is the home page.  Sounds like a great product.

https://un-du.com/

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Eleanor
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 7:14 PM
To: Otto; GPV List
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Cleaning old photos

I don't know why my message didn't get sent out.  There is a product from 
Un-du. . . google it and it cleans both the front and the back.  Eleanor


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Otto" <otto at schienke.com>
To: "GPV List" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 4:10 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Cleaning old photos


> The carefully steaming process sounds like a winner for the back side.
>
> I've cleaned numerous old photographs prior to scanning them both
> front and back side.
> After the photo has thoroughly dried from the steaming bit (if needed)
> one would want to further clean it.
>
> Usually there is a silver oxide residue build-up on the viewed side.
> Use "art gum eraser powder" used by draftsmen to clean down their
> tracings or blueprints.
>
> One should be able to purchase it at an office supply store.
> Dust it on and with a slight rubbing action lift a lot of the oxide
> from the face of the photo. Do not over rub. Gentle does it.
>
> Cracks, flaws, discolorations can be cleaned up in the scans if Adobe
> Photoshop if available.
> I scan in at 600 - 1000 dpi or more so I have a lot of resolution for
> the cleaning process, then size the master print down and save it to
> disk as a "save as" to whatever height, width and dpi is desired. The
> clean hi-resolution "master scan" I save and archive for future use.
> You will be glad you did.
>
>
> . . .   Otto
>          " The Zen moment..." wk. of January 04, 2009-
>               ________________________________
>                 "The future. . . . always catches up."
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv


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From marzinke at sbcglobal.net  Sat Mar 28 07:25:51 2009
From: marzinke at sbcglobal.net (Walter Marzinke)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:25:51 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Assistance with Marzinke from Kalish in
	Russian Poland
Message-ID: <704A372159A2465682F2167FE3E49F69@WalterHomePC>

In my father's  EWZ records I have established that his father, Michael Marzinke (1862) came from Kalish.  He married an Emilie Adam in 1885 in Zhitomir Parish.  I believe the family were Lutherans.  Michael's father was Daniel Marzinke.  Michael's mother maiden name might have been a  Siewert. 
I assume that when reference is made to Kalish there might be another village where I might be able to find records for birth, marriage, etc.  Any help would be appreciated. In a couple records I also found the name spelled with Marzinki.  Appreciate any help.

From roseingram at shaw.ca  Sun Mar 29 11:24:12 2009
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:24:12 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Assistance with Marzinke from Kalish
	in	Russian Poland
References: <704A372159A2465682F2167FE3E49F69@WalterHomePC>
Message-ID: <004c01c9b09b$8f9d7410$6601a8c0@duocore>

Walter

It is possible that Michael came from or was born in Kalisch / Kalisz town or a village in surrounding area, in Poland, and his family migrated to Volhynia in the 1860's.  

I see that Emilie Adam's mother is a Roesler.  There are plenty of Adam and Roesler families in the Wladyslawow-Dabie-Poddibice parishes (area north of Kalisch) which leads me to think that possibly the Marzinke and Adam families may have known each other here, and settling in the same area in Volhynia. 

My two cents worth in trying to connect the dots.

Rose Ingram
  From: Walter Marzinke 
  Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 


  In my father's  EWZ records I have established that his father, Michael Marzinke (1862) came from Kalish.  He married an Emilie Adam in 1885 in Zhitomir Parish.  I believe the family were Lutherans.  Michael's father was Daniel Marzinke.  Michael's mother maiden name might have been a  Siewert. 
  I assume that when reference is made to Kalish there might be another village where I might be able to find records for birth, marriage, etc.  Any help would be appreciated. In a couple records I also found the name spelled with Marzinki.  Appreciate any help.



From bronklimach at gmail.com  Tue Mar 31 17:07:42 2009
From: bronklimach at gmail.com (Bronwyn Klimach)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:07:42 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] RootsMagic 4 trial ends
Message-ID: <129d86830903311707g5957001dyd2c1c7026ab4538f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
Have many of you trialled RootsMagic 4?  As always I left playing with it to
the last minute (believing the trial would end at midnight corresponding to
somewhere in the US...) and so was in the middle of trying out an assortment
of reports when my time ended.
I'm quite tempted by this programme but would appreciate others' ideas,
especially as I believe Legacy to be very high on the list of happy users of
this mailing list.
I'm currently still working with Family Tree Maker.
Kind regards,
Bronwyn.


From seipert at gmail.com  Tue Mar 31 17:36:59 2009
From: seipert at gmail.com (Sue Eipert)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:36:59 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] RootsMagic 4 trial ends
In-Reply-To: <129d86830903311707g5957001dyd2c1c7026ab4538f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <129d86830903311707g5957001dyd2c1c7026ab4538f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49D2B72B.7060809@gmail.com>

Hi,

I have been a very happy user of Rootsmagic for many years, and have 
just started with the new version - Rootsmagic 4

I think you're referring to the end of the beta test trial. You should 
now be able to download the official new version of Rootsmagic 4 from 
the Rootsmagic website at any time for a free trial (which can be used 
for, I think, 30 days before needing to purchase it).

Rootsmagic has great capabilities for handling sources and places, among 
many other things, and is also quite user-friendly. One of its virtues 
is its flexibility.

It has an active user group and a responsive developer. This version was 
a complete rewrite and has been tested by lots of users for a couple 
months. New reporting capabilities are among the features that will be 
added in the near future.

Sue


Bronwyn Klimach wrote:
> Hi,
> Have many of you trialled RootsMagic 4?  As always I left playing with it to
> the last minute (believing the trial would end at midnight corresponding to
> somewhere in the US...) and so was in the middle of trying out an assortment
> of reports when my time ended.
> I'm quite tempted by this programme but would appreciate others' ideas,
> especially as I believe Legacy to be very high on the list of happy users of
> this mailing list.
> I'm currently still working with Family Tree Maker.
> Kind regards,
> Bronwyn.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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