From bronklimach at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 02:55:03 2009
From: bronklimach at gmail.com (Bronwyn Klimach)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:55:03 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Radom church document request
In-Reply-To: <c38.55997f51.3754b1d1@aol.com>
References: <c38.55997f51.3754b1d1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <129d86830906010255w4f159001jfb050d299f2f7dc9@mail.gmail.com>

Bob,
Have you seen records for Rypin and Sierpc on EZAB as I cannot find them
there (and hope I am not missing something terribly obvious)?
Bronwyn.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 5:23 AM, <Krampetz at aol.com> wrote:

> Earl,  is that a Catholic church?   As the Lutheran churches  (likely
>      long gone) have their old books at the EZA  in Berlin
> (_http://ezab.de_ (http://ezab.de) )
>
>      Bob
>
>
> In a message dated 5/30/2009 8:09:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> Earl.Schultz at telusplanet.net writes:
>
> We  discovered in preparing for our trip to Poland last year that the
> churches  in the Rypin and Sierpc areas, and we assume throughout Poland,
> give a copy  of their church books to the town office where they are
> retained
> until they  are 100 years old.  At that time they are passed to the  Polish
> Archives.  They (Rypin town offices) were able to tell me the  record
> numbers
> of the entries I was looking for but required me to prove  that I was
> related.  They said that I could order the documents  through the Polish
> embassy but proof of descent was still required and the  cost was quite
> high
> (about $45 CDN).  In Sierpc they were more willing  to provide information
> without proof of relationship but would not give a  formal document without
> proof.  Cost in Poland was 21 Zl or about $10  CDN last year and less
> today.
>
> Earl
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From Earl.Schultz at telusplanet.net  Mon Jun  1 12:51:54 2009
From: Earl.Schultz at telusplanet.net (Earl.Schultz)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:51:54 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Radom church document request
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1243882804.18336.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
References: <mailman.1.1243882804.18336.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
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Bob and Bronwyn & others, 

no these churches are Lutheran Churches and they are still operating today.
EZAB has the Rypin records but I believe not the Sierpc records.  I have the
Michalki-Rypin records from 1810 to 1865 (LDS films 715,096 to 715,102) in
an indexed file and I'm currently putting the families together before
submitting this to SGGEE for their Pedigree Database.

Earl
------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 00:23:45 EDT
From: Krampetz at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Radom church document request
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Earl,  is that a Catholic church?   As the Lutheran churches  (likely
      long gone) have their old books at the EZA  in Berlin  
(_http://ezab.de_ (http://ezab.de) ) 
 
      Bob
 
 
In a message dated 5/30/2009 8:09:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
Earl.Schultz at telusplanet.net writes:

We  discovered in preparing for our trip to Poland last year that the
churches  in the Rypin and Sierpc areas, and we assume throughout Poland,
give a copy  of their church books to the town office where they are 
retained
until they  are 100 years old.  At that time they are passed to the  Polish
Archives.  They (Rypin town offices) were able to tell me the  record 
numbers
of the entries I was looking for but required me to prove  that I was
related.  They said that I could order the documents  through the Polish
embassy but proof of descent was still required and the  cost was quite high
(about $45 CDN).  In Sierpc they were more willing  to provide information
without proof of relationship but would not give a  formal document without
proof.  Cost in Poland was 21 Zl or about $10  CDN last year and less  
today.

Earl

------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:55:03 +0100
From: Bronwyn Klimach <bronklimach at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Radom church document request
To: Krampetz at aol.com
Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Message-ID:
	<129d86830906010255w4f159001jfb050d299f2f7dc9 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Bob,
Have you seen records for Rypin and Sierpc on EZAB as I cannot find them
there (and hope I am not missing something terribly obvious)?
Bronwyn.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 5:23 AM, <Krampetz at aol.com> wrote:

> Earl,  is that a Catholic church?   As the Lutheran churches  (likely
>      long gone) have their old books at the EZA  in Berlin
> (_http://ezab.de_ (http://ezab.de) )
>
>      Bob
>



From douggrauman at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  1 16:52:01 2009
From: douggrauman at yahoo.com (Doug G.)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:52:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Graumann
Message-ID: <904945.79774.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


I'm researching my Graumann family and here's what I have thus far:

Georg Friedrich Graumann was born in Mecklenburg, Germany in 1771.  Some time after this he went to western Prussia, possibly Tsczerbin, Poland area and had a son, Christian, B. 1797.  In around 1812, he and Christian (his wife died prior to), and his nephew Gottfried, B. 1798 Tsczerbin, Poland, headed for Bessarabia, Russia.  Georg Friedrich and Christian settled in Tarutino while Gottfried settled in Kulm.

I've been searching church records in Mecklenburg for the parents of Georg Friedrich but have had no luck finding any Graumann's thus far.  Since I don't know for certain where in Poland he was, or how long he was there, I haven't spent any time searching Polish records.

I do know Gottfried was born in Tsczerbin in September 1798 but I would be guessing to assume Georg Friedrich was married there or that his son Christian was also born there.  They did, however, arrive at the same time in Bessarabia.

I have all the information I need regarding their lives in and after Bessarabia, but I have very little of their lives prior to their arrival there (in Poland and Germany).

Anyone researching the Bessarabian Graumann's please e-mail me using my first and last name @yahoo.com


 
Doug Grauman



      

From Krampetz at aol.com  Mon Jun  1 18:06:07 2009
From: Krampetz at aol.com (Krampetz@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:06:07 EDT
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EZA   was:  Radom church document request
Message-ID: <cfe.5610f0de.3755d4ff@aol.com>

EZA is the "Evangelical Archives" of the Eastern European Protestant  
churches.
They allow you to go to their Berlin  Offices and do the  research there, 
or you
 can have them do the research for you..  There are fees.
 You can read what they have & what they offer at _http://ezab.de_ 
(http://ezab.de)  ...
 
Last year,  I emailed them my grandfather's name,  his brother's  name, and 
two sisters names,  and the towns they gave on their Ellis Island  
manifests (which, by the way weren't quite correct).    They  found most records, 
but I hadn't given them the parents name - not  expecting their reply in less 
than 24 hours! ..   When I gave  their 
parents names,  they found the first marriage, the death of my great  
grandmother, the remarriage of my ggfather and one earlier child (my grand  
father).   In two weeks I had all copies mailed to me - BEFORE I sent  their 
payment (~ 100 Euros, two hours work & copies & mailing)
 
I am tempted to request more,  but I *KNOW* I must get into the  microfilm 
records myself if I expect to learn.   
I joined the SGGEE and found my gggparents names and their two sons (one  
being my ggfather) in the master database, so there's many names missing but  
there are lots more than I've found elsewhere, and I'll soon be adding  
more.  
 
Bob 
  Researching:  Krampitz, Wollenberg (my records say  Woldenberg),  Malon, 
Kreuger,  and Buroff.  
    
 
 
In a message dated 6/1/2009 2:55:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
bronklimach at gmail.com writes:

Bob,
Have you seen records for Rypin and Sierpc on EZAB as I cannot find them  
there (and hope I am not missing something terribly obvious)?
Bronwyn.


On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 5:23 AM, <_Krampetz at aol.com_ 
(mailto:Krampetz at aol.com) > wrote:

Earl,  is that a Catholic church?   As the  Lutheran churches  (likely
long gone) have their  old books at the EZA  in Berlin
(__http://ezab.de__ (http://ezab.de_/)  (_http://ezab.de_ (http://ezab.de/) 
) )

Bob



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From Krampetz at aol.com  Mon Jun  1 18:15:08 2009
From: Krampetz at aol.com (Krampetz@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:15:08 EDT
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Radom church document request
Message-ID: <c10.5dab921a.3755d71c@aol.com>

Earl (or anyone else)
    Wasn't Sierpc part of the Lipno church parish?
     Is there some where a list of towns that  the Lipno church covered?
   
     I know that Plock was the voivodship for Lipno,  but wasn't (for 
instance)
     Plock part of the Lipno church?    
 
Bob
 
 
In a message dated 6/1/2009 1:48:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
Earl.Schultz at telusplanet.net writes:

Bob and  Bronwyn & others, 

no these churches are Lutheran Churches and they  are still operating today.
EZAB has the Rypin records but I believe not the  Sierpc records.  I have 
the
Michalki-Rypin records from 1810 to 1865  (LDS films 715,096 to 715,102) in
an indexed file and I'm currently putting  the families together before
submitting this to SGGEE for their Pedigree  Database.

Earl

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From lmpauling at utech.net  Mon Jun  1 21:00:11 2009
From: lmpauling at utech.net (Linda Marks Pauling)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:00:11 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Radom church document request
References: <c10.5dab921a.3755d71c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A5945F7B28D74099A18CC0E04537274F@LINDASTOY>

Bob, Uwe Kerntopf has a wonderful site that lists the villages in Lipno and 
the names of the surrounding parishes as well. You will see that Lipno, 
Sierpc, Rypin, Plock are each separate parishes. The records for Lipno and 
Rypin are in the EZA but for Sierpc and Plock they are not. Those must be 
searched or requested through the Archive in Plock.

http://www.kerntopf.com/dobrin/

Both Lipno and Rypin have active Evangelical parishes. The church in Sierpc 
now belongs to the Catholic congregation and they have added to it, repaired 
it, and worship in it weekly. I was thrilled to worship in both the Sierpc 
and the Rypin church last summer.

hope this helps clarify things.
linda



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Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Radom church document request


> Earl (or anyone else)
>    Wasn't Sierpc part of the Lipno church parish?
>     Is there some where a list of towns that  the Lipno church covered?
>
>     I know that Plock was the voivodship for Lipno,  but wasn't (for
> instance)
>     Plock part of the Lipno church?
>
> Bob




From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Wed Jun  3 05:52:17 2009
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:52:17 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Schneider search in Canada
Message-ID: <4A267201.7090109@shaw.ca>

I received the following message from Andreas Schneider in Germany.  He 
does not subscribe to our mailing list so, if you can help, please 
respond to him directly at this address:

schneiderseminar at 12online.de

The translated message is:
---------------------
I am writing about my relatives who emigrated from Wolhynien in 
1905-1935 to Canada. My great grandmother Bertha Schneider (father's 
name August) was born  15.08.1894 (marriage name Schmidt).  Until her 
year of death (approx. 1929-1930) she lived in the place Dobry Kut in 
Pulin (Shitomir), Wohlynien. Their family has consisted of 4 people.
Husband - Gustav Schmidt (father's name Gottlieb) 12/07/1892
And the children:
Ida  Schmidt 19.09.1923; Waldemar Schmidt in 1926; Robert Schmidt in 1929.
I have found all dates of birth in grandmother's birth certificate.
But now central issue, belonging is to my search.

Bertha had a brother, Edward Schneider.
I do not know the dates of birth of Edward Schneider . My grandmother 
Ida has told me that Edward must be about 5 years older than his sister 
Bertha. So year of birth of Edward must be about in in 1888-1889 or so.
Further the history is that Edward Schneider with two sons and his wife 
migrated to Canada sometime between 1905-1930.
How has he go to Canada? Our family has not information as to whether or 
not he really did go.

Dear Dear ladies and gentlemen, I have to you a request if some 
information about my relatives exists generally to send me by email.

Yours sincerely
Andreas Schneider
02.06.2009 Hannover

-------------------

-- 
Jerry Frank
Calgary, AB



From lmpauling at utech.net  Sat Jun  6 16:22:42 2009
From: lmpauling at utech.net (Linda Marks Pauling)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 16:22:42 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Lipno Confirmation Records 1867-1906
Message-ID: <4EC19067F7FD443AB8F8D1A58986B6C1@LINDASTOY>

I have film #2,150,611 Lipno Confirmation Records 1867-1906 at our local FHL and am willing to do look-ups if you can give me a name and approximate year. I have found that these are wonderful because they help to bridge the gap after the bmd films end with 1865.


The earlier records on this film give the confirmand's name, the home village, the father's name and date and place of confirmation.  (and the grades!) Later, they add the mother's name, then the mother's maiden name, and in the very latest the village of birth. Otherwise it is the village where the family is living at the time. At times, information is missing. Sometimes the name in the "family" column is different from that of the confirmand and I imagine the father has died and this is a step-father or uncle. 

It appears that sometimes the confirmation takes place only in Lipno; sometimes it is a different date for the various Kantorates, and in some cases it seems that the confirmation is in Lipno, but the Kantorate and the Kantor are mentioned as "presenting his class." I like too in the later records when they noted the liturgical Sunday and the text the Pastor used. I enjoyed looking those up and seeing what great texts he preached on.

These records are in table format rather than the narrative as in the bmd records for this parish. The young people were confirmed at age 15 or 16 altho a few are a bit older. I think they had to be 15 by the date of confirmation so if their birthday was later in the year, they are in the next class.

Our local FHL is only open 2 days a week for a few hours, so depending on how many requests I get, it may take a while. The copier there is broken, but they have allowed us to take digtal photographs. There are many many familiar names on this film... Makes me think that if I walked into this church in 1880's, I would know half the people! Perhaps it will have your missing relative!

If you have a lot of family members in this church at this time, you may want to order the film yourself. The mother's maiden names especially are difficult to read because they are written so tiny and squeezed into the space. And of course, as always, we need to be flexible about spelling.

Linda Pauling


From worth_a at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  7 05:08:22 2009
From: worth_a at yahoo.com (Worth Anderson)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 05:08:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Article on History of Lipno Parish
Message-ID: <131617.4043.qm@web110405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


A friend pointed out a recent article on the history of Lipno Parish:

Krzysztof Klodawski, "From History of the Evangelical-Augsburg Parish in Lipno (From the End of the XVIII Century to the Year 1914)," which was published in "Notatki Plockie," the quarterly publication of the Plock Scientific SOciety (Towarzystwa Naukowego Plockiego), in the July-September 2008 issue (issue 3 of vol. 216).  The article is in Polish.

The society's e-mail is: notatkiplockie at interia.pl


      


From remus at hawaii.edu  Sun Jun  7 15:39:09 2009
From: remus at hawaii.edu (William Remus)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 12:39:09 -1000
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Special Lecture in St Joseph MI July 13th
 Monday for Volhynian Descendents
Message-ID: <fc14fcde184095.4a2bb4ed@hawaii.edu>

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  ?
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  ?
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From Krampetz at aol.com  Sun Jun  7 16:00:01 2009
From: Krampetz at aol.com (Krampetz@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 19:00:01 EDT
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Article on History of Lipno Parish
Message-ID: <c53.4e26725d.375da071@aol.com>

Is there a way to get a copy of that article?
 
 
 
In a message dated 6/7/2009 5:20:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
worth_a at yahoo.com writes:


A  friend pointed out a recent article on the history of Lipno  Parish:

Krzysztof Klodawski, "From History of the Evangelical-Augsburg  Parish in 
Lipno (From the End of the XVIII Century to the Year 1914)," which  was 
published in "Notatki Plockie," the quarterly publication of the Plock  
Scientific SOciety (Towarzystwa Naukowego Plockiego), in the July-September  2008 
issue (issue 3 of vol. 216).  The article is in Polish.

The  society's e-mail is: notatkiplockie at interia.pl




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From colnels at telus.net  Sun Jun  7 19:09:52 2009
From: colnels at telus.net (Nelson Itterman)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 20:09:52 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EZA was: Radom church document request
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References: <cfe.5610f0de.3755d4ff@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c9e7de$37230e10$a5692a30$@net>

I spent the better part of week in the EZA Berlin Archives couple of years
ago. They have all the church records from Koenigsburg in what used to be
East Prussia. I was really on a wild goose chase because 
the only information I had was the  family came form Koenigsburg, and I
assumed it was East Prussia, although I understand there were a lot of
germans emigrating from Oest Preussen in the early 1800's. 
My GrGrandfather Christian was born in Rudinka, Volhynia in 1832 and all I
know is that his father was Jakob. I may yet go back, or get a researcher to
follow up and see whether any Ittermann's came from there. The people in the
archive at that time said to their knowledge there were none of my relatives
coming from there. Christian married Luise Berwold's (Baerwald) whose family
came out of Pommerania. Which does not help. I have their marriage
certificate which shows Christian to be 15 yrs old and Luise was 13 years of
age. I thought it was a bit early, but I understand it was not uncommon for
marriages at that age where the families knew each other.
I tried recently to get them to do some searching for me on the name. They
just referred me some researchers in Berlin. Accomodation in Berlin would be
pretty pricy now. Probably several hundred euro's a day.
Nelson

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Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EZA was: Radom church document request


EZA is the "Evangelical Archives" of the Eastern European Protestant
churches.
They allow you to go to their Berlin  Offices and do the  research there, or
you  can have them do the research for you..  There are fees.
 You can read what they have & what they offer at _http://ezab.de_
(http://ezab.de)  ...
 
Last year,  I emailed them my grandfather's name,  his brother's  name, and
two sisters names,  and the towns they gave on their Ellis Island  
manifests (which, by the way weren't quite correct).    They  found most
records, 
but I hadn't given them the parents name - not  expecting their reply in
less 
than 24 hours! ..   When I gave  their 
parents names,  they found the first marriage, the death of my great
grandmother, the remarriage of my ggfather and one earlier child (my grand  
father).   In two weeks I had all copies mailed to me - BEFORE I sent  their

payment (~ 100 Euros, two hours work & copies & mailing)
 
I am tempted to request more,  but I *KNOW* I must get into the  microfilm 
records myself if I expect to learn.   
I joined the SGGEE and found my gggparents names and their two sons (one
being my ggfather) in the master database, so there's many names missing but
there are lots more than I've found elsewhere, and I'll soon be adding more.

 
Bob
  Researching:  Krampitz, Wollenberg (my records say  Woldenberg),  Malon,
Kreuger,  and Buroff.  
    
 
 
In a message dated 6/1/2009 2:55:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
bronklimach at gmail.com writes:

Bob,
Have you seen records for Rypin and Sierpc on EZAB as I cannot find them  
there (and hope I am not missing something terribly obvious)?
Bronwyn.


On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 5:23 AM, <_Krampetz at aol.com_ 
(mailto:Krampetz at aol.com) > wrote:

Earl,  is that a Catholic church?   As the  Lutheran churches  (likely
long gone) have their  old books at the EZA  in Berlin
(__http://ezab.de__ (http://ezab.de_/)  (_http://ezab.de_ (http://ezab.de/) 
) )

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From cmduff at redwing.net  Tue Jun  9 08:32:32 2009
From: cmduff at redwing.net (Carol Duff)
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 10:32:32 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Itterman in Volhynia
Message-ID: <4A2E8090.5050306@redwing.net>

Nelson:
    I am passing Itterman people as I go through the Zhitomir archives.  
Do you want me to save the references for you?  I am already adding 
Rosenthals to my list for someone else.  I can do a limited number in 
addition to my family. I save the content, the year, frame and #. I 
believe you have helped me in the past. If you do not have and want 
these people, I will do it. Carol


From Krampetz at aol.com  Tue Jun  9 17:56:55 2009
From: Krampetz at aol.com (Krampetz@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 20:56:55 EDT
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ  records
Message-ID: <bca.4d6cc0e9.37605ed7@aol.com>

from an article in the 2001 FEEFHS Journal:
      Einwandererzentrale (EWZ) records from  the Berlin Document Center. 
            (Einwandererzentrale translates to 'Immigrants Central')
 
According to a Google search,  the National archives has those records  
listed,   
but a search for them via their ARC/ADD search turns up 'not  found'.   
Has anyone looked into these?   There's an example as part of the  article.
  (_http://feefhs.org/journal/9/obee.pdf_ 
(http://feefhs.org/journal/9/obee.pdf) )
 
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From daveobee at shaw.ca  Tue Jun  9 18:09:52 2009
From: daveobee at shaw.ca (Dave Obee)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 18:09:52 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ  records
In-Reply-To: <bca.4d6cc0e9.37605ed7@aol.com>
References: <bca.4d6cc0e9.37605ed7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0975CF654DC64DCC95982B9060769046@Dave08>

Extensive work has been done, with virtually all of the Russian series 
indexed.

Go to www.volhynia.com for more info.

Dave Obee


----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 5:56 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ records


> from an article in the 2001 FEEFHS Journal:
>      Einwandererzentrale (EWZ) records from  the Berlin Document Center.
>            (Einwandererzentrale translates to 'Immigrants Central')
>
> According to a Google search,  the National archives has those records
> listed,
> but a search for them via their ARC/ADD search turns up 'not  found'.
> Has anyone looked into these?   There's an example as part of the 
> article.
>  (_http://feefhs.org/journal/9/obee.pdf_
> (http://feefhs.org/journal/9/obee.pdf) )
>
> Bob
>
>
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From Krampetz at aol.com  Tue Jun  9 19:07:36 2009
From: Krampetz at aol.com (Krampetz@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:07:36 EDT
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ  records
Message-ID: <d38.4da5f9bb.37606f68@aol.com>

Dave!  Great article,  as a newbie at this - it was a good read!  ..
 
Wouldn't "Einwander" be *all* immigrants?   Not just those
to Volhynia?      It's almost like Polish  territory Germans are
a different nationality than Volynia Germans..
 
Bob
 
 
In a message dated 6/9/2009 6:09:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
daveobee at shaw.ca writes:

Extensive work has been done, with virtually all of the Russian  series 
indexed.

Go to www.volhynia.com for more info.

Dave  Obee


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To:  <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009  5:56 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] EWZ records


> from an  article in the 2001 FEEFHS Journal:
>       Einwandererzentrale (EWZ) records from  the Berlin Document  Center.
>            (Einwandererzentrale  translates to 'Immigrants Central')
>
> According to a Google  search,  the National archives has those records
> listed,
>  but a search for them via their ARC/ADD search turns up 'not   found'.
> Has anyone looked into these?   There's an example  as part of the 
> article.
>   (_http://feefhs.org/journal/9/obee.pdf_
>  (http://feefhs.org/journal/9/obee.pdf) )
>
>  Bob
>
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From rroggow at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 10 06:04:56 2009
From: rroggow at yahoo.com (Ronald Roggow)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 06:04:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Breitkruez Family
Message-ID: <675307.19840.qm@web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

How can I go about finding whatever happened to the Friedrick and Julianna Breitkruez family who stayed behind in Volhynia in the 1920's.? A son, August and a daughter, Rosalie along with her two children and two nieces (Braun) found their way to Saginaw, Michigan.? August and wife (Valeria Helwig) in 1914 and Rosalie in 1923 to join her husband Julius Frank.? The Breitkruez family lived near Dubno.
?
Ron


      

From r-r-bartel at t-online.de  Wed Jun 10 09:52:00 2009
From: r-r-bartel at t-online.de (R. Bartel)
Date: 10 Jun 2009 16:52 GMT
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Heinrich Bartel- Austria/Galicia 1888
Message-ID: <1MER2k-1vLV320@fwd11.aul.t-online.de>

   
Hello of friends,
I looks for for a Heinrich Bartel,geb.5. M?rz 1888 in
Narajuf/Galicia-Austria.
Heinrich is 1912 over Rotterdam with the ship " Rijendam "
to New York to its brother.
Does someone know somewhat about this Heinrich?
Doesit give descendants of it?
Yours sincerely 
Ralf Bartel  Germany

------  

From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 10 10:28:38 2009
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:28:38 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Heinrich Bartel- Austria/Galicia 1888
In-Reply-To: <1MER2k-1vLV320@fwd11.aul.t-online.de>
References: <1MER2k-1vLV320@fwd11.aul.t-online.de>
Message-ID: <f312c1869468.4a2f98e6@shaw.ca>



----- Original Message -----
From: "R. Bartel" <r-r-bartel at t-online.de>
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:58 am
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Heinrich Bartel- Austria/Galicia 1888
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org

> ?? 
> Hello of friends,
> I looks for for a Heinrich Bartel,geb.5. M?rz 1888 in
> Narajuf/Galicia-Austria.
> Heinrich is 1912 over Rotterdam with the ship " Rijendam "
> to New York to its brother.
> Does someone know somewhat about this Heinrich?
> Doesit give descendants of it?
> Yours sincerely 
> Ralf Bartel? Germany
> 
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From gary at warnerengineering.com  Wed Jun 10 15:30:16 2009
From: gary at warnerengineering.com (Gary Warner)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:30:16 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Heinrich Bartel- Austria/Galicia 1888
In-Reply-To: <1MER2k-1vLV320@fwd11.aul.t-online.de>
References: <1MER2k-1vLV320@fwd11.aul.t-online.de>
Message-ID: <4A3033F8.4050909@warnerengineering.com>

Ralf,

It appears that Henrich is detained in New York in 1912, so I am not 
sure if he actually entered the USA or not at that time.  

Is the brother in New York named Frank?

Gary Warner
SGGEE

R. Bartel wrote:
>    
> Hello of friends,
> I looks for for a Heinrich Bartel,geb.5. M?rz 1888 in
> Narajuf/Galicia-Austria.
> Heinrich is 1912 over Rotterdam with the ship " Rijendam "
> to New York to its brother.
> Does someone know somewhat about this Heinrich?
> Doesit give descendants of it?
> Yours sincerely 
> Ralf Bartel  Germany
>
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From roseingram at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 10 18:34:15 2009
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:34:15 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Breitkruez Family
References: <675307.19840.qm@web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002401c9ea34$bb3b1460$6601a8c0@duocore>

Ron,

SGGEE has recently completed the indexing of names from various sources that came into our possession a few years ago, covering the approximate time period you refer to.

These are KGB Records and  Repatriated/Expelled person records.  They will be posted on the SGGEE website in the Member's area, some time later this summer. 

Rose Ingram
  From: Ronald Roggow 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 6:04 AM

  How can I go about finding whatever happened to the Friedrick and Julianna Breitkruez family who stayed behind in Volhynia in the 1920's. A son, August and a daughter, Rosalie along with her two children and two nieces (Braun) found their way to Saginaw, Michigan. August and wife (Valeria Helwig) in 1914 and Rosalie in 1923 to join her husband Julius Frank. The Breitkruez family lived near Dubno.

  Ron


From colnels at telus.net  Thu Jun 11 20:36:11 2009
From: colnels at telus.net (Nelson Itterman)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:36:11 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] On DNA testing - THE NEAR FUTURE
In-Reply-To: <d9691e7b0905071242l5a5be2efm5e31b9807c3943e9@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <001501c9eb0e$eeb0bf40$cc123dc0$@net>

This discussion  about THE NEAR FUTURE, I have been giving the subject of
DNA a lot of thought. No matter what you find out with DNA. It really does
nothing but give you an idea. Unless you have the "begats" and the marriage
certificates to tie you into an ancestor, you really have nothing of
genealogical value. With our ancestors coming mainly from Volhynia, where
the linkage is limited by the records we have it becomes a wild guess at the
best. I guess I may have another look at it. At 85 years of age, time is of
the essence.
Nelson

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Cris
Howe
Sent: May-07-09 1:43 PM
To: dabookk54 at yahoo.com
Cc: Otto; MIKE MCHENRY; GPV List
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] On DNA testing - THE NEAR FUTURE


Great discussion.    I certainly don't disagree with what Karl has said,
but.....I would encourage all the guys to do as detailed a test on their Y
chromosome as they can afford.   The potential is huge right now, and some
of us may not be here in ten years.   Also, the Y chromosome is very small,
and unlikely to reveal any health information.   Find a project trying to
connect men with the same surname, and consider signing up.

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Karl Krueger <dabookk54 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> All of this discussion on DNA testing is great. Maybe I'm opening a 
> new can of worms here but it is likely that in the next 10 years the 
> type of testing you do for genealogical purposes will become rather 
> obsolete. Technology continues to advance and they want to reach the 
> point where a complete genome sequence can be done for $1000 and have 
> the results in a matter of days or weeks. I only say this to let you 
> know what is coming down the road and when this happens this will 
> become the premiere method for doing genealogical testing. You will no 
> longer be limited to mitochondrial or Y-chromosome markers. Literally 
> any piece of DNA can be used to potentially link you to any other 
> person with whom you may have a common ancestor if you can find a
particular marker sequence to link to your line of interest.
>
> The National Cancer Institute is pushing forward to develop high 
> throughput genome  sequencing to study specific types of tumors. These 
> efforts are helping to pave the way to make this affordable for the 
> common person. Of course along with that you may find which diseases you
are vulnerable to.
>
> Karl
>
> -
>
>
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From otto at schienke.com  Fri Jun 12 04:15:06 2009
From: otto at schienke.com (Otto)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:15:06 -0400
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] On DNA testing - THE NEAR FUTURE
In-Reply-To: <001501c9eb0e$eeb0bf40$cc123dc0$@net>
References: <178E6540-07C2-4BF7-B023-C5F540AC9FC3@schienke.com>	<965842.20111.qm@web55305.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
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Good morning,
I just have a moment for now.

Gene-ology is about just that... Genes.
Our genetic lineage.
"Nationality" is about a circle drawn on a piece of land, an imaginary  
circle around an imaginary bundle of rights.
Our genes are the only reality.

Paper records are the indicator, a paper trail coming down to us  
through time.
They do not answer from where and with exactness from who.
I consider genetic testing a powerful tool like a compass, it points.
(this is dependent on the company doing the genetic testing)


I have all of my personal genome now, resultant from testing.
I was surprised at my paternal linage and doubly surprised at my  
maternal lineage.

I will expand on this for you this evening, right now the boat is  
waiting, I'm going fishing.



On Jun 11, 2009, at 11:36 PM, Nelson Itterman wrote:

> This discussion  about THE NEAR FUTURE, I have been giving the  
> subject of
> DNA a lot of thought. No matter what you find out with DNA. It  
> really does
> nothing but give you an idea. Unless you have the "begats" and the  
> marriage
> certificates to tie you into an ancestor, you really have nothing of
> genealogical value. With our ancestors coming mainly from Volhynia,  
> where
> the linkage is limited by the records we have it becomes a wild  
> guess at the
> best. I guess I may have another look at it. At 85 years of age,  
> time is of
> the essence.
> Nelson


. . .   Otto
        " The Zen moment..." wk. of January 04, 2009-
             ________________________________
               "The future. . . . always catches up."



From marlo50 at bex.net  Fri Jun 12 16:29:03 2009
From: marlo50 at bex.net (marlo)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:29:03 -0400
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Given name Robert
Message-ID: <31D76FFE2CF84C288A197DAE1555390E@margaret46066b>

I found the name Robert for a male cousin who was born probably in Pommern between 1868 and 1870.  Isn't that a strange name for a boy born in that area?  
Marlo
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From otto at schienke.com  Fri Jun 12 17:08:46 2009
From: otto at schienke.com (Otto)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:08:46 -0400
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Given name Robert
In-Reply-To: <31D76FFE2CF84C288A197DAE1555390E@margaret46066b>
References: <31D76FFE2CF84C288A197DAE1555390E@margaret46066b>
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I do not think so. . .
Robert
a male given name: from Germanic words meaning ?glory? and ?bright.?

Robert
masc. proper name, from O.N.Fr. form of O.H.G.(Old High German)  
Hrodberht, lit. "bright with glory," from hrod- "fame, glory" + -berht  
"bright."

Also, there were Scots in the area.


?noun example use of it
1.
(?Robert the Devil?
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) died 1035, duke of Normandy 1028?35 (father of William I of England).
2.
Also called Robert the Bruce, Robert Bruce. 1274?1329, king of  
Scotland 1306?29.

On Jun 12, 2009, at 7:29 PM, marlo wrote:

> I found the name Robert for a male cousin who was born probably in  
> Pommern between 1868 and 1870.  Isn't that a strange name for a boy  
> born in that area?
> Marlo



. . .   Otto
          " The Zen moment..." wk. of January 04, 2009-
               ________________________________
                 "The future. . . . always catches up."


From cmduff at redwing.net  Fri Jun 12 17:22:28 2009
From: cmduff at redwing.net (Carol Duff)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:22:28 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DNA
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1244833203.23830.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
References: <mailman.1.1244833203.23830.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID: <4A32F144.1030002@redwing.net>

I got DNA tested by getting the swab from my brother. I have this family 
back to the 1600's in Germany. But the DNA came back most prominent in 
Spain, France and England.  So now more mysteries. However, my Volhynia 
ancestry is on my mother's side. There is only one male that I know of, 
far away. And the next closest family members (Male) are in Canada. I 
wish there were more possibility for those who are female. About as 
close as I get there is Cleopatra and I don't know if I believe that.
>   


From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Fri Jun 12 19:38:38 2009
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:38:38 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Given name Robert
In-Reply-To: <31D76FFE2CF84C288A197DAE1555390E@margaret46066b>
References: <31D76FFE2CF84C288A197DAE1555390E@margaret46066b>
Message-ID: <4A33112E.302@shaw.ca>

Actually it is quite common.  Go to http://www.odessa3.org/search.html 
and in the first search box, type Robert and set it to search the St. 
Pete records.  You will find hundreds of them.  However, you'd probably 
never find it abbreviated as Bob.  :-)


Jerry Frank
Calgary, AB



marlo wrote:
> I found the name Robert for a male cousin who was born probably in Pommern between 1868 and 1870.  Isn't that a strange name for a boy born in that area?  
> Marlo
>   
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>


From otto at schienke.com  Fri Jun 12 22:05:21 2009
From: otto at schienke.com (Otto)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:05:21 -0400
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] On DNA testing - THE NEAR FUTURE
Message-ID: <EF175F40-1CCC-4756-921B-27F50A21A4CF@schienke.com>

I will keep this as simple as possible yet meaningful.

I did not know where to look. . .
I was faced with my surname and its "ie" diphthong.
I was faced with an alias surname also used in the past, "Stodulski."
The parents spoke Low German/High German, some Polish and Russian and  
of course English.

Who were my forefathers?
Where did they appear from in the 1500's?
Who am I?
After years of research I came to know many of my cousins.
All knew less than I did.


To begin, there are basically two types of genetic testing for  
genealogy.
1. STR's = short tandem repeats.
Defines haplotypes. Used in forensics to identify father, brother,  
uncle, cousin and so on.

2. SNP = single nucleotide polymorhism.
Defines haplogroups.  Haplogroups pertain to deep ancestral origins  
dating back thousands of years

Determine what type of information you are looking for before you test  
your DNA.

Look up the following 4 terms in Wikipedia.
==============
Haplotype
Haplogroup
SNP array
Genealogical DNA test
==============

Genetic testing. . . I knew less about it than some of you do so I  
began researching it and discovered it is a foundling industry with  
huge potential. I began talking it up and discovered I was not alone  
in my ignorance of the subject. I next approached a professor of  
molecular anthropology at Penn State recommended by my son. (the lab  
"chip" used in SNP information gathering is most important)

He recommended a broad-spectrum SNP test used by him and performed by https://www.23andme.com/
(a simple "spit into a test tube" and mail it in)
(it includes information from all chromosomes and the mitochondrial  
DNA information (50,000 snps)-it will take weeks to assimilate the  
information)

Here also is a research site recommended to me by my son Erich  http://dna-forums.org/index.php?act=idx

I, of course, immediately focused on the genealogy information portion  
of the test.

My personal haplogroup numbers for those wanting to compare:
(each character after R is a subgroup or subclade of the R haplogroup- 
the * indicates a subgroup to yet be identified)
Paternal Haplogroup:R1b1b2a1a1* (from the fringes of the North Sea- 
Frisian)
(originally R1b1c9-changed to a more universal set of numbers yesterday)
R1b1b2a1a1* is a subgroup of R1b1b2.

Yes, I can compare for relationship.

It pointed to the fringes of the North Sea-The Frisians.
I googled "Schienke Frisia"(Niedersachsen) and found many "Schienke"  
still there, dead and alive.
I found an out of copyright book (pub. 1802) in Google Books on  
genuine Frisian given and surnames.
"Schienke" was one of them. Next I began comparing relatives  
surnames... Wow! It was falling together for me.
http://books.google.com/books?id=eyISAAAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PA125&lpg=RA1-PA125&dq=schienke+frisian&source=bl&ots=d6n9SqID1q&sig=qvZRBG7TL_de5jKqiRR6YVo8qWk&hl=en&ei=1k_RSe39PNzslQfp96HqCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=6&ct=result#PRA1-PA125,M1

My mother's line of descent is difficult to obtain on paper to date...  
I've progressed no further in the paper trail than g. grandfather  
Langas and g. grandmother Karoline Hintz.

Below is my maternal haplogroup.

Maternal Haplogroup:H1*
(largest concentration 500 years ago in Norway, undoubtedly Frisian  
years distant)
(both haplogroups were from Doggerland 10,000 years ago-Wikipedia-  
Doggerland)
H1* is a subgroup of H1.

"Birds of a feather seem to flock together"
Now the rest is up to me.


. . .   Otto
          " The Zen moment..." wk. of January 04, 2009-
               ________________________________
                 "The future. . . . always catches up."



From Krampetz at aol.com  Fri Jun 12 22:43:13 2009
From: Krampetz at aol.com (Krampetz@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:43:13 EDT
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DNA
Message-ID: <bdd.50ec31b1.37649671@aol.com>

When I read that:
    "Humans share 99% of their genome with mice"
    &
     "..... we share 98% of our genes with non-human  primates). "
    &
    "The fruit fly, Drosophila melanogaster,  carries about 13,600 genes in 
its genome. About 70% of these genes are common to  all organisms (other 
than bacteria)."  
 
    I conclude that you are putting too great a faith in  statistics & 
probability..  
 
Bob
 
 
In a message dated 6/12/2009 5:20:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
cmduff at redwing.net writes:

I got  DNA tested by getting the swab from my brother. I have this family 
back to  the 1600's in Germany. But the DNA came back most prominent in 
Spain,  France and England.  So now more mysteries. However, my Volhynia  
ancestry is on my mother's side. There is only one male that I know of,  
far away. And the next closest family members (Male) are in Canada. I  
wish there were more possibility for those who are female. About as  
close as I get there is Cleopatra and I don't know if I believe  that.
>    

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From GHBoehm at ish.de  Sat Jun 13 08:16:16 2009
From: GHBoehm at ish.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=FCnther_B=F6hm?=)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:16:16 +0200
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Given name Robert
In-Reply-To: <31D76FFE2CF84C288A197DAE1555390E@margaret46066b>
References: <31D76FFE2CF84C288A197DAE1555390E@margaret46066b>
Message-ID: <4A33C2C0.4020402@ish.de>

marlo schrieb:
> I found the name Robert for a male cousin who was born probably in Pommern between 1868 and 1870.  Isn't that a strange name for a boy born in that area?  
> Marlo

Marlo,
most probably an unusual given name was taken from a famous person of 
the ruling class. Though Robert was indeed not unusual, there were 
several famous Roberts in Pomerania at that time:

    Baron Robert von MASSOW, * 1839 Pomerania, + 1927 Wiesbaden, was a
    Prussian general and president of the Inperial Military Court.
    Robert von PUTKAMER, * 1828 Frankfurt/Oder, + 1900 Karzin,
    Pomerania, was a Prussian politician (1879 to 1881 Prussian Minister
    of Culture).
    Graf Robert von der GOLTZ, * 1817, + 1869, was Prussian envoy in St.
    Petersburg from 1862 to 1869.

G?nther


From marlo50 at bex.net  Sat Jun 13 08:18:15 2009
From: marlo50 at bex.net (marlo)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 11:18:15 -0400
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Given name Robert
References: <31D76FFE2CF84C288A197DAE1555390E@margaret46066b>
	<4A33112E.302@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <71A19DD6226A42FDA3AEAD8F2C33ACF5@margaret46066b>

Your right Jerry, he was only called Robert, never even Rob.  Margaret


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Frank" <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
To: "marlo" <marlo50 at bex.net>
Cc: "Ger-Pol-Vol group" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Given name Robert


> Actually it is quite common.  Go to http://www.odessa3.org/search.html
> and in the first search box, type Robert and set it to search the St.
> Pete records.  You will find hundreds of them.  However, you'd probably
> never find it abbreviated as Bob.  :-)
>
>
> Jerry Frank
> Calgary, AB
>
>
>
> marlo wrote:
>> I found the name Robert for a male cousin who was born probably in 
>> Pommern between 1868 and 1870.  Isn't that a strange name for a boy born 
>> in that area?
>> Marlo
>>
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>>


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From PnSWork at aol.com  Sat Jun 13 12:55:13 2009
From: PnSWork at aol.com (PnSWork@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:55:13 EDT
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Sending money to Poland
Message-ID: <be4.57e22b1b.37655e21@aol.com>

A few months ago, someone posted a reply to a message recommending a  
service that would send a debit card to a recipient in Europe.  I now need  to 
send some money to a contact in Poland, but sadly, I have lost that  reference 
to the website that performed this service.  I tried to check the  mailing 
list archives, but I couldn't find the note because it was a reply,  and it 
doesn't seem like we can search anything more than the subjects, dates or  
submitters.
 
Thanks very much for any assistance anyone can provide.
 
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From joepessarra at suddenlink.net  Sat Jun 13 13:48:04 2009
From: joepessarra at suddenlink.net (Joseph Pessarra)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:48:04 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Sending money to Poland
In-Reply-To: <be4.57e22b1b.37655e21@aol.com>
References: <be4.57e22b1b.37655e21@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000901c9ec68$3fb5e910$bf21bb30$@net>



-----Original Message-----
From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of
PnSWork at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 2:55 PM
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Sending money to Poland

A few months ago, someone posted a reply to a message recommending a  
service that would send a debit card to a recipient in Europe.  I now need
to 
send some money to a contact in Poland, but sadly, I have lost that
reference 
to the website that performed this service.  I tried to check the  mailing 
list archives, but I couldn't find the note because it was a reply,  and it 
doesn't seem like we can search anything more than the subjects, dates or  
submitters.
 
Thanks very much for any assistance anyone can provide.
 
    -Paul
============================================================================
===============================
Here is one site (without recommendation, have not used).

https://www.ikobo.com/europe/money-transfer-poland.html

Joe in Georgetown, Texas



From Krampetz at aol.com  Sat Jun 13 15:13:30 2009
From: Krampetz at aol.com (Krampetz@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:13:30 EDT
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Sending money to Poland
Message-ID: <cc7.5640c09d.37657e8a@aol.com>

Google -- use Advanced Search.
     enter your keywords  (i.e. debit  card)
     enter the website to search (i.e. 
_http://eclipse.sggee.org/pipermail/ger-poland-volhynia/_ 
(http://eclipse.sggee.org/pipermail/ger-poland-volhynia/) )
      and you aren't restricted to 'subjects,  dates or submitters'.
      It searches every  word..     If you want the words to be a phrase
      (not scattered anywhere on a  page),  put them in quotes.
 
     Using above (assuming you meant this mailing  list)
     I got: 
_http://eclipse.sggee.org/pipermail/ger-poland-volhynia/2004-July/002930.html_ 
(http://eclipse.sggee.org/pipermail/ger-poland-volhynia/2004-July/002930.html)  
---------------------------------------------------------------------
      This may work for private  situations but a word of caution when 
dealing 
with the Archives.

They  apparently will ONLY accept payment through their bank based on the 
terms  they stipulate by way of money transfer.  Other methods will only 
delay  the process as they return it to you for resubmittal,  etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
 
      But using Google and:   Debit card  money to europe
  I get over 10 million hits!! 
 
       Enjoy
Bob K.
 
 
In a message dated 6/13/2009 12:58:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
PnSWork at aol.com writes:

A few  months ago, someone posted a reply to a message recommending a   
service that would send a debit card to a recipient in Europe.  I now  need 
 to 
send some money to a contact in Poland, but sadly, I have  lost that  
reference 
to the website that performed this  service.  I tried to check the  mailing 
list archives, but I  couldn't find the note because it was a reply,  and 
it 
doesn't seem  like we can search anything more than the subjects, dates or  
 
submitters.

Thanks very much for any assistance anyone can  provide.

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From RSchrul at aol.com  Sun Jun 14 23:47:12 2009
From: RSchrul at aol.com (RSchrul@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 02:47:12 EDT
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Location of the farms in the district Rypin /
	Rippin, cemetery map Michalki
Message-ID: <d32.57a9a4fe.37674870@aol.com>

 
Dear  list members, 
to the  lives of our ancestors to be documented better, and I want some 
colleagues in  Germany and Poland in the circle Rypin customize maps of places 
in which German  settlers lived. For this reason we are looking for people 
who become aware of  the location of the farmsteads have. 
I want  to Grzemby / Gemberg the home of my ancestors start and especially 
the former  neighbor of my grandfather's manifest. Accurate maps and 
reliable on-line  facilities are available and form the foundation of our 
aspirations. 
>From  the village Stawiska / Wieske are already a variety of evidence. 
Furthermore we want the transformation of the Protestant cemetery of  
Michalki in a memorial address. We would very much like a plan to create the  
cemetery. If anyone knows people who have knowledge of the situation of grave  
bodies, I ask for communication. 
You can also me  personally rschrul at aol.com write about when you go through 
the mailing list does  not want.Sincerely  Reinhard Schrul


From marlo50 at bex.net  Mon Jun 15 13:54:54 2009
From: marlo50 at bex.net (marlo)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:54:54 -0400
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] ships lists
Message-ID: <4A36C43D4CE646D38E3E1FA7331D6B2C@margaret46066b>

Where can I find a list of ships that landed at Castle Garden in the year 1872?  It seems to me when I started my research there was a site that listed ships by years, does any one remember?
I would appreciate any information.
Margaret
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From Spaghettitree at aol.com  Mon Jun 15 14:57:44 2009
From: Spaghettitree at aol.com (Spaghettitree@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:57:44 EDT
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] ships lists
Message-ID: <bb9.468c78cd.37681dd8@aol.com>

Go to _http://www.castlegarden.org/_ (http://www.castlegarden.org/)   
 
Maureen
 
 
In a message dated 6/15/2009 2:27:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
marlo50 at bex.net writes:

Where  can I find a list of ships that landed at Castle Garden in the year  
1872?  It seems to me when I started my research there was a site that  
listed ships by years, does any one remember?
I would appreciate any  information.
Margaret


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From RSchrul at aol.com  Mon Jun 15 08:15:25 2009
From: RSchrul at aol.com (RSchrul@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:15:25 EDT
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Seeking descendants of Jahnke, Manke,
	Hinkelmann
Message-ID: <be3.46895635.3767bf8d@aol.com>

 
Dear  list members,  
My  name is Reinhard Schrul and I live in Germany. I am researching for 
several  years after our German ancestors, which since about 1720 in Poland in 
the circle  Rypin / Rippin lived. A part of the family is sadly missing. 
They immigrated  1904 or 1906 in the USA. There are the children of my 
great-grandfather Karl  Julius Jahnke (Generation 1).  
Hermann + Heinrich  Jahnke, Ernestine Manke and Adele Hinkelmann 
(Generation 2) lived in Hartford,  CT. Their  descendants have left Hartford, and are 
scattered in all  winds.  
Can  anyone help with my search?  
Thank  you and warm greetings from Germany  
Reinhard  Schrul
G  
Name  
Married  
Birth  Date    
Birth  Place    
Death  Date    
Death  Place     
1  
Karl Julius  Jahnke  
Louise  Schrul  
2 Aug  1857    
Wojtostwo    
1920   
2  
Hermann Paul  Jahnke  
Helene  ???  
17 Oct  1883    
Wojtostwo    
23 May  1969    
Hartford, CT    
3  
William  Jahnke   
1 Jun  1909    
Hartford, CT    
1 Apr  1999    
Hartford, CT    
3  
Hedwig H  Jahnke   
1916    
Hartford, CT   
3  
Bernhardt ?  Jahnke   
1919    
Hartford, CT   
3  
Dania M ?  Jahnke   
1921    
Hartford, CT   
2  
Heinrich  Jahnke  
Auguste  ???  
24 May  1885    
Wojtostwo    
23 Feb  1960    
Hartford, CT    
3  
Alice  Jahnke   
1912    
Hartford, CT   
3  
Lydia  Jahnke   
1914   
3  
Walter  Jahnke   
1915   
3  
Marie  Jahnke   
29 Jul  1917    
26 May  1997    
Hartford, CT    
2  
Ernestine  Jahnke  
Adolph August  Manke  
21 Nov  1888    
Wojtostwo    
24 Jan  1981    
Hartford, CT    
3  
Louise  Mahnke   
1909    
Hartford, CT   
3  
Emma  Manke   
1911    
Hartford, CT   
3  
Marta  Manke   
1914    
Hartford, CT   
3  
George A  Manke   
1917    
Hartford, CT   
2  
Adele  Jahnke  
Carl Ernst  Hinklemann  
30 Oct  1890    
Wojtostwo    
26 Dec  1986    
Hartford, CT    
3  
Margaret  Hinklemann  
Georg  Miller  
1910    
Hartford, CT   
4  
Carol  Hinklemann   

4  
Lawrence  Hinklemann   

3  
Amanda  Hinklemann  
Cliff  Hills  
15 Oct  1912    
Hartford, CT    
13 May  2004    
Hartford, CT    
4  
Christian  Hills  
???  ???  

4  
Cora  Hills   

3  
Dorothy  Hinklemann  
Norman  Rausch  
1917    
Hartford, CT   
3  
Ruth  Hinklemann  
Carl  Ackermann  
1920    
Hartford, CT   


From vernahutch at gmail.com  Tue Jun 16 16:22:09 2009
From: vernahutch at gmail.com (Verna Hutchinson)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:22:09 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 73,
	Issue 13
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1245178804.15726.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
References: <mailman.1.1245178804.15726.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID: <91bc0b470906161622y65847aa2q16e5ba3395ff6ef9@mail.gmail.com>

I have Janke's(Jahnke) from Lutzk, Volhynia in my line
My Grandmother was Emma Janke/Kuhl born 1887 --came to Canada 1907
One of her brother's was Julius Janke---  came to Canada 1913
She had a brother August Janke who lived in Alexandria,Volhynia
His mother Julianna Janke,lived with him. Her maiden name was Krueger(Kreiger)
I've been trying to find out more on this Janke family for some time.

Good luck in your search,  Sincerely,
Verna Kuhl/Hutchinson
Canada





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> Go to _http://www.castlegarden.org/_ (http://www.castlegarden.org/)
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> Maureen
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> In a message dated 6/15/2009 2:27:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> marlo50 at bex.net writes:
>
> Where ?can I find a list of ships that landed at Castle Garden in the year
> 1872? ?It seems to me when I started my research there was a site that
> listed ships by years, does any one remember?
> I would appreciate any ?information.
> Margaret
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> Dear ?list members,
> My ?name is Reinhard Schrul and I live in Germany. I am researching for
> several ?years after our German ancestors, which since about 1720 in Poland in
> the circle ?Rypin / Rippin lived. A part of the family is sadly missing.
> They immigrated ?1904 or 1906 in the USA. There are the children of my
> great-grandfather Karl ?Julius Jahnke (Generation 1).
> Hermann + Heinrich ?Jahnke, Ernestine Manke and Adele Hinkelmann
> (Generation 2) lived in Hartford, ?CT. Their ?descendants have left Hartford, and are
> scattered in all ?winds.
> Can ?anyone help with my search?
> Thank ?you and warm greetings from Germany
> Reinhard ?Schrul
> G
> Name
> Married
> Birth ?Date
> Birth ?Place
> Death ?Date
> Death ?Place
> 1
> Karl Julius ?Jahnke
> Louise ?Schrul
> 2 Aug ?1857
> Wojtostwo
> 1920
> 2
> Hermann Paul ?Jahnke
> Helene ????
> 17 Oct ?1883
> Wojtostwo
> 23 May ?1969
> Hartford, CT
> 3
> William ?Jahnke
> 1 Jun ?1909
> Hartford, CT
> 1 Apr ?1999
> Hartford, CT
> 3
> Hedwig H ?Jahnke
> 1916
> Hartford, CT
> 3
> Bernhardt ? ?Jahnke
> 1919
> Hartford, CT
> 3
> Dania M ? ?Jahnke
> 1921
> Hartford, CT
> 2
> Heinrich ?Jahnke
> Auguste ????
> 24 May ?1885
> Wojtostwo
> 23 Feb ?1960
> Hartford, CT
> 3
> Alice ?Jahnke
> 1912
> Hartford, CT
> 3
> Lydia ?Jahnke
> 1914
> 3
> Walter ?Jahnke
> 1915
> 3
> Marie ?Jahnke
> 29 Jul ?1917
> 26 May ?1997
> Hartford, CT
> 2
> Ernestine ?Jahnke
> Adolph August ?Manke
> 21 Nov ?1888
> Wojtostwo
> 24 Jan ?1981
> Hartford, CT
> 3
> Louise ?Mahnke
> 1909
> Hartford, CT
> 3
> Emma ?Manke
> 1911
> Hartford, CT
> 3
> Marta ?Manke
> 1914
> Hartford, CT
> 3
> George A ?Manke
> 1917
> Hartford, CT
> 2
> Adele ?Jahnke
> Carl Ernst ?Hinklemann
> 30 Oct ?1890
> Wojtostwo
> 26 Dec ?1986
> Hartford, CT
> 3
> Margaret ?Hinklemann
> Georg ?Miller
> 1910
> Hartford, CT
> 4
> Carol ?Hinklemann
>
> 4
> Lawrence ?Hinklemann
>
> 3
> Amanda ?Hinklemann
> Cliff ?Hills
> 15 Oct ?1912
> Hartford, CT
> 13 May ?2004
> Hartford, CT
> 4
> Christian ?Hills
> ??? ????
>
> 4
> Cora ?Hills
>
> 3
> Dorothy ?Hinklemann
> Norman ?Rausch
> 1917
> Hartford, CT
> 3
> Ruth ?Hinklemann
> Carl ?Ackermann
> 1920
> Hartford, CT
>
>
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From remus at hawaii.edu  Tue Jun 16 17:12:03 2009
From: remus at hawaii.edu (William Remus)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:12:03 -1000
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Archives in Milwaukee area?
Message-ID: <fb8e979825451.4a37a833@hawaii.edu>

I will be attending the SGGEE/FEEFHS convention in Milwaukee the last weekend of July. I have had various Volhynia and Prussian Poland relatives live in the area and wondered if there were any archives or local genealogical information sources in the Milwaukee area? Also I am not sure if there was any church that particularly was associated with folks from Vohnlynia in the area. Any help would be appreciated.
Regards Bill Remus
Family Names include Remus, Hoffmann, Lehmann, Spitzer, Radke, Frohlich (Wesselowski), Minge, Krassin, Kurtz

********************************************************************
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Emeritus Professor of Information Technology Management
2404 Maile Way, Honolulu, Hawaii, USA 96822
Telephone: 808-956-7608?? Fax: 808-956-9889
For Information about Bill Remus, go to his website http://remus.shidler.hawaii.edu/
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From mackzie at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 16 17:48:54 2009
From: mackzie at earthlink.net (Beth Burke)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:48:54 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Archives in Milwaukee area?
In-Reply-To: <fb8e979825451.4a37a833@hawaii.edu>
References: <fb8e979825451.4a37a833@hawaii.edu>
Message-ID: <001c01c9eee5$65abd010$31037030$@net>

Here is information about the archives located at UWM (University of
Wisconsin - Milwaukee)

http://www.uwm.edu/Library/arch/genie.htm

Beth Burke




From benovich at imt.net  Tue Jun 16 20:05:06 2009
From: benovich at imt.net (Richard Benert)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:05:06 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Archives in Milwaukee area?
References: <fb8e979825451.4a37a833@hawaii.edu>
Message-ID: <006a01c9eef8$6b835900$0500a8c0@richard01>

Bill and all,

Indeed there were Volhynian people in Milwaukee in the early 20th century. 
Some of them, from the Deblitz, Freigang and Roller families, are pictured 
in my article on Volhynian Germans in St. Paul in the June, 2008, Journal. 
I have no idea who in these families (or others?) still live in the area, 
except for one--that is Alice (Deblitz) Baumbach, now about 100 years old. 
She was my major source of information about the village of Solodyri where 
she and my father were neighbors.  It would be wonderful if she could 
somehow get to the convention and be recognized.  I'll have to check into 
this and find out if she would be willing and able to be there.  You asked 
about a church.  I do not know the name of the church these people attended, 
but it was surely a German Baptist church.  If I can find out anything more, 
I'll post it.

Dick B.
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:12 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Archives in Milwaukee area?


I will be attending the SGGEE/FEEFHS convention in Milwaukee the last 
weekend of July. I have had various Volhynia and Prussian Poland relatives 
live in the area and wondered if there were any archives or local 
genealogical information sources in the Milwaukee area? Also I am not sure 
if there was any church that particularly was associated with folks from 
Vohnlynia in the area. Any help would be appreciated.
Regards Bill Remus
Family Names include Remus, Hoffmann, Lehmann, Spitzer, Radke, Frohlich 
(Wesselowski), Minge, Krassin, Kurtz

********************************************************************
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Emeritus Professor of Information Technology Management
2404 Maile Way, Honolulu, Hawaii, USA 96822
Telephone: 808-956-7608 Fax: 808-956-9889
For Information about Bill Remus, go to his website 
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From sgrossmeyer at wi.rr.com  Wed Jun 17 14:43:43 2009
From: sgrossmeyer at wi.rr.com (steve)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:43:43 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Archives in Milwaukee area?
References: <fb8e979825451.4a37a833@hawaii.edu>
	<006a01c9eef8$6b835900$0500a8c0@richard01>
Message-ID: <001601c9ef94$b00fe600$0500a8c0@grost>

Also in Milwaukee were Kleins
Edward Klein / Julia Muenzer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Benert" <benovich at imt.net>
To: <remus at hawaii.edu>; <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Archives in Milwaukee area?


> Bill and all,
>
> Indeed there were Volhynian people in Milwaukee in the early 20th century.
> Some of them, from the Deblitz, Freigang and Roller families, are pictured
> in my article on Volhynian Germans in St. Paul in the June, 2008, Journal.
> I have no idea who in these families (or others?) still live in the area,
> except for one--that is Alice (Deblitz) Baumbach, now about 100 years old.
> She was my major source of information about the village of Solodyri where
> she and my father were neighbors.  It would be wonderful if she could
> somehow get to the convention and be recognized.  I'll have to check into
> this and find out if she would be willing and able to be there.  You asked
> about a church.  I do not know the name of the church these people
attended,
> but it was surely a German Baptist church.  If I can find out anything
more,
> I'll post it.
>
> Dick B.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Remus" <remus at hawaii.edu>
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:12 PM
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Archives in Milwaukee area?
>
>
> I will be attending the SGGEE/FEEFHS convention in Milwaukee the last
> weekend of July. I have had various Volhynia and Prussian Poland relatives
> live in the area and wondered if there were any archives or local
> genealogical information sources in the Milwaukee area? Also I am not sure
> if there was any church that particularly was associated with folks from
> Vohnlynia in the area. Any help would be appreciated.
> Regards Bill Remus
> Family Names include Remus, Hoffmann, Lehmann, Spitzer, Radke, Frohlich
> (Wesselowski), Minge, Krassin, Kurtz
>
> ********************************************************************
> William Remus
> Emeritus Professor of Information Technology Management
> 2404 Maile Way, Honolulu, Hawaii, USA 96822
> Telephone: 808-956-7608 Fax: 808-956-9889
> For Information about Bill Remus, go to his website
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From gary at warnerengineering.com  Wed Jun 17 15:43:09 2009
From: gary at warnerengineering.com (Gary Warner)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:43:09 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Seeking descendants of Jahnke, Manke,
	Hinkelmann
In-Reply-To: <be3.46895635.3767bf8d@aol.com>
References: <be3.46895635.3767bf8d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4A39717D.3060407@warnerengineering.com>

Reinhard,

I am not sure what you are asking, since you  seem to have data on at 
least some of the family as late as 2004.   The Manke and Hinkleman 
families seem quite easy to find in the 1920 and 1930 USA censuses, and 
also the deaths of Ernestine (in 1981) and Adele (in 1986) in the 
Connecticut death indexes.    Have you looked for obituaries in the 
towns where they died?  Have you done a search of male children of the 
correct name in an electronic telephone directory to see whom you can find?

Gary Warner
Gig Harbor, Washington

RSchrul at aol.com wrote:
>  
> Dear  list members,  
> My  name is Reinhard Schrul and I live in Germany. I am researching for 
> several  years after our German ancestors, which since about 1720 in Poland in 
> the circle  Rypin / Rippin lived. A part of the family is sadly missing. 
> They immigrated  1904 or 1906 in the USA. There are the children of my 
> great-grandfather Karl  Julius Jahnke (Generation 1).  
> Hermann + Heinrich  Jahnke, Ernestine Manke and Adele Hinkelmann 
> (Generation 2) lived in Hartford,  CT. Their  descendants have left Hartford, and are 
> scattered in all  winds.  
> Can  anyone help with my search?  
> Thank  you and warm greetings from Germany  
> Reinhard  Schrul
> G  
> Name  
> Married  
> Birth  Date    
> Birth  Place    
> Death  Date    
> Death  Place     
> 1  
> Karl Julius  Jahnke  
> Louise  Schrul  
> 2 Aug  1857    
> Wojtostwo    
> 1920   
> 2  
> Hermann Paul  Jahnke  
> Helene  ???  
> 17 Oct  1883    
> Wojtostwo    
> 23 May  1969    
> Hartford, CT    
> 3  
> William  Jahnke   
> 1 Jun  1909    
> Hartford, CT    
> 1 Apr  1999    
> Hartford, CT    
> 3  
> Hedwig H  Jahnke   
> 1916    
> Hartford, CT   
> 3  
> Bernhardt ?  Jahnke   
> 1919    
> Hartford, CT   
> 3  
> Dania M ?  Jahnke   
> 1921    
> Hartford, CT   
> 2  
> Heinrich  Jahnke  
> Auguste  ???  
> 24 May  1885    
> Wojtostwo    
> 23 Feb  1960    
> Hartford, CT    
> 3  
> Alice  Jahnke   
> 1912    
> Hartford, CT   
> 3  
> Lydia  Jahnke   
> 1914   
> 3  
> Walter  Jahnke   
> 1915   
> 3  
> Marie  Jahnke   
> 29 Jul  1917    
> 26 May  1997    
> Hartford, CT    
> 2  
> Ernestine  Jahnke  
> Adolph August  Manke  
> 21 Nov  1888    
> Wojtostwo    
> 24 Jan  1981    
> Hartford, CT    
> 3  
> Louise  Mahnke   
> 1909    
> Hartford, CT   
> 3  
> Emma  Manke   
> 1911    
> Hartford, CT   
> 3  
> Marta  Manke   
> 1914    
> Hartford, CT   
> 3  
> George A  Manke   
> 1917    
> Hartford, CT   
> 2  
> Adele  Jahnke  
> Carl Ernst  Hinklemann  
> 30 Oct  1890    
> Wojtostwo    
> 26 Dec  1986    
> Hartford, CT    
> 3  
> Margaret  Hinklemann  
> Georg  Miller  
> 1910    
> Hartford, CT   
> 4  
> Carol  Hinklemann   
>
> 4  
> Lawrence  Hinklemann   
>
> 3  
> Amanda  Hinklemann  
> Cliff  Hills  
> 15 Oct  1912    
> Hartford, CT    
> 13 May  2004    
> Hartford, CT    
> 4  
> Christian  Hills  
> ???  ???  
>
> 4  
> Cora  Hills   
>
> 3  
> Dorothy  Hinklemann  
> Norman  Rausch  
> 1917    
> Hartford, CT   
> 3  
> Ruth  Hinklemann  
> Carl  Ackermann  
> 1920    
> Hartford, CT   
>
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From nancygertner at mac.com  Thu Jun 18 06:39:53 2009
From: nancygertner at mac.com (Nancy Gertner)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:39:53 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Archives in Milwaukee area? Historical
 Society, Trinity Lutheran Church
In-Reply-To: <fb8e979825451.4a37a833@hawaii.edu>
References: <fb8e979825451.4a37a833@hawaii.edu>
Message-ID: <7EF483A0-C8FA-43AC-9071-80ED406FAF97@mac.com>

My grandmother that immigrated from Germany lived in Milwaukee with  
her parents from about 1891 - 1900.

I visited Milwaukee in 2000 to do a 'Family History Visit' with my  
husband.  We did a visit to the Milwaukee Historical Society, which  
is a museum in an old bank building.

They have some archive data, and in their file box, I was able to  
find data on grandma's older brothers.

I believe it related to when they applied for naturalization, and may  
have included data on their address in Milwaukee.

My ancestral family came from Prussia, and they attended St. Mattheus  
Lutheran Church in Milwaukee.  Grandma's Confirmation Certificate was  
in German.   This church is no longer, so on Sunday we attended  
Trinity Lutheran Church, which is an old congregation.

Nancy in Minnesota

Aloha!


On Jun 16, 2009, at 7:12 PM, William Remus wrote:

> I will be attending the SGGEE/FEEFHS convention in Milwaukee the  
> last weekend of July. I have had various Volhynia and Prussian  
> Poland relatives live in the area and wondered if there were any  
> archives or local genealogical information sources in the Milwaukee  
> area? Also I am not sure if there was any church that particularly  
> was associated with folks from Vohnlynia in the area. Any help  
> would be appreciated.
> Regards Bill Remus
> Family Names include Remus, Hoffmann, Lehmann, Spitzer, Radke,  
> Frohlich (Wesselowski), Minge, Krassin, Kurtz
>
>


From marana at tds.net  Thu Jun 18 23:11:52 2009
From: marana at tds.net (Sandie)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 01:11:52 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Archives in Milwaukee area? Historical
 Society, Trinity Lutheran Church
In-Reply-To: <7EF483A0-C8FA-43AC-9071-80ED406FAF97@mac.com>
References: <fb8e979825451.4a37a833@hawaii.edu>
	<7EF483A0-C8FA-43AC-9071-80ED406FAF97@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A3B2C28.7080801@tds.net>

I live near Madison, Wisconsin.
The website for the state library and archives is as follows:
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/libraryarchives/
It might be wise to contact them regarding what is available in 
Milwaukee. You can click on the right side for area research centers. 
Then click on Milwaukee. I know of the Golda Meir library there.
You can contact them at: http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/feedback.asp?id=339
On the main historical website, the first one above, you can access the 
vital records that are available for the entire state of Wisconsin up 
through October of 1907. These include the births, marriages and deaths 
that were recorded for each county. Also, any biographical articles 
about a person.
Also on that website you can search the holdings of the state library 
and archives.

Relevance:    
Author:     University of Wisconsin--Milwaukee. Area Research Center.
Title:     Checklist of archives and manuscripts holdings in the 
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Area Research Center.
  
      
Publisher:     [Madison : State Historical Society of Wisconsin], 1967.
Description:     36 leaves ; 28 cm.
Notes:     "Holdings include records and papers of individuals, 
businesses, churches, and institutions in the southeastern Wisconsin 
region."
    Caption title.
    Includes index.
    At head of title: State Historical Society of Wisconsin.
OCLC:     (OCoLC)10860237
Subjects:     Milwaukee Area Research Center --Catalogs.
    Manuscripts --Wisconsin --Milwaukee --Catalogs.
    Wisconsin --History --Sources --Bibliography --Catalogs.
Other:     State Historical Society of Wisconsin.
Permalink:     
http://madcat.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?BBID=2698680
   
Location:     Historical Society Library Pamphlet Collection
    Where is this Location?
Catalog:     UW Madison
Call Number:     92- 4510

Newspaper articles that are on-line.
I cannot read the following website because it is in German but refers 
to a Lutheran church:
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=1&id=9993&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=1&id=9995&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=1&id=9983&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=1&id=9985&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=1&id=9978&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee

This one is about Trinity Evangelical Lutheran Church in Milwaukee being 
70 years old in 1917. Founded in 1847, Missouri synod. In English.
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=1&id=9952&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee

On German, pertains to Lutheran churches: St. Johannes
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=1&id=9988&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee

Kirchweihfest in Ebenezer
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=2&id=9980&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee

St. Paul's
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=3&id=9999&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee

http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=2&id=9973&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=2&id=9931&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=2&id=10019&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=2&id=10019&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=2&id=10019&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee

These are just some of the newspapers. As I kept going through them the 
dates were going upward. I hope someone can read the German newspaper 
articles and I have been of some assistance.

Milwaukee County information:
http://www.linkstothepast.com/milwaukee/index.php

A Johannes Remeeus is in the city directory for Milwaukee for 1858.
Kurtz in 1858 are Simon spelled Kurts; Kurtz are Christian F., 
Ferdinand, Gabriel, George and Christin who has added an E to the end. A 
George Kurz.
Hoffman's are Carl, Charles, Charles, E.A., Edward, Frederic, Frederick, 
Frederick, F., Francis, H.C., Jacob, Martin, P.H., August, Charles, 
Christian, Edward,  Frederick, H.C., Henry,  Jacob, Nicholas, John, 
Lorenz, Louis, Peter, Robert, William, some spelled with two nn's at the 
end.
Lehman(n) Elizabeth, Charles, Frederick
Froelich, Heinrich, Henry and Joseph
Sandie in Wisconsin


Nancy Gertner wrote:
> My grandmother that immigrated from Germany lived in Milwaukee with  
> her parents from about 1891 - 1900.
>
> I visited Milwaukee in 2000 to do a 'Family History Visit' with my  
> husband.  We did a visit to the Milwaukee Historical Society, which  
> is a museum in an old bank building.
>
> They have some archive data, and in their file box, I was able to  
> find data on grandma's older brothers.
>
> I believe it related to when they applied for naturalization, and may  
> have included data on their address in Milwaukee.
>
> My ancestral family came from Prussia, and they attended St. Mattheus  
> Lutheran Church in Milwaukee.  Grandma's Confirmation Certificate was  
> in German.   This church is no longer, so on Sunday we attended  
> Trinity Lutheran Church, which is an old congregation.
>
> Nancy in Minnesota
>
> Aloha!
>
>
> On Jun 16, 2009, at 7:12 PM, William Remus wrote:
>
>   
>> I will be attending the SGGEE/FEEFHS convention in Milwaukee the  
>> last weekend of July. I have had various Volhynia and Prussian  
>> Poland relatives live in the area and wondered if there were any  
>> archives or local genealogical information sources in the Milwaukee  
>> area? Also I am not sure if there was any church that particularly  
>> was associated with folks from Vohnlynia in the area. Any help  
>> would be appreciated.
>> Regards Bill Remus
>> Family Names include Remus, Hoffmann, Lehmann, Spitzer, Radke,  
>> Frohlich (Wesselowski), Minge, Krassin, Kurtz
>>
>>
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
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From karlann at juno.com  Fri Jun 19 07:42:29 2009
From: karlann at juno.com (karlann@juno.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:42:29 GMT
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Archives in the Milwaukee Area?
Message-ID: <20090619.074229.17631.1@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>

In Wisconsin, marriage records between 1907 and the late 1970's are not in any public online index, so must be researched at the county courthouse where the marriage took place. This is also true for deaths and births since 1907. For these vital records as well as for wills and property ownership records, the county courthouse would be the archives location to seek, if you know which county your family lived in when the event took place. The counties in southeastern Wisconsin are small--within a 50 mile radius of Milwaukee you might need to research as many as 7 different counties (Waukesha, Racine, Kenosha, Walworth, etc.) or more distant areas of the state, depending on where your family lived.

Naturalization records for Wisconsin have been archived at the University of Wisconsin libraries at numerous locations, including Madison, Milwaukee, and the Parkside campus in Kenosha County. 

It would be worth contacting these places ahead of time to learn what holdings they contain and their hours and rules of access. A few hours in such archives might prove very fruitful, but you may also have to wait several weeks to get results from microfilm that may be housed off site, particularly for a large archive like the Milwaukee County Courthouse. The records in the courthouses are indexed on site, and if you provide the clerks with the records you find  in the indexes, you can make a request for the information to be sent to you later if your time in Milwaukee is limited.

Karla Walters

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From marana at tds.net  Fri Jun 19 14:57:21 2009
From: marana at tds.net (Sandie)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:57:21 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Milwaukee archives etc.
Message-ID: <4A3C09C1.70308@tds.net>

I live near Madison, Wisconsin.
The website for the state library and archives is as follows:
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/libraryarchives/
It might be wise to contact them regarding what is available in 
Milwaukee. You can click on the right side for area research centers. 
Then click on Milwaukee. I know of the Golda Meir library there.
You can contact them at: 
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/feedback.asp?id=339
On the main historical website, the first one above, you can access the 
vital records that are available for the entire state of Wisconsin up 
through October of 1907. These include the births, marriages and deaths 
that were recorded for each county. Also, any biographical articles 
about a person.
Also on that website you can search the holdings of the state library 
and archives.

Relevance:    Author:     University of Wisconsin--Milwaukee. Area 
Research Center.
Title:     Checklist of archives and manuscripts holdings in the 
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Area Research Center.
 
     Publisher:     [Madison : State Historical Society of Wisconsin], 
1967.
Description:     36 leaves ; 28 cm.
Notes:     "Holdings include records and papers of individuals, 
businesses, churches, and institutions in the southeastern Wisconsin 
region."
   Caption title.
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Subjects:     Milwaukee Area Research Center --Catalogs.
   Manuscripts --Wisconsin --Milwaukee --Catalogs.
   Wisconsin --History --Sources --Bibliography --Catalogs.
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Newspaper articles that are on-line.
I cannot read the following website because it is in German but refers 
to a Lutheran church:
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=1&id=9993&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee 

http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=1&id=9995&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee 

http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=1&id=9983&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee 

http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=1&id=9985&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee 

http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=1&id=9978&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee 


This one is about Trinity Evangelical Lutheran Church in Milwaukee being 
70 years old in 1917. Founded in 1847, Missouri synod. In English.
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=1&id=9952&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee 


On German, pertains to Lutheran churches: St. Johannes
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=1&id=9988&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee 


Kirchweihfest in Ebenezer
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=2&id=9980&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee 


St. Paul's
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=3&id=9999&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee 


http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=2&id=9973&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee 

http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=2&id=9931&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee 

http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=2&id=10019&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee 

http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=2&id=10019&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee 

http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/wlhba/articleView.asp?pg=2&id=10019&key=Church&cy=Milwaukee 


These are just some of the newspapers. As I kept going through them the 
dates were going upward. I hope someone can read the German newspaper 
articles and I have been of some assistance.

Milwaukee County information:
http://www.linkstothepast.com/milwaukee/index.php

A Johannes Remeeus is in the city directory for Milwaukee for 1858.
Kurtz in 1858 are Simon spelled Kurts; Kurtz are Christian F., 
Ferdinand, Gabriel, George and Christin who has added an E to the end. A 
George Kurz.
Hoffman's are Carl, Charles, Charles, E.A., Edward, Frederic, Frederick, 
Frederick, F., Francis, H.C., Jacob, Martin, P.H., August, Charles, 
Christian, Edward,  Frederick, H.C., Henry,  Jacob, Nicholas, John, 
Lorenz, Louis, Peter, Robert, William, some spelled with two nn's at the 
end.
Lehman(n) Elizabeth, Charles, Frederick
Froelich, Heinrich, Henry and Joseph
Sandie in Wisconsin


Nancy Gertner wrote:
My grandmother that immigrated from Germany lived in Milwaukee with  her 
parents from about 1891 - 1900.

I visited Milwaukee in 2000 to do a 'Family History Visit' with my  
husband.  We did a visit to the Milwaukee Historical Society, which  is 
a museum in an old bank building.

They have some archive data, and in their file box, I was able to  find 
data on grandma's older brothers.

I believe it related to when they applied for naturalization, and may  
have included data on their address in Milwaukee.

My ancestral family came from Prussia, and they attended St. Mattheus  
Lutheran Church in Milwaukee.  Grandma's Confirmation Certificate was  
in German.   This church is no longer, so on Sunday we attended  Trinity 
Lutheran Church, which is an old congregation.

Nancy in Minnesota

Aloha!


On Jun 16, 2009, at 7:12 PM, William Remus wrote:

 
> I will be attending the SGGEE/FEEFHS convention in Milwaukee the  last 
> weekend of July. I have had various Volhynia and Prussian  Poland 
> relatives live in the area and wondered if there were any  archives or 
> local genealogical information sources in the Milwaukee  area? Also I 
> am not sure if there was any church that particularly  was associated 
> with folks from Vohnlynia in the area. Any help  would be appreciated.
> Regards Bill Remus
> Family Names include Remus, Hoffmann, Lehmann, Spitzer, Radke,  
> Frohlich (Wesselowski), Minge, Krassin, Kurtz
>
>
>     


From farose at gmail.com  Sat Jun 20 08:23:20 2009
From: farose at gmail.com (F&RM Haddad)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:23:20 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Moehringen, Wuerttemberg
Message-ID: <d813c1fb0906200823i1399eeb0v5a4f91ec16df832b@mail.gmail.com>

Is anyone doing research in Moehringen right now, or has information on the
following?

My ancestress in question is Catharina or Anna Catharina Guenther, born
07.Feb.1719, wife of (Jung) Anstaet Gohl. The original information I have
shows her as the daughter of

Johann (Hans) Guenther      *23.Apr.1692      +25.Dec.1732      who married
12.Nov.1713
Margarethe Heuk


From farose at gmail.com  Sat Jun 20 08:33:03 2009
From: farose at gmail.com (F&RM Haddad)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:33:03 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Moehringen Wuerttemberg (attempt #2)
Message-ID: <d813c1fb0906200833p907117cj7f3a72a482207bf6@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry - my computer "hiccuped". I'll try again. I wrote

Is anyone doing research in Moehringen right now, or has information on the
following?

My ancestress in question is Catharina or Anna Catharina Guenther, born
07.Feb.1719, wife of (Jung) Anstaet Gohl. The original (in the sense of the
first one - a Stamm-Buch which I considered quite factual) information I
have shows her as the daughter of

Johann (Hans) Guenther      *23.Apr.1692      +25.Dec.1732      who married
12.Nov.1713
Margarethe Heuk                 *13.May.1696

However, other "sources" (online) would make Anna Catharina the daughter of

Johann Guenther and
Barbara Neuffer                  *17.Sep.1694      +19.Mar.1762      who he
married 12.Feb.1715?

(Would the real mother please stand up?)

So - has anyone access to the church records, or has anyone researched this
line, to be able to give me a definitive answer? If it is indeed Barbara
Neuffer, there are some intriguing (and extensive) links with nobility that
go back a long way. Before I put material in my genealogy program that could
take some deleting if incorrect, I need to find out. So I'm asking here
first, before possibly ordering the Moehringen microfilms.

Thanx in advance for help.

Rose-Marie Haddad


From farose at gmail.com  Sat Jun 20 08:36:34 2009
From: farose at gmail.com (F&RM Haddad)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:36:34 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan
Message-ID: <d813c1fb0906200836pfd13706tb0ec0628f80b6dea@mail.gmail.com>

And that's probably not spelled correctly.

Germans in Khasakstan would have come from where? Volhynia? And/or ??

I'm trying to help someone whose parents come from there - and a bit of
background might be helpful.

Thank-you.

Rose-Marie Haddad


From farose at gmail.com  Sat Jun 20 08:36:34 2009
From: farose at gmail.com (F&RM Haddad)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:36:34 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan
Message-ID: <d813c1fb0906200836pfd13706tb0ec0628f80b6dea@mail.gmail.com>

And that's probably not spelled correctly.

Germans in Khasakstan would have come from where? Volhynia? And/or ??

I'm trying to help someone whose parents come from there - and a bit of
background might be helpful.

Thank-you.

Rose-Marie Haddad


From roseingram at shaw.ca  Sat Jun 20 20:15:28 2009
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 20:15:28 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Moehringen Wuerttemberg (attempt #2)
References: <d813c1fb0906200833p907117cj7f3a72a482207bf6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c9f21e$87673b40$6601a8c0@duocore>

Rose-Marie

What is the original source for the first couple.
What is the on-line source for the second couple. 

Rose Ingram
  From: F&RM Haddad 
  Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 8:33 AM


  Sorry - my computer "hiccuped". I'll try again. I wrote

  Is anyone doing research in Moehringen right now, or has information on the
  following?

  My ancestress in question is Catharina or Anna Catharina Guenther, born
  07.Feb.1719, wife of (Jung) Anstaet Gohl. The original (in the sense of the
  first one - a Stamm-Buch which I considered quite factual) information I
  have shows her as the daughter of

  Johann (Hans) Guenther      *23.Apr.1692      +25.Dec.1732      who married
  12.Nov.1713
  Margarethe Heuk                 *13.May.1696

  However, other "sources" (online) would make Anna Catharina the daughter of

  Johann Guenther and
  Barbara Neuffer                  *17.Sep.1694      +19.Mar.1762      who he
  married 12.Feb.1715?

  (Would the real mother please stand up?)

  So - has anyone access to the church records, or has anyone researched this
  line, to be able to give me a definitive answer? If it is indeed Barbara
  Neuffer, there are some intriguing (and extensive) links with nobility that
  go back a long way. Before I put material in my genealogy program that could
  take some deleting if incorrect, I need to find out. So I'm asking here
  first, before possibly ordering the Moehringen microfilms.

  Thanx in advance for help.

  Rose-Marie Haddad



From perry1121 at aol.com  Sun Jun 21 11:09:16 2009
From: perry1121 at aol.com (Sigrid Pohl Perry)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:09:16 -0500
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Milwaukee Convention Cyrillic session
Message-ID: <4A3E774C.7060409@aol.com>

To those attending the Milwaukee Convention:

If you are planning on attending the Cyrillic session at the Milwaukee 
Convention, please email me privately with a few of the crucial names 
you hope to find in late 19th century records. The names of one or two 
married couples would be ideal. If possible, I'd like to select some 
examples from this list.

Thank you.
Sigrid Pohl Perry
perry1121 at aol.com


From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 22 06:02:00 2009
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:02:00 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan
In-Reply-To: <d813c1fb0906200836pfd13706tb0ec0628f80b6dea@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d813c1fb0906200836pfd13706tb0ec0628f80b6dea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A3F80C8.3010905@shaw.ca>

I didn't see a public response to this question.

Germans in Kazahkstan came from many different places as it was one of 
the areas that they were forced to go to during the wars.  They could be 
Volhynian, Black Sea, Bessarabian or Volga Germans or even those from 
the Baltic States.


Jerry Frank
Calgary, AB



F&RM Haddad wrote:
> And that's probably not spelled correctly.
>
> Germans in Khasakstan would have come from where? Volhynia? And/or ??
>
> I'm trying to help someone whose parents come from there - and a bit of
> background might be helpful.
>
> Thank-you.
>
> Rose-Marie Haddad
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
>
>   


From tomjess64 at comcast.net  Mon Jun 22 09:24:07 2009
From: tomjess64 at comcast.net (tomjess64@comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:24:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan
In-Reply-To: <4A3F80C8.3010905@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <976409434.6481461245687847073.JavaMail.root@sz0103a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>



I'm very far from an expert, but from what I gather, the germans in the volhynian area were thought to be spies by the russians during WW1 and WW2. Many were deported to siberia, which also means kazakhistan. My grandfather?was from kazakhistan and I'm having a lot of trouble finding out any info on him, even the surname sinkiewicz. 



Tom Jess 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Frank" <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca> 
To: "F&RM Haddad" <farose at gmail.com> 
Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 9:02:00 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan 

I didn't see a public response to this question. 

Germans in Kazahkstan came from many different places as it was one of 
the areas that they were forced to go to during the wars. ?They could be 
Volhynian, Black Sea, Bessarabian or Volga Germans or even those from 
the Baltic States. 


Jerry Frank 
Calgary, AB 



F&RM Haddad wrote: 
> And that's probably not spelled correctly. 
> 
> Germans in Khasakstan would have come from where? Volhynia? And/or ?? 
> 
> I'm trying to help someone whose parents come from there - and a bit of 
> background might be helpful. 
> 
> Thank-you. 
> 
> Rose-Marie Haddad 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by 
> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org 
> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv 
> 
> ? 

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From benovich at imt.net  Mon Jun 22 10:29:18 2009
From: benovich at imt.net (Richard Benert)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:29:18 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan
References: <976409434.6481461245687847073.JavaMail.root@sz0103a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <003d01c9f35e$fbbc0b10$0500a8c0@richard01>

This won't help Tom with his own family, but some interesting material 
regarding the Soviet project of colonizing Kazakhstan with  kulaks and other 
undesirables from places like Poland and Volhynia after 1935 is to be found 
in Kate Brown, "A Biography of No Place," (Cambridge, Mass, 2004), chapters 
5-8.  She makes you realize that (a) Germans were not the only victimized 
group and (b) that many people thought that being sent to Kazakhstan would 
be an improvement!

As for Germans being deported as potential spies in early WW II (before the 
German army arrived), there was a general decree on August 26, 1941 to 
evacuate all ethnic Germans to Kazakhstan and Siberia (Brown, p. 284).  Do 
we have any idea how many Germans were affected by this?  Stumpp refers to 
the grieving German wives the army met as they entered the region whose 
husbands had just been exiled.

For all those who read Russian (!), Brown cites a work by G. A. Karpikova, 
Iz istorii Nemtsev Kazakhstana (1921-1975), published in 1997.

Dick




----- Original Message ----- 
From: <tomjess64 at comcast.net>
To: "Jerry Frank" <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
Cc: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>; "F&RM Haddad" 
<farose at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan


>
>
> I'm very far from an expert, but from what I gather, the germans in the 
> volhynian area were thought to be spies by the russians during WW1 and 
> WW2. Many were deported to siberia, which also means kazakhistan. My 
> grandfather was from kazakhistan and I'm having a lot of trouble finding 
> out any info on him, even the surname sinkiewicz.
>
>
>
> Tom Jess
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jerry Frank" <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
> To: "F&RM Haddad" <farose at gmail.com>
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 9:02:00 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan
>
> I didn't see a public response to this question.
>
> Germans in Kazahkstan came from many different places as it was one of
> the areas that they were forced to go to during the wars. They could be
> Volhynian, Black Sea, Bessarabian or Volga Germans or even those from
> the Baltic States.
>
>
> Jerry Frank
> Calgary, AB
>
>
>
> F&RM Haddad wrote:
>> And that's probably not spelled correctly.
>>
>> Germans in Khasakstan would have come from where? Volhynia? And/or ??
>>
>> I'm trying to help someone whose parents come from there - and a bit of
>> background might be helpful.
>>
>> Thank-you.
>>
>> Rose-Marie Haddad
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
>> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
>> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
>
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From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 22 10:48:46 2009
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:48:46 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan
In-Reply-To: <003d01c9f35e$fbbc0b10$0500a8c0@richard01>
References: <976409434.6481461245687847073.JavaMail.root@sz0103a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<003d01c9f35e$fbbc0b10$0500a8c0@richard01>
Message-ID: <f322ed7819ee7.4a3f6f9e@shaw.ca>

Richard,

Your comment about the possibility that some people thought of this as an improvement is interesting.? My presentation at the convention, "Bug Hollender in Siberia", will be about a group of people who CHOSE to go there in 1910 just as many others at the same time were choosing to migrate to North America.


Jerry



----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Benert <benovich at imt.net>
Date: Monday, June 22, 2009 11:29 am
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan
To: tomjess64 at comcast.net, Jerry Frank <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org, F&RM Haddad <farose at gmail.com>

> This won't help Tom with his own family, but some interesting 
> material 
> regarding the Soviet project of colonizing Kazakhstan with? 
> kulaks and other 
> undesirables from places like Poland and Volhynia after 1935 is 
> to be found 
> in Kate Brown, "A Biography of No Place," (Cambridge, Mass, 
> 2004), chapters 
> 5-8.? She makes you realize that (a) Germans were not the 
> only victimized 
> group and (b) that many people thought that being sent to 
> Kazakhstan would 
> be an improvement!
> 
> As for Germans being deported as potential spies in early WW II 
> (before the 
> German army arrived), there was a general decree on August 26, 
> 1941 to 
> evacuate all ethnic Germans to Kazakhstan and Siberia (Brown, p. 
> 284).? Do 
> we have any idea how many Germans were affected by this?? 
> Stumpp refers to 
> the grieving German wives the army met as they entered the 
> region whose 
> husbands had just been exiled.
> 
> For all those who read Russian (!), Brown cites a work by G. A. 
> Karpikova, 
> Iz istorii Nemtsev Kazakhstana (1921-1975), published in 1997.
> 
> Dick
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <tomjess64 at comcast.net>
> To: "Jerry Frank" <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
> Cc: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>; "F&RM Haddad" 
> <farose at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 10:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > I'm very far from an expert, but from what I gather, the 
> germans in the 
> > volhynian area were thought to be spies by the russians during 
> WW1 and 
> > WW2. Many were deported to siberia, which also means 
> kazakhistan. My 
> > grandfather was from kazakhistan and I'm having a lot of 
> trouble finding 
> > out any info on him, even the surname sinkiewicz.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom Jess
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Jerry Frank" <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
> > To: "F&RM Haddad" <farose at gmail.com>
> > Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 9:02:00 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan
> >
> > I didn't see a public response to this question.
> >
> > Germans in Kazahkstan came from many different places as it 
> was one of
> > the areas that they were forced to go to during the wars. They 
> could be
> > Volhynian, Black Sea, Bessarabian or Volga Germans or even 
> those from
> > the Baltic States.
> >
> >
> > Jerry Frank
> > Calgary, AB
> >
> >
> >
> > F&RM Haddad wrote:
> >> And that's probably not spelled correctly.
> >>
> >> Germans in Khasakstan would have come from where? Volhynia? 
> And/or ??
> >>
> >> I'm trying to help someone whose parents come from there - 
> and a bit of
> >> background might be helpful.
> >>
> >> Thank-you.
> >>
> >> Rose-Marie Haddad
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
> >> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> >> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
> >>
> >>
> >
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> > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> > Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
> >
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From tomjess64 at comcast.net  Mon Jun 22 16:55:35 2009
From: tomjess64 at comcast.net (tomjess64@comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:55:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan
In-Reply-To: <003d01c9f35e$fbbc0b10$0500a8c0@richard01>
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Seek and you shall find. I found a henryk sienkiewicz who wrote "Quo Vadis". Which led me to a website dedicated to sinkiewicz ancestry http://www.genealogia.okiem.pl/sienkiewicz.htm . Using the translator help Jerry provided:? http://translate.google.com/translate_t . I am making some headway. Not sure if its the same family, but how many sienkiewicz can there be in kazakistan? 



Thomas Jess 



on another note, I have copies of pages from church records?I received from LDS. ?I took them to a local business that specializes in polish vacations and they guided me to a translator. She took a look at the pages and said she was not able to translate even though she is a certified translator. She helped with a few town names but that was it. Is there anyone who specializes in hard to translate polish church records? 






----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Benert" <benovich at imt.net> 
To: tomjess64 at comcast.net, "Jerry Frank" <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca> 
Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org, "F&RM Haddad" <farose at gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 1:29:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan 

This won't help Tom with his own family, but some interesting material 
regarding the Soviet project of colonizing Kazakhstan with ?kulaks and other 
undesirables from places like Poland and Volhynia after 1935 is to be found 
in Kate Brown, "A Biography of No Place," (Cambridge, Mass, 2004), chapters 
5-8. ?She makes you realize that (a) Germans were not the only victimized 
group and (b) that many people thought that being sent to Kazakhstan would 
be an improvement! 

As for Germans being deported as potential spies in early WW II (before the 
German army arrived), there was a general decree on August 26, 1941 to 
evacuate all ethnic Germans to Kazakhstan and Siberia (Brown, p. 284). ?Do 
we have any idea how many Germans were affected by this? ?Stumpp refers to 
the grieving German wives the army met as they entered the region whose 
husbands had just been exiled. 

For all those who read Russian (!), Brown cites a work by G. A. Karpikova, 
Iz istorii Nemtsev Kazakhstana (1921-1975), published in 1997. 

Dick 




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From: <tomjess64 at comcast.net> 
To: "Jerry Frank" <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca> 
Cc: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>; "F&RM Haddad" 
<farose at gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 10:24 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan 


> 
> 
> I'm very far from an expert, but from what I gather, the germans in the 
> volhynian area were thought to be spies by the russians during WW1 and 
> WW2. Many were deported to siberia, which also means kazakhistan. My 
> grandfather was from kazakhistan and I'm having a lot of trouble finding 
> out any info on him, even the surname sinkiewicz. 
> 
> 
> 
> Tom Jess 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jerry Frank" <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca> 
> To: "F&RM Haddad" <farose at gmail.com> 
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 9:02:00 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan 
> 
> I didn't see a public response to this question. 
> 
> Germans in Kazahkstan came from many different places as it was one of 
> the areas that they were forced to go to during the wars. They could be 
> Volhynian, Black Sea, Bessarabian or Volga Germans or even those from 
> the Baltic States. 
> 
> 
> Jerry Frank 
> Calgary, AB 
> 
> 
> 
> F&RM Haddad wrote: 
>> And that's probably not spelled correctly. 
>> 
>> Germans in Khasakstan would have come from where? Volhynia? And/or ?? 
>> 
>> I'm trying to help someone whose parents come from there - and a bit of 
>> background might be helpful. 
>> 
>> Thank-you. 
>> 
>> Rose-Marie Haddad 
>> 
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From roseingram at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 22 18:11:40 2009
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:11:40 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan
References: <234530626.6675651245714935736.JavaMail.root@sz0103a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <004501c9f39f$90a100b0$6601a8c0@duocore>

Tom,

Are these records written in Polish or Russian.  What parish are they from?  What Years?

Rose Ingram
  From: tomjess64 at comcast.net 
  Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 4:55 PM



  on another note, I have copies of pages from church records I received from LDS. I took them to a local business that specializes in polish vacations and they guided me to a translator. She took a look at the pages and said she was not able to translate even though she is a certified translator. She helped with a few town names but that was it. Is there anyone who specializes in hard to translate polish church records? 


From bronklimach at gmail.com  Mon Jun 22 18:45:06 2009
From: bronklimach at gmail.com (Bronwyn Klimach)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:45:06 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan
In-Reply-To: <234530626.6675651245714935736.JavaMail.root@sz0103a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <003d01c9f35e$fbbc0b10$0500a8c0@richard01>
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Tom,
Rose has given you some pointers as to why your documents were not able to
be read.
You may 'enjoy' this (with apologies for the tiresome pop-ups):
http://www.familytreemagazine.com/article/hiring-a-genealogy-translator/
There's a good chance you will find folk on lists such as this happy to look
at your pages.  I'm certainly keen to hear when and where your documents
originate.
Kind regards,
Bronwyn.
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:55 AM, <tomjess64 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Thomas Jess
>
>
>
> on another note, I have copies of pages from church records I received from
> LDS.  I took them to a local business that specializes in polish vacations
> and they guided me to a translator. She took a look at the pages and said
> she was not able to translate even though she is a certified translator. She
> helped with a few town names but that was it. Is there anyone who
> specializes in hard to translate polish church records?
>
>
>


From bronklimach at gmail.com  Mon Jun 22 18:50:17 2009
From: bronklimach at gmail.com (Bronwyn Klimach)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:50:17 +0100
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Translating genealogical documents
Message-ID: <129d86830906221850r6abc7851lba406011a7f3b39a@mail.gmail.com>

Tom,
I forgot to say there are also many translation helps available online,
starting with pages on the SGGEE site :)
The pages following on from here https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Poland
are also packed with useful information.
https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Poland_Church_Records
https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Poland_Civil_Registration-_Vital_Records
Bronwyn.
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Bronwyn Klimach <bronklimach at gmail.com>wrote:

> Tom,
> Rose has given you some pointers as to why your documents were not able to
> be read.
> You may 'enjoy' this (with apologies for the tiresome pop-ups):
> http://www.familytreemagazine.com/article/hiring-a-genealogy-translator/
> There's a good chance you will find folk on lists such as this happy to
> look at your pages.  I'm certainly keen to hear when and where your
> documents originate.
> Kind regards,
> Bronwyn.
>   On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:55 AM, <tomjess64 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Thomas Jess
>>
>>
>>
>> on another note, I have copies of pages from church records I received
>> from LDS.  I took them to a local business that specializes in polish
>> vacations and they guided me to a translator. She took a look at the pages
>> and said she was not able to translate even though she is a certified
>> translator. She helped with a few town names but that was it. Is there
>> anyone who specializes in hard to translate polish church records?
>>
>>
>>
>


From tomjess64 at comcast.net  Mon Jun 22 19:09:10 2009
From: tomjess64 at comcast.net (tomjess64@comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:09:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan
In-Reply-To: <004501c9f39f$90a100b0$6601a8c0@duocore>
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records are written in polish. towns listed are felicjanowo, smolniki, boreczna wielka. plebany,olszak,stefanowo,dabrowo,mallniec,czerniak. year is 1855 



Tom 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rose Ingram" <roseingram at shaw.ca> 
To: tomjess64 at comcast.net 
Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 9:11:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan 

? 
Tom, 

Are these records written in Polish or Russian.? What parish are they from?? What Years? 

Rose Ingram 


From: tomjess64 at comcast.net 
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 4:55 PM 


on another note, I have copies of pages from church records I received from LDS. I took them to a local business that specializes in polish vacations and they guided me to a translator. She took a look at the pages and said she was not able to translate even though she is a certified translator. She helped with a few town names but that was it. Is there anyone who specializes in hard to translate polish church records? 


From tomjess64 at comcast.net  Mon Jun 22 19:21:21 2009
From: tomjess64 at comcast.net (tomjess64@comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:21:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Translating genealogical documents
In-Reply-To: <129d86830906221850r6abc7851lba406011a7f3b39a@mail.gmail.com>
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Thank You for the links. Looks like I have hours of research ahead of me and I'm allready looking forward to it. The translator i spoke with said each entry began "This is what happened" or words to that effect. I can read the names of my ancestors and reading what happened would be like a time machine for me. 



Tom Jess 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bronwyn Klimach" <bronklimach at gmail.com> 
To: tomjess64 at comcast.net 
Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 9:50:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Translating genealogical documents 


Tom, 
I forgot to say there are also many translation helps available online, starting with pages on the SGGEE site :) 
The pages following on from here https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Poland ? are also packed with useful information. 
https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Poland_Church_Records 
https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Poland_Civil_Registration-_Vital_Records 
Bronwyn. 

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Bronwyn Klimach < bronklimach at gmail.com > wrote: 



Tom, 
Rose has given you some pointers as to why your documents were not able to be read. 
You may 'enjoy' this (with apologies for the tiresome pop-ups): 
http://www.familytreemagazine.com/article/hiring-a-genealogy-translator/ 
There's a good chance you will find folk on lists such as this happy to look at your pages.? I'm certainly keen to hear when and where your documents originate. 
Kind regards, 
Bronwyn. 




On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:55 AM, < tomjess64 at comcast.net > wrote: 


Thomas Jess 



on another note, I have copies of pages from church records?I received from LDS. ?I took them to a local business that specializes in polish vacations and they guided me to a translator. She took a look at the pages and said she was not able to translate even though she is a certified translator. She helped with a few town names but that was it. Is there anyone who specializes in hard to translate polish church records? 


? 


From roseingram at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 22 19:22:49 2009
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:22:49 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan
References: <256875739.6724501245722950177.JavaMail.root@sz0103a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <006401c9f3a9$81008f90$6601a8c0@duocore>

Tom 

I would guess the records are from Babiak Parish or one of the surrounding churches.  Are they Evangelical records?

Rose Ingram
  From: tomjess64 at comcast.net 
  Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 7:09 PM




  records are written in polish. towns listed are felicjanowo, smolniki, boreczna wielka. plebany,olszak,stefanowo,dabrowo,mallniec,czerniak. year is 1855 



  Tom 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Rose Ingram" <roseingram at shaw.ca> 
  To: tomjess64 at comcast.net 
  Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
  Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 9:11:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
  Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan 

  ? 
  Tom, 

  Are these records written in Polish or Russian. What parish are they from? What Years? 

  Rose Ingram 


  From: tomjess64 at comcast.net 
  Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 4:55 PM 


  on another note, I have copies of pages from church records I received from LDS. I took them to a local business that specializes in polish vacations and they guided me to a translator. She took a look at the pages and said she was not able to translate even though she is a certified translator. She helped with a few town names but that was it. Is there anyone who specializes in hard to translate polish church records? 


From Krampetz at aol.com  Mon Jun 22 20:26:28 2009
From: Krampetz at aol.com (Krampetz@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:26:28 EDT
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan
Message-ID: <cc5.58004f41.3771a564@aol.com>

I had excellent success with handwritten Russian documents from  Lipno.
I scanned them in, put them on an accessible web page (there are dozens of 
  free ones) and put my request on a Polish web site that has been  doing
  Russian to Polish translations for years  (you can get google  to 
translate
  the now digital Polish to anything you want)..
         _http://www.genealodzy.pl/_ (http://www.genealodzy.pl/) 
   There's also one English group where someone will translate  Polish to 
English.
 
   You will have to register.
   For a while they had one area where everyone posted  translation 
requests,
   but I later noticed people opening new  subjects.     YMMV     
   If you use Google to translate,  use two  browser windows,  one 
   translated, and one not,  as you cannot login, post,  etc  through the 
translated
   page.
 
Bob
 
 
 
In a message dated 6/22/2009 4:59:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
tomjess64 at comcast.net writes:


on  another note, I have copies of pages from church records I received 
from  LDS.  I took them to a local business that specializes in polish  
vacations and they guided me to a translator. She took a look at the pages and  
said she was not able to translate even though she is a certified translator.  
She helped with a few town names but that was it. Is there anyone who  
specializes in hard to translate polish church records? 

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From robinquilter at gmail.com  Mon Jun 22 21:33:34 2009
From: robinquilter at gmail.com (Robin Grube)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:33:34 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Polish records
Message-ID: <d61d61810906222133n92f1a6dtebe5d1ad9ccd6a54@mail.gmail.com>

Since we have been talking about Polish records lately, I wonder if any of
you have looked at records of Germans born in Warsaw, probably evang
(Lutheran). I just want to know, in a general way, if you think I have any
chance of finding him just by paging through parish records. Are there civil
records available? My grandfather, when he came to the USA after marrying
another German near Kiev, wrote "Warsaw" as his place of birth on passport
application, etc. Perhaps he is not from there, at all, but just thought
that might be the only place Americans would recognize! I would be happy to
order some FHL microfilms if I knew what parish might be worth a try. My
particular details: Karl HAAK, born 1863. Only other info I have is that he
had a brother Gottlieb, born c. 1867
Thanks for any pointers. I have written about him before, but I still have
no new info, and don't know what to try next.
Robin Haak Grube


From colnels at telus.net  Mon Jun 22 22:16:49 2009
From: colnels at telus.net (Nelson Itterman)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:16:49 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Polish records
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Hello Robin:
I assume you have looked through the Odessa 3 Search in all Data Categories.
With the marriage having taken place in Kiev, he may have come from
Volhynia. (Polish Volhynia) There is a suggestion that the name could vary
between Haak - Hack-Hauk-Heck. There are also a lot of Haak's in the Emmons
County, N.D. Cemeteries. Have you tried to contact any Haak's that are
living in that area. Citizen Applications of your grandfather.
Another area of search would be the US death index. I"m just checking if you
have done any research of other Haak's in the US. It is an odd name which is
good for a search, similar in oddness like my own last name.
I wish you luck and good hunting.
Nelson Itterman

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Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Polish records


Since we have been talking about Polish records lately, I wonder if any of
you have looked at records of Germans born in Warsaw, probably evang
(Lutheran). I just want to know, in a general way, if you think I have any
chance of finding him just by paging through parish records. Are there civil
records available? My grandfather, when he came to the USA after marrying
another German near Kiev, wrote "Warsaw" as his place of birth on passport
application, etc. Perhaps he is not from there, at all, but just thought
that might be the only place Americans would recognize! I would be happy to
order some FHL microfilms if I knew what parish might be worth a try. My
particular details: Karl HAAK, born 1863. Only other info I have is that he
had a brother Gottlieb, born c. 1867 Thanks for any pointers. I have written
about him before, but I still have no new info, and don't know what to try
next.
Robin Haak Grube

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From GHBoehm at ish.de  Tue Jun 23 00:38:47 2009
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:38:47 +0200
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan
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tomjess64 at comcast.net schrieb:
> Seek and you shall find. I found a henryk sienkiewicz who wrote "Quo Vadis". Which led me to a website dedicated to sinkiewicz ancestry http://www.genealogia.okiem.pl/sienkiewicz.htm . Using the translator help Jerry provided:  http://translate.google.com/translate_t . I am making some headway. Not sure if its the same family, but how many sienkiewicz can there be in kazakistan?

Hello Thomas,
a needle in the hay! Actually there are 10658 SIENKIEWICZ in Poland. 
Supposedly many of their relatives were brought to Kazakhstan during WWII.

G?nther


From tomjess64 at comcast.net  Tue Jun 23 08:40:23 2009
From: tomjess64 at comcast.net (tomjess64@comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:40:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan
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Sending 10658 Christmas cards is a bit much. Back to the computer to try and narrow?names and locations down a bit. The search goes on. 



Tom 



? 
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To: "Wolhynien-Liste" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 3:38:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan 

tomjess64 at comcast.net schrieb: 
> Seek and you shall find. I found a henryk sienkiewicz who wrote "Quo Vadis". Which led me to a website dedicated to sinkiewicz ancestry http://www.genealogia.okiem.pl/sienkiewicz.htm . Using the translator help Jerry provided: ?http://translate.google.com/translate_t . I am making some headway. Not sure if its the same family, but how many sienkiewicz can there be in kazakistan? 

Hello Thomas, 
a needle in the hay! Actually there are 10658 SIENKIEWICZ in Poland. 
Supposedly many of their relatives were brought to Kazakhstan during WWII. 

G?nther 

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From Krampetz at aol.com  Tue Jun 23 12:15:05 2009
From: Krampetz at aol.com (Krampetz@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:15:05 EDT
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Polish records
Message-ID: <d5b.4a6f21f6.377283b9@aol.com>

 
As to what emigrants  wrote as their 'old home' on manifests.
My grandfather wrote "Kickol"    (misspelled Kikol that  threw me off a bit)
His Brother said "Lipno, Plock"     (which  was their church & their govt 
cities)
Two sisters used just "Lipno".
 
But, they were from Barany,  ~7km from Lipno and more than 65km
from Plock.   Fortunately,  the church covering them was  Lipno's.
There was a different church covering Plock.   I don't know if  any
civil records may have been stored at Plock.
 
Bob
 
 
In a message dated 6/22/2009 9:35:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
robinquilter at gmail.com writes:

Since we  have been talking about Polish records lately, I wonder if any of
you have  looked at records of Germans born in Warsaw, probably evang
(Lutheran). I  just want to know, in a general way, if you think I have any
chance of  finding him just by paging through parish records. Are there 
civil
records  available? My grandfather, when he came to the USA after marrying
another  German near Kiev, wrote "Warsaw" as his place of birth on  passport
application, etc. Perhaps he is not from there, at all, but just  thought
that might be the only place Americans would recognize! I would be  happy to
order some FHL microfilms if I knew what parish might be worth a  try. My
particular details: Karl HAAK, born 1863. Only other info I have is  that he
had a brother Gottlieb, born c. 1867
Thanks for any pointers. I  have written about him before, but I still have
no new info, and don't know  what to try next.
Robin Haak  Grube

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From rakow at ifh.de  Wed Jun 24 10:32:33 2009
From: rakow at ifh.de (Paul Rakow)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:32:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Polish records
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    Robin,

        Usually the Polish parish records have indexes, sorted by
  the first letter of the surname, so instead of having to look
  through all the births, you just have to read through the list
  of "H" surnames, looking for Haak, (or similar), a much easier
  task. The index will tell you the record number and/or page number
  for the full entry.

       I looked at the LDS catalogue. For Protestants in Warsaw I only
  saw two churches, one Evangelical, and one Evangelical-Reformed.
  The LDS catalogues these as copies of the church records,
  these copies served as the civil records.

    Unfortunately, they both stop in 1862! Might still be worth a try,
  in case Karl is a year older than you think, or to look for possible
  older siblings, possible marriages of Haak couples.

       There are also some city directories from 1869 and 1870 - maybe
  you could look if there are any Haak families listed. (I do
  agree with what you said - there's a risk that he just said Warsaw
  because it was simpler than putting down the name of a small village
  somewhere in Poland).

                Yours,
                   Paul Rakow
                   rakow at ifh.de

  Robin Grube <robinquilter at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Since we have been talking about Polish records lately, I wonder if any of
> you have looked at records of Germans born in Warsaw, probably evang
> (Lutheran). I just want to know, in a general way, if you think I have any
> chance of finding him just by paging through parish records. Are there civil
> records available? My grandfather, when he came to the USA after marrying
> another German near Kiev, wrote "Warsaw" as his place of birth on passport
> application, etc. Perhaps he is not from there, at all, but just thought
> that might be the only place Americans would recognize! I would be happy to
> order some FHL microfilms if I knew what parish might be worth a try. My
> particular details: Karl HAAK, born 1863. Only other info I have is that he
> had a brother Gottlieb, born c. 1867
> Thanks for any pointers. I have written about him before, but I still have
> no new info, and don't know what to try next.
> Robin Haak Grube
>


From gary at warnerengineering.com  Wed Jun 24 12:01:10 2009
From: gary at warnerengineering.com (Gary Warner)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:01:10 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Polish records
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.1.10.0906232124430.24080@pub5.ifh.de>
References: <mailman.1.1245783603.9259.ger-poland-volhynia@eclipse.sggee.org>
	<alpine.LRH.1.10.0906232124430.24080@pub5.ifh.de>
Message-ID: <4A4277F6.4000703@warnerengineering.com>

Robin,

Do you have more data, like the names of the parents?

Paul is correct that the church books mostly have indexes (usually at 
the end of the book), but sometimes you will find no index, or 
alternately you will find a whole bunch of indexes all together in one 
place- perhaps a decade's worth of indexes in one book.

Gary Warner

Paul Rakow wrote:
>     Robin,
>
>         Usually the Polish parish records have indexes, sorted by
>   the first letter of the surname, so instead of having to look
>   through all the births, you just have to read through the list
>   of "H" surnames, looking for Haak, (or similar), a much easier
>   task. The index will tell you the record number and/or page number
>   for the full entry.
>
>        I looked at the LDS catalogue. For Protestants in Warsaw I only
>   saw two churches, one Evangelical, and one Evangelical-Reformed.
>   The LDS catalogues these as copies of the church records,
>   these copies served as the civil records.
>
>     Unfortunately, they both stop in 1862! Might still be worth a try,
>   in case Karl is a year older than you think, or to look for possible
>   older siblings, possible marriages of Haak couples.
>
>        There are also some city directories from 1869 and 1870 - maybe
>   you could look if there are any Haak families listed. (I do
>   agree with what you said - there's a risk that he just said Warsaw
>   because it was simpler than putting down the name of a small village
>   somewhere in Poland).
>
>                 Yours,
>                    Paul Rakow
>                    rakow at ifh.de
>
>   Robin Grube <robinquilter at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Since we have been talking about Polish records lately, I wonder if any of
>> you have looked at records of Germans born in Warsaw, probably evang
>> (Lutheran). I just want to know, in a general way, if you think I have any
>> chance of finding him just by paging through parish records. Are there civil
>> records available? My grandfather, when he came to the USA after marrying
>> another German near Kiev, wrote "Warsaw" as his place of birth on passport
>> application, etc. Perhaps he is not from there, at all, but just thought
>> that might be the only place Americans would recognize! I would be happy to
>> order some FHL microfilms if I knew what parish might be worth a try. My
>> particular details: Karl HAAK, born 1863. Only other info I have is that he
>> had a brother Gottlieb, born c. 1867
>> Thanks for any pointers. I have written about him before, but I still have
>> no new info, and don't know what to try next.
>> Robin Haak Grube
>>
>>     
>
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From tomjess64 at comcast.net  Thu Jun 25 02:52:21 2009
From: tomjess64 at comcast.net (tomjess64@comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:52:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan
In-Reply-To: <4A408687.3050901@ish.de>
Message-ID: <410757384.7588361245923541523.JavaMail.root@sz0103a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>



I did something today which i'm sure everyone on the board has allready done, but I thought I'd mention it anyway. I took the name of the birthplace for a few of?my ?ancestors, in this case? the village of borecznia wielka. I typed the name ?in a search engine and got the map coordinates. I copied the coordinates and plugged them in to google earth. Satellite images of the area popped up. You couldn't zoom in too close, but i have now a better idea of the area i'm researching.

From mag_ton at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 25 13:27:07 2009
From: mag_ton at yahoo.com (mag_ton)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:27:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Purpoc Duza /Zambrow
Message-ID: <342769.84521.qm@web112417.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Just went through some Puproc Duza records looking for Zimmers . Ancestor Zimmer owned a farm ,? married a Catholic , then was widowed and remarried and then , died in Cysew ( Cyzsew ) , near Zambrow . I have his death record & second marriage record .

Looking for his first? marriage record & deaths of his Lutheran parents? . Was there a Lutheran Church in Zambrow in the 1860's & 1870's period ??








      

From robinquilter at gmail.com  Fri Jun 26 02:35:49 2009
From: robinquilter at gmail.com (Robin Grube)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:35:49 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Polish records- Warsaw
Message-ID: <d61d61810906260235n3cf65bddt7b3c31e1bdcba346@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to all those who have written to me about suggestions for finding
more info about my greatgrandfather from "Warsau"- Nelson, Paul, Gary, &
Bob. I never knew about city directories- in fact, that's a good suggestion
even for easier US relatives! Finding the parents of Karl (1863) and
Gottlieb(1867) HAAK will be my first step backwards. Hope I can do it
eventually, as no one else in my family is working on genealogy! I
appreciate all the help. Robin Haak Grube


From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  Sat Jun 27 07:31:28 2009
From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 08:31:28 -0600
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Rehbein and Weiss in Volhynia and Lublin
Message-ID: <4A462D40.5070203@shaw.ca>

This message was received from Germany from someone who is not a mailing 
list member.  Therefore please respond directly to him if you can help.

Ingeborg Schiemann <Wolhynien at arcor.de>



------------------------
Dear fellow researchers,

I am looking for the Rehbein family from Volhynia.  Also, in the region 
of Lublin descendants of the Rehbein family and Anna Elisabeth Weiss.  I 
would be pleased to receive any information about them.  Thank you in 
advance.

Ingeborg Schiemann.
------------------------


Liebe Mitforscher, ich suche in Wolhynien die Familienmitglieder von 
Rehbein. Auch im Raum von Lublin mitglieder der Familie Rehbein und 
Weiss, Anna Elisabeth. Ich freue mich sehr ?ber diesbez?gliche 
Nachrichten. Danke im voraus sagt Ingeborg Schiemann

-- 
Jerry Frank
List Administrator




From asbender at telus.net  Sat Jun 27 18:06:10 2009
From: asbender at telus.net (Bender)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:06:10 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan
References: <d813c1fb0906200836pfd13706tb0ec0628f80b6dea@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A3F80C8.3010905@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <2166FC6119284AC6BA76FE781FFA7610@Bender>

My fathers family were all sent to Kazahkstan at the end of WWII.  They were 
from Iwanowitsch, Shitomir area.  Some of the family still live in 
Kazahkstan.
My father is the only one that wasn't as he was  in an American prisoner of 
war camp.
Adelheid Bender
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Frank" <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
To: "F&RM Haddad" <farose at gmail.com>
Cc: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Germans in Khasakstan


>
> I didn't see a public response to this question.
>
> Germans in Kazahkstan came from many different places as it was one of
> the areas that they were forced to go to during the wars.  They could be
> Volhynian, Black Sea, Bessarabian or Volga Germans or even those from
> the Baltic States.
>
>
> Jerry Frank
> Calgary, AB
>
>
>
> F&RM Haddad wrote:
>> And that's probably not spelled correctly.
>>
>> Germans in Khasakstan would have come from where? Volhynia? And/or ??
>>
>> I'm trying to help someone whose parents come from there - and a bit of
>> background might be helpful.
>>
>> Thank-you.
>>
>> Rose-Marie Haddad
>>
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From gstelter at uoguelph.ca  Sun Jun 28 15:39:20 2009
From: gstelter at uoguelph.ca (Gilbert A Stelter)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:39:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Reasons for Germans leaving Poland for
	Volhynia
In-Reply-To: <283010196.1386071246228535462.JavaMail.root@huron.cs.uoguelph.ca>
Message-ID: <724493346.1386421246228760158.JavaMail.root@huron.cs.uoguelph.ca>

Gil Stelter in Guelph, Ontario. This fall I'll be visiting the villages in Poland and Ukraine where my ancestors lived.

But I have a problem with the general story of why Germans left Poland in the 1860s and migrated to Volhynia in such large numbers. My great grandfather, Martin Stelter was born in Janowka, Piotrkow in 1809. His parents must have migrated to that area after the partitions of Poland in the 1790s when it became South Prussia. I don't yet know their names or where they came from. That area of Poland because Russian territory after 1815.

Martin took his family to Volhynia in 1867, part of a large migration. The reasons usually given include the freeing of the serfs and the Polish Uprising of 1863. What is not clear to me is why so many Germans decided to move further into the Russian empire. PArticularly as Russia was doing its best to Russify Volhynia, and was moving against the Polish landlords there. 

What am I missing? Were these people misled about the situation there?
I've been reading Weeks, NAtion and State in LAte Imperial Russia, WAndycz, The LAnds of PArtitioned Poland and others, including Jerry Frank.


From fellwockliz at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 29 04:40:39 2009
From: fellwockliz at yahoo.com (Liz Fellwock)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:40:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Obtaining Vital Records from the Polish
	Archives
Message-ID: <678771.14775.qm@web59715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know how I can order vital records from the Poznan State Archive? I need records that are more recent than the microfilms at the Family History Library.
?
Liz Fellwock


      

From roseingram at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 29 10:25:28 2009
From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:25:28 -0700
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Obtaining Vital Records from the
	Polish	Archives
References: <678771.14775.qm@web59715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003501c9f8de$98b00370$6601a8c0@duocore>

Liz,

Are you confident the records you seek are in the Poznan Archives.  Some records in the 'little pocket' area from Sompolno, Babiak, down to Dabie, Turek, and Grodziec area are in the Konin affiliate (of Poznan) archive.

See http://baza.archiwa.gov.pl/sezam/pradziad.php?l=en

Rose Ingram
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Liz Fellwock 
  To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
  Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 4:40 AM
  Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Obtaining Vital Records from the Polish Archives


  Does anyone know how I can order vital records from the Poznan State Archive? I need records that are more recent than the microfilms at the Family History Library.

  Liz Fellwock


        

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From remus at hawaii.edu  Mon Jun 29 20:05:23 2009
From: remus at hawaii.edu (William Remus)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:05:23 -1000
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Archives in Milwaukee area
Message-ID: <fc14e2be1a1aa2.4a48f453@hawaii.edu>

My thanks to all that helped and especially to Nancy Gertner, Dick Benert, Don Miller, Beth Burke, Karla Walters and Sandie.
regards bill

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From remus at hawaii.edu  Mon Jun 29 20:21:18 2009
From: remus at hawaii.edu (William Remus)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:21:18 -1000
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Reasons for Germans leaving Poland for
	Volhynia
Message-ID: <fc65edc11a634f.4a48f80e@hawaii.edu>

"Martin took his family to Volhynia in 1867, part of a large migration. The reasons usually given include the freeing of the serfs and the Polish Uprising of 1863. What is not clear to me is why so many Germans decided to move further into the Russian empire. PArticularly as Russia was doing its best to Russify Volhynia, and was moving against the Polish landlords there. "

It is true that the uprising of the Poles led many Germans to flee Russian Poland. Its uprising was brutal and the Russian repression much worse. Volhynia was much safer. Also the Russification program in Volhynia would not start for another two decades.

It is true the serfs in Volhynia were freed and that left the manorial farms. The Germans did not want to work on the farms but were glad to buy land. Soon the nobles sold land and the Germans were enthusiastic since in Russian Poland and many other areas land was not available to buy. 

This second wave included those from Pommern and West Prussia as well as Russian Poland. I might note that Pommern and West Prussia were overpopulated and the mechanizing of farming was reducing the need for small scale farmers. So at the same time my great grandfather was heading for Volhynia other family members were heading for the US and Canada.

The Russification program was a key driving force in the 1890's migrations out of  Volhynia of Germans, Jews, Poles, and even Ukranians.

regards bill

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Telephone: 808-956-7608   Fax: 808-956-9889
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