From ljavorsk at xplornet.com Thu Dec 3 09:36:19 2009 From: ljavorsk at xplornet.com (Larry Javorsky) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:36:19 -0700 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wilhelm Althausen In-Reply-To: <695690.38243.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7BF45B4386FE4930A630F0422733FAA6@company898bb10> Ernst Althausen's book that Helen talks about, was also translated into English and published by the 'Wandering Volhynians" magazine. Currently copies of the English version can be obtained from the HSGPV (Historical Society of Germans from Poland and Volhynia) in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. Contact Lorraine Yackulic at lyackulic at shaw.ca Larry W. Javorsky -----Original Message----- From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Helen Gillespie Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 6:56 PM To: Jerry Frank; Jack Milner Cc: Rose Ingram; GPV List Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wilhelm Althausen A copy of Ernst Althausen's book Reisebeschreibung aus Wolhynien und Canada : Tagebuchbl?tter des Ernst Althausen -- Winnipeg : Deutsche Buchhandlung, 1921. -- 40 p. : port. ; 22 cm.. -- AMICUS No. 23814599 is found in the U. of Saskatchewan library in Saskatoon. Assuming someone would like to borrow it on Interlibrary Loan (ILL) or go and have a quick read - it`s only 40 pages. It`s a journal of his Wolhynia to Canada trip and curiously, published in Winnipeg. Helen _______________________________________________ Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.86/2533 - Release Date: 11/28/09 12:34:00 From hgillespie at rogers.com Fri Dec 4 16:59:46 2009 From: hgillespie at rogers.com (Helen Gillespie) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:59:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Worth trying - locating cemeteries and obits in Saskatchewan Message-ID: <624575.70895.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear all, Out of curiousity, I typed in the name of a small town in Saskatchewan - Nokomis. (I was watching the 100th Anniversary of the Montreal Canadiens tonight and they paid a tribut to Elmer Lach a hockey player from the 40,s who was from Nokomis SK and I had never heard of the place). I don't know anyone in this town. http://nokomisweb.com and click on the History link. The town has listed all the names in the local cemeteries and a number of obits for a long period of time - it's a small town and they had 297 obits. One was dated 1974. Some of the obits had a lot of information about the individuals. Plus they have also listed all the original land grants and census info, old photos,etc. They've also added a Genealogy Queries section, that includes a blog - so there is more info. Assuming you have ancestors in this area. So, take a chance and type in the town/village you are searching and see what information is available. It likely won't work in a large town, but maybe.... You might strike it lucky. I had fun exploring anyway. Helen From tomjess64 at comcast.net Sat Dec 5 07:14:24 2009 From: tomjess64 at comcast.net (tomjess64@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 15:14:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Andreas Jesse In-Reply-To: <820432951.9889271260025994121.JavaMail.root@sz0103a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1041225635.9889461260026064426.JavaMail.root@sz0103a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> First time I am trying this so I hope I sent it correctly. I am very confused about information on Andreas Jesse. I have documentation from my father that lists Gottlieb Jesse as his grandfather and he married Eva Decker. That information is also on the master pedigree database. From there , when you look up Gottliebs father, it says Andreas Jesse, born about 1786-1790, in Borecznia/kolo, married to Rosina Grams. 6 children, Michael, Johan Samuel, Johann Gottfried, Martin, Rosina, and Gottlieb. Andreas ID is I172901. Children born between 1819-1836. If you just do a search on Andreas Jesse, 33 names come up. Looking at the ones only born around 1786-1790, there is some confusion. There is an Andreas Jesse, born 1803. ID I236429 whose mother was Anna Dorothea Grams. Possibly a cousin. I am thinking Anna Dorothea Grams and Rosina Grams were related. There is a Andreas Jesse born 1783 ID I180975 who married Anna Kristine Wendland. This the same Andreas as in ID I13083 born in 1784 who married Anna Kristine Wendland? There is an Andreas Jesse born in 1790 in Borecznia/kolo. ID I166159. Born in the same town as my Andreas. Married to Anna Rosina Schneider in 1823, 8 children, Samuel, Luise,Caroline, Gottlieb,Wilhelmine,Johan Daniel,Johan Friederich,Christoph. All born in felicjanow or Borecznia, same as the children of my Andreas. The children were born between 1829-1847.? There is an Andreas Jesse born about 1784 married to a Siebert. ID I156195 From krushelh at telus.net Sat Dec 5 09:04:12 2009 From: krushelh at telus.net (Howard Krushel) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:04:12 -0700 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Jesswein Message-ID: <802BE962DECD4864A83858AFAFFCCF8D@D24VBP91> > From: zitter at cox.net > To: ger-volga at rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:27:17 -0600 > Subject: [GV] Jesswein interest - can you help? > > The following message was forwarded to me (after first being sent to Michael > Miller and he then passed it to another AHSGR member) with a request to ask > for help for the originator. If you have information that can help him > please respond to 1rejess at gmail.com > > Thanks > Dennis Zitterkopf > > > From: Ross Jesswein <1rejess at gmail.com> > > > Dear Mr. Miller > Do you know where I might find more information about my father and > his family? His father's name was Frederick (Friedrich?) Jesswein. My > father was born near Kiev in about 1888 and came to America when he > was about 4 years old. The family arrived in Baltimore and lived near > Frankfort Kentucky for a time. They moved to Berrien Springs Michigan. > My father's name was Gustav E. Jesswein. He left home while fairly > young and wound up in North Dakota where he lived the rest of his > life, first in Adams and then in Kenmare. > I am the last surviving offspring of that family. > Thank you > Ross Jesswein > > From dabookk54 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 5 09:33:07 2009 From: dabookk54 at yahoo.com (Karl Krueger) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:33:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Andreas Jesse In-Reply-To: <1041225635.9889461260026064426.JavaMail.root@sz0103a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <543827.10885.qm@web55306.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, It seems you wondering whether any of these Andreas are duplicates. To help you out it is good to look at the sources. All of them except one (one of the ones married to the Wendland and the one married to a Siebert) come from the same source - SGGEE001r8. The person who found these data believes they are all distinct people. The two married to a Wendland are the same and the caretaker of the database will see this message and make the merge. Note that the source on the other was Jan Textor. I guess you are concerned that two Andreas Jess born in same town at same time period are in fact different. From what I see it seems they are different as the children do not all have identical names. They could be cousins. It is common to see the same names used by families and it might take deep study to keep them straight. If you really want to prove it to yourself you might have to rent the films yourself and study all that names that show up. Volunteer SGGEE001 does this so he feels comfortable leaving them separate. The possiblity that the Jess and Grams families had more than one connection is also likely. This happens a lot as families got know each other well in their communities. Let us know if this does not quell your concerns. Karl --- On Sat, 12/5/09, tomjess64 at comcast.net wrote: From: tomjess64 at comcast.net Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Andreas Jesse To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 10:14 AM First time I am trying this so I hope I sent it correctly. I am very confused about information on Andreas Jesse. I have documentation from my father that lists Gottlieb Jesse as his grandfather and he married Eva Decker. That information is also on the master pedigree database. From there , when you look up Gottliebs father, it says Andreas Jesse, born about 1786-1790, in Borecznia/kolo, married to Rosina Grams. 6 children, Michael, Johan Samuel, Johann Gottfried, Martin, Rosina, and Gottlieb. Andreas ID is I172901. Children born between 1819-1836. If you just do a search on Andreas Jesse, 33 names come up. Looking at the ones only born around 1786-1790, there is some confusion. There is an Andreas Jesse, born 1803. ID I236429 whose mother was Anna Dorothea Grams. Possibly a cousin. I am thinking Anna Dorothea Grams and Rosina Grams were related. There is a Andreas Jesse born 1783 ID I180975 who married Anna Kristine Wendland. This the same Andreas as in ID I13083 born in 1784 who married Anna Kristine Wendland? There is an Andreas Jesse born in 1790 in Borecznia/kolo. ID I166159. Born in the same town as my Andreas. Married to Anna Rosina Schneider in 1823, 8 children, Samuel, Luise,Caroline, Gottlieb,Wilhelmine,Johan Daniel,Johan Friederich,Christoph. All born in felicjanow or Borecznia, same as the children of my Andreas. The children were born between 1829-1847.? There is an Andreas Jesse born about 1784 married to a Siebert. ID I156195 _______________________________________________ Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv From tomjess64 at comcast.net Sat Dec 5 10:04:41 2009 From: tomjess64 at comcast.net (tomjess64@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 18:04:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Andreas Jesse In-Reply-To: <1733149206.9931851260035543229.JavaMail.root@sz0103a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <986378094.9934651260036281886.JavaMail.root@sz0103a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Karl, I know SGGEE001r8 and have spoken with him at length. I trust him completely. I am going to be in salt lake city in June and my father and I are planning on making copies of as many documents as we can. I see the childrens names are different so I thought maybe one wife passed away and he married again. However, the childrens dates overlap so that could not be the case. Plus there are too many children for it to be an affair. It is confusing because the first and last names are the same, from the same small town. Also, the families they marry into have the same names. I just found some relatives in G ermany with the? last name, Wendland, but it has nothing to do with Anna Kristine Wendland. These Wendlands married into Schwankes, who married into the Krugers, who married into the Jesses. So I keep seeing the same last names down through the generations. It just gets a little frustrating but there's nothing that can be done about it. Tom Jess ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Krueger" To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org, tomjess64 at comcast.net Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2009 12:33:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Andreas Jesse Hi Tom, It seems you wondering whether any of these Andreas are duplicates. To help you out it is good to look at the sources. All of them except one (one of the ones married to the Wendland and the one married to a Siebert) come from the same source - SGGEE001r8. The person who found these data believes they are all distinct people. The two married to a Wendland are the same and the caretaker of the database will see this message and make the merge. Note that the source on the other was Jan Textor. I guess you are concerned that two Andreas Jess born in same town at same time period are in fact different. From what I see it seems they are different as the children do not all have identical names. They could be cousins. It is common to see the same names used by families and it might take deep study to keep them straight. If you really want to prove it to yourself you might have to rent the films yourself and study all that names that show up. Volunteer SGGEE001 does this so he feels comfortable leaving them separate. The possiblity that the Jess and Grams families had more than one connection is also likely. This happens a lot as families got know each other well in their communities. Let us know if this does not quell your concerns. Karl --- On Sat, 12/5/09, tomjess64 at comcast.net wrote: From: tomjess64 at comcast.net Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Andreas Jesse To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 10:14 AM First time I am trying this so I hope I sent it correctly. I am very confused about information on Andreas Jesse. I have documentation from my father that lists Gottlieb Jesse as his grandfather and he married Eva Decker. That information is also on the master pedigree database. From there , when you look up Gottliebs father, it says Andreas Jesse, born about 1786-1790, in Borecznia/kolo, married to Rosina Grams. 6 children, Michael, Johan Samuel, Johann Gottfried, Martin, Rosina, and Gottlieb. Andreas ID is I172901. Children born between 1819-1836. If you just do a search on Andreas Jesse, 33 names come up. Looking at the ones only born around 1786-1790, there is some confusion. There is an Andreas Jesse, born 1803. ID I236429 whose mother was Anna Dorothea Grams. Possibly a cousin. I am thinking Anna Dorothea Grams and Rosina Grams were related. There is a Andreas Jesse born 1783 ID I180975 who married Anna Kristine Wendland. This the same Andreas as in ID I13083 born in 1784 who married Anna Kristine Wendland? There is an Andreas Jesse born in 1790 in Borecznia/kolo. ID I166159. Born in the same town as my Andreas. Married to Anna Rosina Schneider in 1823, 8 children, Samuel, Luise,Caroline, Gottlieb,Wilhelmine,Johan Daniel,Johan Friederich,Christoph. All born in felicjanow or Borecznia, same as the children of my Andreas. The children were born between 1829-1847.? There is an Andreas Jesse born about 1784 married to a Siebert. ID I156195 _______________________________________________ Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv From dabookk54 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 5 10:25:06 2009 From: dabookk54 at yahoo.com (Karl Krueger) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:25:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Andreas Jesse In-Reply-To: <986378094.9934651260036281886.JavaMail.root@sz0103a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <884875.39874.qm@web55306.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, Yes you are learning the challenges we face. It is common to see the same names used by all families. I am even finding each little community had there own subset of favorite names. On my side I have two sets of ancestors living about 5 miles from each other. You can literally tell what town they are from simply by the first names they are giving the kids. So you can expect lots of overlap with names. If the families were prolific as it seems yours were, that makes way for even more duplication. Karl --- On Sat, 12/5/09, tomjess64 at comcast.net wrote: From: tomjess64 at comcast.net Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Andreas Jesse To: "Karl Krueger" Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 1:04 PM #yiv444289118 p {margin:0;}Karl, I know SGGEE001r8 and have spoken with him at length. I trust him completely. I am going to be in salt lake city in June and my father and I are planning on making copies of as many documents as we can. I see the childrens names are different so I thought maybe one wife passed away and he married again. However, the childrens dates overlap so that could not be the case. Plus there are too many children for it to be an affair. It is confusing because the first and last names are the same, from the same small town. Also, the families they marry into have the same names. I just found some relatives in Germany with the? last name, Wendland, but it has nothing to do with Anna Kristine Wendland. These Wendlands married into Schwankes, who married into the Krugers, who married into the Jesses. So I keep seeing the same last names down through the generations. It just gets a little frustrating but there's nothing that can be done about it. ? Tom Jess ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Krueger" To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org, tomjess64 at comcast.net Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2009 12:33:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Andreas Jesse Hi Tom, It seems you wondering whether any of these Andreas are duplicates. To help you out it is good to look at the sources. All of them except one (one of the ones married to the Wendland and the one married to a Siebert) come from the same source - SGGEE001r8. The person who found these data believes they are all distinct people. The two married to a Wendland are the same and the caretaker of the database will see this message and make the merge. Note that the source on the other was Jan Textor. I guess you are concerned that two Andreas Jess born in same town at same time period are in fact different. From what I see it seems they are different as the children do not all have identical names. They could be cousins. It is common to see the same names used by families and it might take deep study to keep them straight. If you really want to prove it to yourself you might have to rent the films yourself and study all that names that show up. Volunteer SGGEE001 does this so he feels comfortable leaving them separate. The possiblity that the Jess and Grams families had more than one connection is also likely. This happens a lot as families got know each other well in their communities. Let us know if this does not quell your concerns. Karl --- On Sat, 12/5/09, tomjess64 at comcast.net wrote: From: tomjess64 at comcast.net Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Andreas Jesse To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 10:14 AM First time I am trying this so I hope I sent it correctly. I am very confused about information on Andreas Jesse. I have documentation from my father that lists Gottlieb Jesse as his grandfather and he married Eva Decker. That information is also on the master pedigree database. From there , when you look up Gottliebs father, it says Andreas Jesse, born about 1786-1790, in Borecznia/kolo, married to Rosina Grams. 6 children, Michael, Johan Samuel, Johann Gottfried, Martin, Rosina, and Gottlieb. Andreas ID is I172901. Children born between 1819-1836. If you just do a search on Andreas Jesse, 33 names come up. Looking at the ones only born around 1786-1790, there is some confusion. There is an Andreas Jesse, born 1803. ID I236429 whose mother was Anna Dorothea Grams. Possibly a cousin. I am thinking Anna Dorothea Grams and Rosina Grams were related. There is a Andreas Jesse born 1783 ID I180975 who married Anna Kristine Wendland. This the same Andreas as in ID I13083 born in 1784 who married Anna Kristine Wendland? There is an Andreas Jesse born in 1790 in Borecznia/kolo. ID I166159. Born in the same town as my Andreas. Married to Anna Rosina Schneider in 1823, 8 children, Samuel, Luise,Caroline, Gottlieb,Wilhelmine,Johan Daniel,Johan Friederich,Christoph. All born in felicjanow or Borecznia, same as the children of my Andreas. The children were born between 1829-1847.? There is an Andreas Jesse born about 1784 married to a Siebert. ID I156195 _______________________________________________ Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv From remus at hawaii.edu Sat Dec 5 12:07:11 2009 From: remus at hawaii.edu (William Remus) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 10:07:11 -1000 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Jesswein Family Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://eclipse.sggee.org/pipermail/ger-poland-volhynia/attachments/20091205/3dcd9b02/attachment.html From wjtucholke at earthlink.net Sun Dec 6 14:52:56 2009 From: wjtucholke at earthlink.net (William Tucholkw) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:52:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Speakers & Topics for Edmonton Message-ID: <7103805.1260139976723.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://eclipse.sggee.org/pipermail/ger-poland-volhynia/attachments/20091206/e69e4198/attachment.html From gary at warnerengineering.com Mon Dec 7 15:00:57 2009 From: gary at warnerengineering.com (Gary Warner) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:00:57 -0800 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Andreas Jesse In-Reply-To: <1041225635.9889461260026064426.JavaMail.root@sz0103a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1041225635.9889461260026064426.JavaMail.root@sz0103a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B1D8929.5070904@warnerengineering.com> Tom, I am out of town for a few days, so am slow in responding to your messages. Your data has been added to the Master Pedigree Database, at least on the copy that is on my computer. In the next few weeks, I will upload the data to the website and you will see your data there. As Karl Krueger has pointed out, there are lots of duplicates in the MPD, although I hope that as time passes I will find most of them. The duplicates occur each time new data is added to the MPD that covers the same families that are already in our database. Te duplicates get merged as I have time to look at the data. Your data is a set that hopefully will be merged shortly. I looked at the several Andreas Jesse names that are in the MPD, and indeed there were two pairs that needed to be merged. The merge of those names additionally caused the merge of more than 50 members of the extended families of those two pairs. Gary Warner tomjess64 at comcast.net wrote: > > First time I am trying this so I hope I sent it correctly. > > > > I am very confused about information on Andreas Jesse. I have documentation from my father that lists Gottlieb Jesse as his grandfather and he married Eva Decker. That information is also on the master pedigree database. From there , when you look up Gottliebs father, it says Andreas Jesse, born about 1786-1790, in Borecznia/kolo, married to Rosina Grams. 6 children, Michael, Johan Samuel, Johann Gottfried, Martin, Rosina, and Gottlieb. Andreas ID is I172901. Children born between 1819-1836. > > > > If you just do a search on Andreas Jesse, 33 names come up. Looking at the ones only born around 1786-1790, there is some confusion. > > > > There is an Andreas Jesse, born 1803. ID I236429 whose mother was Anna Dorothea Grams. Possibly a cousin. I am thinking Anna Dorothea Grams and Rosina Grams were related. > > > > There is a Andreas Jesse born 1783 ID I180975 who married Anna Kristine Wendland. This the same Andreas as in ID I13083 born in 1784 who married Anna Kristine Wendland? > > > > There is an Andreas Jesse born in 1790 in Borecznia/kolo. ID I166159. Born in the same town as my Andreas. Married to Anna Rosina Schneider in 1823, 8 children, Samuel, Luise,Caroline, Gottlieb,Wilhelmine,Johan Daniel,Johan Friederich,Christoph. All born in felicjanow or Borecznia, same as the children of my Andreas. > > The children were born between 1829-1847. > > > > There is an Andreas Jesse born about 1784 married to a Siebert. ID I156195 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org > Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv > > From GPVListAdmin at sggee.org Thu Dec 10 22:18:40 2009 From: GPVListAdmin at sggee.org (Jerry Frank) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:18:40 -0700 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Uncaught bounce notification - re Family Tree Users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B21E440.5050101@sggee.org> Nelson, You have posted your message to the wrong address. It should go to ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org Jerry mailman-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org wrote: > The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce > format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted > from it. This mailing list has been configured to send all > unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s). > > For more information see: > http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/admin/ger-poland-volhynia/bounce > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Family Tree Maker users. > From: > "Nelson Itterman" > Date: > Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:23:04 -0700 > To: > > > To: > > > > Hi: > > I have a problem printing Genealogy Reports. When I ask it to print, I > only get one sheet. There is no problem printing other matters. > > Has anybody had the same problem? Any suggestions. > > Nelson > From udo-edelgard at freenet.de Sat Dec 12 07:09:06 2009 From: udo-edelgard at freenet.de (Edelgard Strobel) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:09:06 +0100 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Translation guide to 19th Century Polish Civil-Registration Message-ID: Dear fellow researchers, just found in the www: http://books.google.de/books?id=qSEBjYeyUpAC&pg=PA154&lpg=PA154&dq=maj%C4%85cy+lat+Polish&source=bl&ots=kX6--T-46f&sig=0CSwXNAsnFYI7G5FMQkzqMiP0fI&hl=de&ei=_K0jS_bCDZbAmwPN-unfBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=&f=false A Translation Guide to 19th-Century Polish-Language Civil-Registration Beginning on page 410 you can find a topical Vocabulary index. Greetings from Germany, Edelgard From edieadam at gmail.com Fri Dec 18 06:23:47 2009 From: edieadam at gmail.com (Edie Adam) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:23:47 -0500 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] KUEHN family of Volhynia Message-ID: <7EDAF1DF5D854E569B3DB82B3AFEF42F@EADAMOFFICE> Hello: I have received a request from Germany through a connection to the village of Neu Chmerin in Volhynia. The request comes from the family of HERBERT KUEHN, born 1904 in Neu Chmerin. Herbert's family left for the Ruhr area of Germany before 1930. During the second world war, the family went to Naugard in Pommern to stay with relatives and moved back to the Ruhr area after the war. Herbert's father Christoff Kuehn was born about 1850 aand married twice. The second marriage was with the sister from his deceased first wife. Her name was Justine, last name unknown. Cristoff Kuehn has had eleven children. If you can help with information, please reply directly to Hanns-Werner Sondermeier (mfloh at aol.com). Thanks. Edie Adam Alway looking for ADAM, RATZ, DAUSE from Poland/Volhynia/Russia From farose at gmail.com Fri Dec 18 20:10:38 2009 From: farose at gmail.com (F&RM Haddad) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:10:38 -0800 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] naming patterns Message-ID: I've been hearing a lot of late about determining naming patterns, and the help that can be in genealogical research. Does anyone know if there were naming patterns generally used among the Germans - either in Poland or Volhynia? (And for me - Wuerttemberg, Germany). Where does one find out about naming patterns, (serves me right for being timid about asking when I attend lectures/seminars). Rose-Marie From bronklimach at gmail.com Sat Dec 19 02:04:07 2009 From: bronklimach at gmail.com (Bronwyn Klimach) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:04:07 +0000 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] naming patterns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <129d86830912190204x6b75b1edkb15480cb2522e259@mail.gmail.com> Rose-Marie, Naming patterns can give pointers, but are far from any kind of proof in genealogy. There are some well known articles on the topic: http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm http://www.genealogy.com/35_donna.html I know one 1800s generation of my German ancestors (near Prenzlau) names every son Johann xxxx while the daughters are Johanna yyyy. It's pretty obvious they are going to be called by another of their Christian names (Rufname). http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pastgc/newsletters/march98.pdf It is also not uncommon to have 3 or 4 Christian names. One of my ancestors appears on various documents under any one of her four given names, with the surname's spelling varying wildly (e.g. Johns, Toms, Thoms). Naming patterns might give you some clues and it is good to know about them, but you will need to keep any eye on everyone in the correct location whose surname resembles the one in which you are interested. Bronwyn. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:10 AM, F&RM Haddad wrote: > I've been hearing a lot of late about determining naming patterns, and the > help that can be in genealogical research. Does anyone know if there were > naming patterns generally used among the Germans - either in Poland or > Volhynia? (And for me - Wuerttemberg, Germany). Where does one find out > about naming patterns, (serves me right for being timid about asking when I > attend lectures/seminars). > > Rose-Marie > > _______________________________________________ > Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org > Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv > From Spaghettitree at aol.com Sat Dec 19 08:45:36 2009 From: Spaghettitree at aol.com (Spaghettitree@aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:45:36 EST Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] naming patterns Message-ID: Rose-Marie - The experiences of Bronwyn and the sites she has given you are excellent - and there are many, many publications on the etymology and meaning of names, Germanic and otherwise. Like everything else, some are more accurate and detailed than others. We just cannot accept names as they are today and declare there's only one correct spelling/meaning/family for each of them. The concept of "correct spellings" is a modern one. They are collectible, rather than correctable. They vary, sometimes drastically, from time to time over many centuries and place to place and culture to culture - most emphatically when they emigrate to a place where their native language is not understood, and is in fact the subject of derision. There always have been people who have changed their birth names altogether, legally or not. Maybe they hated the names dished out to them - maybe their spouses changed them to be more "socially acceptable" - maybe some lied about their birth names to the authorities, so a death certificate indicates a different name from a birth certificate. Maybe the military arbitrarily invents a junior where none exists. All four of those applied in my family of four siblings. In the case of Germanic names, among others, a given name or surname is often the subject, all by itself, of extreme (and stupid) intolerance. That applies to me, too, on top of all the sneezing attempts to pronounce it. My life would have been different, I think, had I been allowed to choose my own name - interesting question, hmmmm? One good thing about genealogy, and these message boards, is that discussions between people of all levels of expertise are encouraged, wherever they may be, and by that one gains knowledge and insight, and one hopes, enlightenment. It does get complicated, so it's quite all right to ask, and keep asking, as you go along. We're all in this boat together (perhaps many oars are better than one?). As Bronwyn knows, names are a favorite subject of mine, and utterly fascinating. So keep hunting! T. Maureen Schoenky In a message dated 12/19/2009 2:11:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, bronklimach at gmail.com writes: Rose-Marie, Naming patterns can give pointers, but are far from any kind of proof in genealogy. There are some well known articles on the topic: http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm http://www.genealogy.com/35_donna.html I know one 1800s generation of my German ancestors (near Prenzlau) names every son Johann xxxx while the daughters are Johanna yyyy. It's pretty obvious they are going to be called by another of their Christian names (Rufname). http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pastgc/newsletters/march98.pdf It is also not uncommon to have 3 or 4 Christian names. One of my ancestors appears on various documents under any one of her four given names, with the surname's spelling varying wildly (e.g. Johns, Toms, Thoms). Naming patterns might give you some clues and it is good to know about them, but you will need to keep any eye on everyone in the correct location whose surname resembles the one in which you are interested. Bronwyn. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:10 AM, F&RM Haddad wrote: > I've been hearing a lot of late about determining naming patterns, and the > help that can be in genealogical research. Does anyone know if there were > naming patterns generally used among the Germans - either in Poland or > Volhynia? (And for me - Wuerttemberg, Germany). Where does one find out > about naming patterns, (serves me right for being timid about asking when I > attend lectures/seminars). > > Rose-Marie > > _______________________________________________ > Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org > Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv > _______________________________________________ Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv From robinquilter at gmail.com Sat Dec 19 22:15:28 2009 From: robinquilter at gmail.com (Robin Grube) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:15:28 -0800 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] naming patterns Message-ID: Hi everyone- Besides the continuation of given names within generations of a family, don't forget the influence of the given names of the godparents! Robin Grube From postfuerdirki at arcor.de Sun Dec 20 02:18:47 2009 From: postfuerdirki at arcor.de (Dirk Wagner) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:18:47 +0100 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Searching in Galizien Message-ID: HALLO to the list Now, i search Galizien, because from there much of my ancestors came from. These are the families HILLBRUNNER and HILLBRONNER, HELBIG, FRAMBACH and KNELLER. They all lived in and around Dobromil or Pietnice. My point of concern are the parents of John Walter, who was born in 1859 and died 1919 in Pietnice . I have a cath. Chirchbook entries in Latin in front of me, showing that his parents, Joannes/Johannes WALTER and Catherina LIMES called. A read error / translation error, I can exclude. OFB by Makowa, Dobromil, Bandrow Prinzenthal and I have received .... There is absolutely no clues to the origin of the parents. Prepared especially with the name LIMES headaches. I could not even come close to such a Surnames found in this area. Now my question: Does anyone have information on where a family called LIMES in Galicia have lived? On the Galicia site or database, I was certainly not looking for. Thanks and greetings from Germay (sorry for my bad english) Dirk (Wagner) From spaghettitree at aol.com Sun Dec 20 04:02:40 2009 From: spaghettitree at aol.com (spaghettitree@aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 07:02:40 EST Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] naming patterns Message-ID: <153d.6e014b35.385f6c60@aol.com> A very valid and valuable point, Robin! Thanks for reminding us; many of those sponsors, Godparents, witnesses were relatives. Maureen In a message dated 12/19/2009 10:18:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, robinquilter at gmail.com writes: Hi everyone- Besides the continuation of given names within generations of a family, don't forget the influence of the given names of the godparents! Robin Grube _______________________________________________ Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv From wmfife at telus.net Sun Dec 20 09:25:53 2009 From: wmfife at telus.net (Bill Fife) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:25:53 -0800 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] naming patterns References: Message-ID: The March 2003 SGGEE Journal has a good article on naming conventions. Bill Fife ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Grube" To: Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] naming patterns > Hi everyone- > Besides the continuation of given names within generations of a family, > don't forget the influence of the given names of the godparents! > Robin Grube > > _______________________________________________ > Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org > Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv > From maurmike1 at verizon.net Sun Dec 20 13:14:51 2009 From: maurmike1 at verizon.net (MIKE MCHENRY) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:14:51 -0500 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] naming patterns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001ca81b9$7862bc70$69283550$@net> My mother had 5 siblings. Only one had a middle name Oskar Albert. He always went by Albert. Is there a saint named Oskar. MIKE -----Original Message----- From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Bill Fife Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 12:26 PM To: Robin Grube; ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] naming patterns The March 2003 SGGEE Journal has a good article on naming conventions. Bill Fife ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Grube" To: Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] naming patterns > Hi everyone- > Besides the continuation of given names within generations of a family, > don't forget the influence of the given names of the godparents! > Robin Grube > > _______________________________________________ > Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org > Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv > _______________________________________________ Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv From ellyhuhle at earthlink.net Sun Dec 20 17:55:52 2009 From: ellyhuhle at earthlink.net (Elly Huhle) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:55:52 -0500 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ortssuche - Dunaj or Dunaje near Beruany? Message-ID: <40F59586A8A2476BB01CF61E164D412E@Elly> Hello, my name is Elly, I live in Canada and are searching for my Polish ancestors. I have a copy of a church record (marriage) from 1834 entered in the Kath. Church in Lhuta, Czech Republic (formerly Bohemia). It is stated in this record that the groom is from Russian Poland, a small place called Dunaj or Dunaje near Beruany or Breczany or Breyany. The writing is very bad and on top of it are the places written different in several documents. Todate I was not able to locate this place and hope that perhaps someone from the mailing list has heard of it. The name of my ancestor is Stepan Mazurkiewicz born in the year 1794. In a seperate document dated also in 1834 referring to my above mentioned ancestor and his upcoming marriage (located in the archive of the parish of Libice) is written, that the groom is from Russian Poland and has agreed to stay in Libice, Bohemia once the war has ended. Would anyone know what war was going on at that time? At this point I have exhausted my resources including maps, Google and ShtetlSeeker and hope that one of the members has heard of such a place. Many thanks Elly Huhle From joepessarra at suddenlink.net Sun Dec 20 19:08:23 2009 From: joepessarra at suddenlink.net (joepessarra) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:08:23 -0600 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ortssuche - Dunaj or Dunaje near Beruany? In-Reply-To: <40F59586A8A2476BB01CF61E164D412E@Elly> References: <40F59586A8A2476BB01CF61E164D412E@Elly> Message-ID: <000301ca81ea$db574360$9205ca20$@net> ShtetlSeeker has two listings for Dunaj, one is in Poland, 230.6 miles WSW of Warszawa, the other in Poland 57.2 miles NNW of Warszawa. For Beruany/, there is a Barany which is 89.9 miles ENE of the second Dunaj above. For Breczany, I could not find a match. For Breyany, I could not find a match. Sorry, not a lot of help, but a possibility. Is it possible to send a copy of the paperwork directly to me? Someone else on the list server might be able to help you also, if they can look at the paperwork. There was a war called the Polish Revolt, but this was about from 1830-1831. Probably not the one referred to in the paperwork. Good luck. Joe in Texas -----Original Message----- From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Elly Huhle Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 7:56 PM To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ortssuche - Dunaj or Dunaje near Beruany? Hello, my name is Elly, I live in Canada and are searching for my Polish ancestors. I have a copy of a church record (marriage) from 1834 entered in the Kath. Church in Lhuta, Czech Republic (formerly Bohemia). It is stated in this record that the groom is from Russian Poland, a small place called Dunaj or Dunaje near Beruany or Breczany or Breyany. The writing is very bad and on top of it are the places written different in several documents. Todate I was not able to locate this place and hope that perhaps someone from the mailing list has heard of it. The name of my ancestor is Stepan Mazurkiewicz born in the year 1794. In a seperate document dated also in 1834 referring to my above mentioned ancestor and his upcoming marriage (located in the archive of the parish of Libice) is written, that the groom is from Russian Poland and has agreed to stay in Libice, Bohemia once the war has ended. Would anyone know what war was going on at that time? At this point I have exhausted my resources including maps, Google and ShtetlSeeker and hope that one of the members has heard of such a place. Many thanks Elly Huhle _______________________________________________ Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv From krampetz at aol.com Sun Dec 20 19:30:47 2009 From: krampetz at aol.com (krampetz@aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:30:47 EST Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wars was:Ortssuche - Dunaj or Dunaje near Beruany? Message-ID: <1540d.16529fcb.386045e7@aol.com> Is there a list of all the "wars" or uprisings in the Polish partitions? Bob In a message dated 12/20/2009 7:10:38 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, joepessarra at suddenlink.net writes: There was a war called the Polish Revolt, but this was about from 1830-1831. Probably not the one referred to in the paperwork. From joepessarra at suddenlink.net Sun Dec 20 19:36:25 2009 From: joepessarra at suddenlink.net (joepessarra) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:36:25 -0600 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ortssuche - Dunaj or Dunaje near Beruany? In-Reply-To: <40F59586A8A2476BB01CF61E164D412E@Elly> References: <40F59586A8A2476BB01CF61E164D412E@Elly> Message-ID: <000f01ca81ee$c5e047d0$51a0d770$@net> Here is a site you might go to for information about the Mazurkiewicz surname. http://mazurkiewicz.com/index2.html Joe in Texas -----Original Message----- From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Elly Huhle Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 7:56 PM To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ortssuche - Dunaj or Dunaje near Beruany? Hello, my name is Elly, I live in Canada and are searching for my Polish ancestors. I have a copy of a church record (marriage) from 1834 entered in the Kath. Church in Lhuta, Czech Republic (formerly Bohemia). It is stated in this record that the groom is from Russian Poland, a small place called Dunaj or Dunaje near Beruany or Breczany or Breyany. The writing is very bad and on top of it are the places written different in several documents. Todate I was not able to locate this place and hope that perhaps someone from the mailing list has heard of it. The name of my ancestor is Stepan Mazurkiewicz born in the year 1794. In a seperate document dated also in 1834 referring to my above mentioned ancestor and his upcoming marriage (located in the archive of the parish of Libice) is written, that the groom is from Russian Poland and has agreed to stay in Libice, Bohemia once the war has ended. Would anyone know what war was going on at that time? At this point I have exhausted my resources including maps, Google and ShtetlSeeker and hope that one of the members has heard of such a place. Many thanks Elly Huhle _______________________________________________ Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv From joepessarra at suddenlink.net Sun Dec 20 19:43:28 2009 From: joepessarra at suddenlink.net (joepessarra) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:43:28 -0600 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wars was:Ortssuche - Dunaj or Dunaje near Beruany? In-Reply-To: <1540d.16529fcb.386045e7@aol.com> References: <1540d.16529fcb.386045e7@aol.com> Message-ID: <001001ca81ef$c24bb9f0$46e32dd0$@net> Bob, Here is one site that has a listing of wars by country, date, region, and type. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars Hope that helps. Joe in Texas -----Original Message----- From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of krampetz at aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 9:31 PM To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wars was:Ortssuche - Dunaj or Dunaje near Beruany? Is there a list of all the "wars" or uprisings in the Polish partitions? Bob In a message dated 12/20/2009 7:10:38 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, joepessarra at suddenlink.net writes: There was a war called the Polish Revolt, but this was about from 1830-1831. Probably not the one referred to in the paperwork. _______________________________________________ Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv From ceo at ametric.com Mon Dec 21 06:50:42 2009 From: ceo at ametric.com (John Bettger) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:50:42 -0500 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] naming patterns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is a German book on the subject titled "dtv-Atlas, Namenkunde, Vor-und Familiennamen im deutschen Sprachgebiet"" Best Regards John Leon Bettger email address ceo at ametric.com Researching Waterloo South Russia (Stavki Ukraine) Odessa (city) South Russia (Odessa Ukraine) at 67 Ekaterininskaya Square (at the top of Potemkin Steps) Slowik (near Lodz) Koenigreich Poland/South Prussia, Gruenstadt Bavaria (Worms Germany), Westlau Germany, Neubrandenburg, Mecklenburg-Strelitz Prussia/Germany NAMES: Bettger, Boettcher, Huhn, Schindler, Heuter -----Original Message----- From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of F&RM Haddad Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 11:11 PM To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] naming patterns I've been hearing a lot of late about determining naming patterns, and the help that can be in genealogical research. Does anyone know if there were naming patterns generally used among the Germans - either in Poland or Volhynia? (And for me - Wuerttemberg, Germany). Where does one find out about naming patterns, (serves me right for being timid about asking when I attend lectures/seminars). Rose-Marie _______________________________________________ Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv From GHBoehm at ish.de Mon Dec 21 10:04:11 2009 From: GHBoehm at ish.de (=?UTF-8?B?R8O8bnRoZXIgQsO2aG0=?=) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:04:11 +0100 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ortssuche - Dunaj or Dunaje near Beruany? In-Reply-To: <40F59586A8A2476BB01CF61E164D412E@Elly> References: <40F59586A8A2476BB01CF61E164D412E@Elly> Message-ID: <4B2FB89B.500@ish.de> Elly Huhle schrieb: > Hello, my name is Elly, I live in Canada and are searching for my Polish ancestors. > I have a copy of a church record (marriage) from 1834 entered in the Kath. Church in Lhuta, Czech Republic (formerly Bohemia). > It is stated in this record that the groom is from Russian Poland, a small place called Dunaj or Dunaje near Beruany or Breczany or Breyany. The writing is very bad and on top of it are the places written different in several documents. > Todate I was not able to locate this place and hope that perhaps someone from the mailing list has heard of it. > The name of my ancestor is Stepan Mazurkiewicz born in the year 1794. > > In a seperate document dated also in 1834 referring to my above mentioned ancestor and his upcoming marriage (located in the archive of the parish of Libice) is written, that the groom is from Russian Poland and has agreed to stay in Libice, Bohemia once the war has ended. > Would anyone know what war was going on at that time? > At this point I have exhausted my resources including maps, Google and ShtetlSeeker and hope that one of the members has heard of such a place. > > Many thanks > > Elly Huhle > Hello Elly, Brze?any [now Berezany] was a district capital in the former Austrian "Kronland Galizien", not in Russian Poland. But I can't find any Dunaj od Dunaje nearby. A Francziszek MAZURKIEWICZ lived in Wiktor?wka near Kozowa [Kozova], Brze?any district. This Wiktor?wka is 20 km east of Brze?any. About halfway between them is a village Dubszcze [now Dybsce]. This is the most similar name I can find in the environment of Brze?any. G?nther From janhemmings at earthlink.net Mon Dec 21 16:28:14 2009 From: janhemmings at earthlink.net (Jan Hemmings) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:28:14 -0500 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ukranian immigrants calling themselves Russian In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I may be totally looking the wrong place by asking your group, but I am looking for information for my stepfather, Alfred Gerlinsky, whose grandfather, Jacob Gerlinsky (or then sonetimes, Gerlinski), immigrated to Canda, to Saskatchewan. He arrived in Montreal in 1904, and settled in Saskatchewan by 1905, with his wife Barbara and several children, Matilda, Martin, Valentin.... Jacob said in the census that they were all born in Russia, but Alfred says, Ekatarinslav, Mariopol. All I can find is Mariupol in the Ukraine, and of course, Gerlinsky is a Slavic name. Is there any way of finding anything more about this family before they went to Canada? Thanks, Jan Hemmings From roseingram at shaw.ca Mon Dec 21 17:30:03 2009 From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:30:03 -0800 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ukranian immigrants calling themselves Russian References: Message-ID: <001b01ca82a6$491d7610$6601a8c0@duocore> Jan, Was this family Mennonite? Ekaterinoslav Gubernia is in Russia. This webpage may help you. http://www.gameo.org/encyclopedia/contents/E496.html Rose ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan Hemmings To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ukranian immigrants calling themselves Russian I may be totally looking the wrong place by asking your group, but I am looking for information for my stepfather, Alfred Gerlinsky, whose grandfather, Jacob Gerlinsky (or then sonetimes, Gerlinski), immigrated to Canda, to Saskatchewan. He arrived in Montreal in 1904, and settled in Saskatchewan by 1905, with his wife Barbara and several children, Matilda, Martin, Valentin.... Jacob said in the census that they were all born in Russia, but Alfred says, Ekatarinslav, Mariopol. All I can find is Mariupol in the Ukraine, and of course, Gerlinsky is a Slavic name. Is there any way of finding anything more about this family before they went to Canada? Thanks, Jan Hemmings _______________________________________________ Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv From joepessarra at suddenlink.net Mon Dec 21 17:31:43 2009 From: joepessarra at suddenlink.net (joepessarra) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:31:43 -0600 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] FW: Ukranian immigrants calling themselves Russian Message-ID: <000601ca82a6$8508aa00$8f19fe00$@net> Jan, Take a look for Ekatarinslav at the JewishGen ShtetlSeeker at http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp Ekatarinslav is in the Ukraine. If you look for Mariopol in the Ukraine using ShtetlSeeker, and try to find it in relation to the coordinates of Ekatarinslav, you will find a Mariapol that is only 56.5 miles from Ekatarinslav, and a Miropol that is only 45.7 miles from Ekatarinslav. Ekatarinslav is now named Dnipropetrovsk. Not a lot of help, but it looks like either Mariapol, or Miropol could be the town you are searching for. Good luck. Joe in Texas, USA -----Original Message----- From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Jan Hemmings Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 6:28 PM To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ukranian immigrants calling themselves Russian I may be totally looking the wrong place by asking your group, but I am looking for information for my stepfather, Alfred Gerlinsky, whose grandfather, Jacob Gerlinsky (or then sonetimes, Gerlinski), immigrated to Canda, to Saskatchewan. He arrived in Montreal in 1904, and settled in Saskatchewan by 1905, with his wife Barbara and several children, Matilda, Martin, Valentin.... Jacob said in the census that they were all born in Russia, but Alfred says, Ekatarinslav, Mariopol. All I can find is Mariupol in the Ukraine, and of course, Gerlinsky is a Slavic name. Is there any way of finding anything more about this family before they went to Canada? Thanks, Jan Hemmings _______________________________________________ Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca Mon Dec 21 19:03:36 2009 From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:03:36 -0700 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ukranian immigrants calling themselves Russian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B303708.5040705@shaw.ca> Jan, You have already received some advice pinpointing the locations. There is no issue regarding Ukraine vs. Russia as this region was under Russian rule prior to WW I and under Soviet rule after. This region is not generally covered by our Society but there are probably readers on this list who can point you to more fruitful resources. For example, someone else has done some research on another branch of this family with the listing at http://www.ahsgr.org/gedlist/Geor-Getz.htm . You could try writing to AHSGR to see if they would give you the name of that researcher. Though that info is with AHSGR, the region is covered in more detail by GRHS - see http://www.grhs.org . Though the name may sound Slavic, it could still very well be German. Many Slavic sounding surnames - such as Girschewski, Kowalski, etc. - are used by Germans. Some are derivations like Gershewski from Gersch while others are translations like Kowalski from Schmidt. Was the family Catholic? I do not see the name in Lutheran records from that region. Jerry Frank Calgary, AB Jan Hemmings wrote: > I may be totally looking the wrong place by asking your group, but I am > looking for information for my stepfather, Alfred Gerlinsky, whose > grandfather, Jacob Gerlinsky (or then sonetimes, Gerlinski), immigrated to > Canda, to Saskatchewan. He arrived in Montreal in 1904, and settled in > Saskatchewan by 1905, with his wife Barbara and several children, Matilda, > Martin, Valentin.... > > Jacob said in the census that they were all born in > Russia, but Alfred says, Ekatarinslav, Mariopol. All I can find is Mariupol > in the Ukraine, and of course, Gerlinsky is a Slavic name. Is there any way > of finding anything more about this family before they went to Canada? > Thanks, > Jan Hemmings > > > > > From otto at schienke.com Mon Dec 21 19:08:29 2009 From: otto at schienke.com (Otto) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:08:29 -0500 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] A Question. . .KASSEBOHM Message-ID: <17776C57-8780-4C95-BE75-DE0E42F769BF@schienke.com> The area in question: Mecklenburg/Vorpommern The city Rostock/village KASSEBOHM The situation: A retired individual from Oslo, Norway (forefathers moved there) and I are comparing DNA haplogroups because they are similar. His group is R1b1b2a1a1d*, mine R1b1b2a1a1*. He informed me his forefathers were Frisians that had settled in Mecklenburg. The village/dorf was named after a cherry tree planted by them "kassebohm". It appears many took the name of the dorf as a surname. The individual's surname is "Kasbohm". The dorf was part of a Rittersgut (knight's estate or land holdings). He has compared gene markers with others of the same surname and they are not related. I explained the above naming procedure to him. He sees the necessity of a paper trail to prove out who is related to him (the genetic testing can then take place). His request: "I would indeed appreciate your comments upon the info mentioned above and your advice upon how to proceed if there is any hope to obtain more knowledge about the Kasbohms living in Mecklenburg in the years before 1728." My question: Can anyone inform me if information exists so I can reply to his request. I certainly would appreciate it. (By the way, we have similar genes but are not related) . . . Otto " The Zen moment..." wk. of January 04, 2009- ________________________________ "The future. . . . always catches up." From frank_janke at yahoo.de Tue Dec 22 03:13:31 2009 From: frank_janke at yahoo.de (Frank Janke) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:13:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Susanna Janke Message-ID: <997676.86026.qm@web28504.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hallo, ? I wonder if anyone can help me - Susanna Jubin was born 27.2.1886 in Ludwinow, her mother was 34 years old - Anna Christina Jubin born Janke. Any further Information about Anna Christina Jubin/Janke would be appreciated. Question are - who were?there parents - where from she came? When settled in Ludwinow? Best regards Frank Janke __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verf?gt ?ber einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com From joepessarra at suddenlink.net Tue Dec 22 06:24:51 2009 From: joepessarra at suddenlink.net (joepessarra) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:24:51 -0600 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Susanna Janke In-Reply-To: <997676.86026.qm@web28504.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <997676.86026.qm@web28504.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01ca8312$867672c0$93635840$@net> Frank, ShtetlSeeker at http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp finds in Eastern Europe 18 Ludwinow locations in Poland, and 1 location in Lithuania. Do you know for sure which Ludinow you are referencing? Joe in Texas -----Original Message----- From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Frank Janke Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 5:14 AM To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Susanna Janke Hallo, ? I wonder if anyone can help me - Susanna Jubin was born 27.2.1886 in Ludwinow, her mother was 34 years old - Anna Christina Jubin born Janke. Any further Information about Anna Christina Jubin/Janke would be appreciated. Question are - who were?there parents - where from she came? When settled in Ludwinow? Best regards Frank Janke __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verf?gt ?ber einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv From nancygertner at mac.com Tue Dec 22 06:28:03 2009 From: nancygertner at mac.com (Nancy Gertner) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:28:03 -0600 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ukranian immigrants - Russian from Mariupoler Kolonien; Gerlinski/y; 1862 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <88023C9C-6A60-42A4-BAA5-383DCABBE631@mac.com> Try searches at Odessa. http://www.odessa3.org/search.html Use this as the search string: gerlins* and try the different search categories for the data. Here is the result from the data category: cemeteries. Scroll further for the results on data category 'history books,' which is more of interest since it relates to Mariupol Colony, where my Lutheran ancestors Gartner / Gaertner came from. I do not find the Gerlinsky / Gerlinski surname in my data on my computer, so they may not be in Lutheran church records with St. Petersburg archives. Using Google and searching using Gerlinski and Mariupol also yields an interesting hit: http://74.125.95.132/search? q=cache:Jo62QlmBz_cJ:www.mennonitehistory.org/projects/resources/ file_inventories/1836-1839_german.pdf+gerlinski +mariupol&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us shows this: "Jakob Gerlinski, Schulze der K. Kaiserdorf" [where K. = Kolonie?] Looks like this reference has data from 1799 - 1876. Nancy in Minnesota ancestors from Mariupol Colony include Gartner / Gaertner, Hochbaum, Deutschmann, Neufeld, Lindemann, Steinborn, Zuter - - - - For the query, gerlins*, of category Cemeteries File: 156,011 Rural Municipality of Happy Land #231 Saskatchewan (E. Morrison) Fenrich, Anna: 4 years, 2 months, died 7 Apr 1918 Geikner: 3 years, 6 months, died 7 Feb 1913 Gerlinski, Gottlieb: 1865/18 Feb 1920 Grismer, Georg: 3 months, died 29 Jul 1921 Hammel, Leonhard: - - - - For the query, gerlins*, of category History Books File: 237,615 Grunau und die Mariupoler Kolonien (J. Stach) Occurrence #1, Line 4156 13. Goettland: Joh. Malachinski, I. Froess, I. Froess d. a., Joh. Zerf, Mich. Fortowski, Joh. Bojarski, I. Lunewski, Mich. Zerf, Mart. Kosakowski, Paul Gerlinski, Pet. Gerlinski, Mich. Torunski .................... 12 [Goettland appears to be a geographic reference in this reference. Click on the Blue file name title above to se the reference in German language. I think the data is from year 1862, if I interpreted it correctly from German.]ng > 13. Goettland: Joh. Malachinski, I. Froess, I. Froess d. a., Joh. > Zerf, Mich. > Fortowski, Joh. Bojarski, I. Lunewski, Mich. Zerf, Mart. > Kosakowski, > Paul Gerlinski, Pet. Gerlinski, Mich. > Torunski .................... 12 Occurrence #2, Line 4624 Gaertner, Jak. 70. Gang, David 71. Gedtke g. Gaedtke. Geinsheimer, Chr. 72. Gerlinski, Paul 71. Gerlinski, Peter 71. Germien, Jak. 71. Germien, Peter 70. Gerstenberger, Friedrich 70. Gettke 49. - - - - Searching data category 'war records,' there are many hits for EWZ files with spelling Gerlinski and some Gerlinske. This data includes references to geographic data that would relate to 1940s locations for the family members. EWZ records are applications to return to the German homeland. The geo reference MAY be the place where the application was submitted. I can't remember if it's the place of residence for the person. On Dec 21, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Jan Hemmings wrote: > I am > looking for information for my stepfather, Alfred Gerlinsky, whose > grandfather, Jacob Gerlinsky (or then sonetimes, Gerlinski), > immigrated to > Canda, to Saskatchewan. He arrived in Montreal in 1904, and settled in > Saskatchewan by 1905, with his wife Barbara and several children, > Matilda, > Martin, Valentin.... > > Jacob said in the census that they were all born in > Russia, but Alfred says, Ekatarinslav, Mariopol. All I can find is > Mariupol > in the Ukraine, and of course, Gerlinsky is a Slavic name. Is there > any way > of finding anything more about this family before they went to Canada? > Thanks, > Jan Hemmings > From perry1121 at aol.com Tue Dec 22 06:34:03 2009 From: perry1121 at aol.com (perry1121@aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:34:03 -0500 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Susanna Janke In-Reply-To: <997676.86026.qm@web28504.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <997676.86026.qm@web28504.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC512AF1894204-1B9C-F342@webmail-m054.sysops.aol.com> Hello Frank, If you look in the database index on the SGGEE website for records found in the Lublin Trinity Evangelical Church, you will see that Susanna's birth to Anna Christina Jubin born Janke is listed there: http://www.sggee.org/research/parishes/lublin_records/LublinBirth.html Under a birth search, put Jubin in the primary surname box and Janke in the mother's surname box. You will see that several children are listed. You may order these digital records from the church in Lublin. Instructions are on the website in English and German. Follow the links. There may be death records or marriage records related to this family; often those records give information about births in other locations before the family moved to the Lublin area. Please note that the records for this time will be in Cyrillic because the area was under Russian authority. The Lublin Project volunteers have indexed about a third of the records that have been digitized. We will be adding data about every four months. Regards, Sigrid Pohl Perry -----Original Message----- From: Frank Janke To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org Sent: Tue, Dec 22, 2009 5:13 am Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Susanna Janke Hallo, I wonder if anyone can help me - Susanna Jubin was born 27.2.1886 in Ludwinow, her mother was 34 years old - Anna Christina Jubin born Janke. Any further Information about Anna Christina Jubin/Janke would be appreciated. Question are - who were there parents - where from she came? When settled in Ludwinow? Best regards Frank Janke __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verf?gt ?ber einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv From kander25 at cableone.net Tue Dec 22 09:39:48 2009 From: kander25 at cableone.net (kander25@cableone.net) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:39:48 -0700 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Susanna Janke Message-ID: <60123.1261503588@cableone.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://eclipse.sggee.org/pipermail/ger-poland-volhynia/attachments/20091222/1b2a4e96/attachment.html From gary at warnerengineering.com Tue Dec 22 08:38:06 2009 From: gary at warnerengineering.com (Gary Warner) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:38:06 -0800 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Susanna Janke In-Reply-To: <997676.86026.qm@web28504.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <997676.86026.qm@web28504.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B30F5EE.7060209@warnerengineering.com> Frank, In addition to the Lublin records that Sigrid has pointed you toward, we also have Christine Janke (born 4 Jan 1852 in Janowica, dies in Ludwinow) married to Gottfried Jubin (born 28 Nov 1854 in Janowica, dies in Ludwinow). This data apparently from the EWZ record of son Rudolf. Gary Warner Frank Janke wrote: > Hallo, > > I wonder if anyone can help me - Susanna Jubin was born 27.2.1886 in Ludwinow, her mother was 34 years old - Anna Christina Jubin born Janke. > Any further Information about Anna Christina Jubin/Janke would be appreciated. > Question are - who were there parents - where from she came? When settled in Ludwinow? > Best regards > Frank Janke > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verf?gt ?ber einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org > Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv > > From otto at schienke.com Tue Dec 22 08:48:02 2009 From: otto at schienke.com (Otto) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:48:02 -0500 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Susanna Janke In-Reply-To: <60123.1261503588@cableone.net> References: <60123.1261503588@cableone.net> Message-ID: <059BBB73-8207-4711-9B02-82323949AAEB@schienke.com> "Janke" is an echte (genuine) Frisian surname. (little John or son of John) Pronounced "Yahn-keh" The "ke" suffix is Plattdeutsch (a diminutive),(flat-land German or Low German) The J"a"n-ke vowel generates a variation of spellings. It can be spelled "Janke, Jenke, Jahnke, Jehnke" and so on. A Susanna Janke was the mother of my uncle, Albert Roll, who was married to my Dad's older sister Anna Schienke. The migration was up the Vistula/Weichsel/Wisla river south, usually from the Gdansk/Danzig area or Pommern/Pomerania. The migration was stimulated by the opening of new Prussian territories. I would look to the Posen and Dobriner-land areas of Evangelische Augsburgische (Lutheran) settlements. On Dec 22, 2009, at 12:39 PM, kander25 at cableone.net wrote: > Frank -- > > The -ke name ending is rather characteristic of what is now northern > Poland, including Pomerania, which is along the Baltic. This doesn't > help much for Jubin, but you could try alternate spellings of Janke > such as Jahnke and see if you can find something about Anna > Christina. There are 2 places named Ludwinow(o) very close to the > former German city of Posen, now Poznan in Poland, according to > kartenmeister.com. Is it possible they came from that region? > > Karen > > > On Tue Dec 22 14:24 , "joepessarra" sent: > > > Frank, > > ShtetlSeeker at http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp > finds in > Eastern Europe 18 Ludwinow locations in Poland, and 1 location in > Lithuania. > Do you know for sure which Ludinow you are referencing? > > Joe in Texas > > -----Original Message----- > From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org > [ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org','','','')">ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org > ] On Behalf Of Frank > Janke > Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 5:14 AM > To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org > Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Susanna Janke > > Hallo, > > I wonder if anyone can help me - Susanna Jubin was born 27.2.1886 in > Ludwinow, her mother was 34 years old - Anna Christina Jubin born > Janke. > Any further Information about Anna Christina Jubin/Janke would be > appreciated. > Question are - who were there parents - where from she came? When > settled in > Ludwinow? > Best regards > Frank Janke . . . Otto " The Zen moment..." wk. of January 04, 2009- ________________________________ "The future. . . . always catches up." From cgschott at comcast.net Tue Dec 22 09:44:14 2009 From: cgschott at comcast.net (Carolyn Schott) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:44:14 -0800 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Gerlinski In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jan, Try the "KET" (Kherson/Ekaterinoslaw/Taurien) Regional Interest Group at GRHS - see http://grhs.org/rig/ket/html/about_us.html. I don't think we have too much info online for this area, but if you click on the "Contact Us" you'll get email addresses for a couple of people (Tim Janzen and Deb Beick) who know a lot about researching in this area. If you contact them, I'll bet they can give you some good clues. Also, when I search in the Genealogy Database at GRHS http://www.grhs.org/genealogy.htm for Gerlinski/sky/skij, I get about 13 hits, all in the EWZ-50 records. I don't see Alfred or Jacob, which makes sense since they would already have been in Canada when those EWZ forms would have been filled out (about 1944). But there could be some relatives or connections in there. The locations that come up for those Gerlinski/sky/skij are Eichenwald, Ordshonikidse, Gottland, Karan/Karein and a handful of other locations. The Odessa site also has some Mariupol St. Pete records, but they're back in the 1830s, so may be too early for you to make a connection. http://www.odessa3.org/collections/stpete/mariupol/ Carolyn Schott > >Message: 4 >Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:03:36 -0700 >From: Jerry Frank >Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ukranian immigrants calling > themselves Russian >To: Jan Hemmings >Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org >Message-ID: <4B303708.5040705 at shaw.ca> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Jan, > >You have already received some advice pinpointing the >locations. There is no issue regarding Ukraine vs. Russia as >this region was under Russian rule prior to WW I and under >Soviet rule after. > >This region is not generally covered by our Society but there >are probably readers on this list who can point you to more >fruitful resources. For example, someone else has done some >research on another branch of this family with the listing at >http://www.ahsgr.org/gedlist/Geor-Getz.htm . You could try >writing to AHSGR to see if they would give you the name of >that researcher. > >Though that info is with AHSGR, the region is covered in more >detail by GRHS - see http://www.grhs.org . > >Though the name may sound Slavic, it could still very well be German. >Many Slavic sounding surnames - such as Girschewski, Kowalski, >etc. - are used by Germans. Some are derivations like >Gershewski from Gersch while others are translations like >Kowalski from Schmidt. > >Was the family Catholic? I do not see the name in Lutheran >records from that region. > > >Jerry Frank >Calgary, AB > > > >Jan Hemmings wrote: >> I may be totally looking the wrong place by asking your >group, but I am >> looking for information for my stepfather, Alfred Gerlinsky, whose >> grandfather, Jacob Gerlinsky (or then sonetimes, Gerlinski), >immigrated to >> Canda, to Saskatchewan. He arrived in Montreal in 1904, and >settled in >> Saskatchewan by 1905, with his wife Barbara and several >children, Matilda, >> Martin, Valentin.... >> >> Jacob said in the census that they were all born in >> Russia, but Alfred says, Ekatarinslav, Mariopol. All I can >find is Mariupol >> in the Ukraine, and of course, Gerlinsky is a Slavic name. >Is there any way >> of finding anything more about this family before they went >to Canada? >> Thanks, >> Jan Hemmings >> >> From janhemmings at earthlink.net Tue Dec 22 17:55:05 2009 From: janhemmings at earthlink.net (Jan Hemmings) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:55:05 -0500 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ukranian immigrants - Russian from Mariupoler Kolonien; Gerlinski/y; 1862 In-Reply-To: <88023C9C-6A60-42A4-BAA5-383DCABBE631@mac.com> Message-ID: This is amazing! I am so happy for all of the help people have given me, and for these references, especially. Alfred's ancestors in Canada were Catholic, so that explains why there are no Gerlinskis in the Lutheran references. But I am so thrilled with the Jacob Gerlinski citations in Mariupol! I have two daughters who speak German, so I look forward to seeing them for Christmas for help with this! And Nancy, thanks so much! I really thought it was not possible to do research outside of Canada or the States! Another things that is amazing is that in one of these references, there are Germins and Froesses, two families that settled in the same colony (they were called a colony in Canada, too) in Saskatchewan when Jacob Gerlinksi went there, and that his family intermarried with! The plot thickens! Thanks so much, Jan Hemmings =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > From: Nancy Gertner > Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:28:03 -0600 > To: Jan Hemmings > Cc: "ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org" > > Subject: Re: Ukranian immigrants - Russian from Mariupoler Kolonien; > Gerlinski/y; 1862 > > Try searches at Odessa. > > http://www.odessa3.org/search.html > > Use this as the search string: > > gerlins* > > and try the different search categories for the data. > > Here is the result from the data category: cemeteries. > > Scroll further for the results on data category 'history books,' > which is more of interest since it relates to Mariupol Colony, where > my Lutheran ancestors Gartner / Gaertner came from. I do not find > the Gerlinsky / Gerlinski surname in my data on my computer, so they > may not be in Lutheran church records with St. Petersburg archives. > > Using Google and searching using Gerlinski and Mariupol also yields > an interesting hit: > > http://74.125.95.132/search? > q=cache:Jo62QlmBz_cJ:www.mennonitehistory.org/projects/resources/ > file_inventories/1836-1839_german.pdf+gerlinski > +mariupol&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us > > shows this: "Jakob Gerlinski, Schulze der K. Kaiserdorf" > [where K. = Kolonie?] > > Looks like this reference has data from 1799 - 1876. > > Nancy in Minnesota > ancestors from Mariupol Colony include Gartner / Gaertner, Hochbaum, > Deutschmann, Neufeld, Lindemann, Steinborn, Zuter > - - - - > > For the query, gerlins*, of category Cemeteries > > File: 156,011 Rural Municipality of Happy Land #231 Saskatchewan > (E. Morrison) > > Fenrich, Anna: 4 years, 2 months, died 7 Apr 1918 > Geikner: 3 years, 6 months, died 7 Feb 1913 > Gerlinski, Gottlieb: 1865/18 Feb 1920 > Grismer, Georg: 3 months, died 29 Jul 1921 > Hammel, Leonhard: > > - - - - > > For the query, gerlins*, of category History Books > > File: 237,615 Grunau und die Mariupoler Kolonien (J. Stach) > > Occurrence #1, Line 4156 > 13. Goettland: Joh. Malachinski, I. Froess, I. Froess d. a., Joh. > Zerf, Mich. > Fortowski, Joh. Bojarski, I. Lunewski, Mich. Zerf, Mart. > Kosakowski, > Paul Gerlinski, Pet. Gerlinski, Mich. > Torunski .................... 12 > [Goettland appears to be a geographic reference in this reference. > Click on the Blue file name title above to se the reference in German > language. I think the data is from year 1862, if I interpreted it > correctly from German.]ng > >> 13. Goettland: Joh. Malachinski, I. Froess, I. Froess d. a., Joh. >> Zerf, Mich. >> Fortowski, Joh. Bojarski, I. Lunewski, Mich. Zerf, Mart. >> Kosakowski, >> Paul Gerlinski, Pet. Gerlinski, Mich. >> Torunski .................... 12 > > Occurrence #2, Line 4624 > Gaertner, Jak. 70. > Gang, David 71. > Gedtke g. Gaedtke. > Geinsheimer, Chr. 72. > Gerlinski, Paul 71. > Gerlinski, Peter 71. > Germien, Jak. 71. > Germien, Peter 70. > Gerstenberger, Friedrich 70. > Gettke 49. > - - - - > Searching data category 'war records,' there are many hits for EWZ > files with spelling Gerlinski and some Gerlinske. This data includes > references to geographic data that would relate to 1940s locations > for the family members. EWZ records are applications to return to > the German homeland. The geo reference MAY be the place where the > application was submitted. I can't remember if it's the place of > residence for the person. > > On Dec 21, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Jan Hemmings wrote: > >> I am >> looking for information for my stepfather, Alfred Gerlinsky, whose >> grandfather, Jacob Gerlinsky (or then sonetimes, Gerlinski), >> immigrated to >> Canda, to Saskatchewan. He arrived in Montreal in 1904, and settled in >> Saskatchewan by 1905, with his wife Barbara and several children, >> Matilda, >> Martin, Valentin.... >> >> Jacob said in the census that they were all born in >> Russia, but Alfred says, Ekatarinslav, Mariopol. All I can find is >> Mariupol >> in the Ukraine, and of course, Gerlinsky is a Slavic name. Is there >> any way >> of finding anything more about this family before they went to Canada? >> Thanks, >> Jan Hemmings >> > From roseingram at shaw.ca Tue Dec 22 18:31:36 2009 From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:31:36 -0800 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ukranian immigrants - Russian from Mariupoler Kolonien; Gerlinski/y; 1862 References: Message-ID: <001801ca8378$0ceaf780$6601a8c0@duocore> Wonderful news Jan !! There is a lady at my FHC who is researching the name Germin. They were Catholic too. She believes her family is from Sea of Azov area. I will ask her in the new year if Gerlinski's are connected to her family somewhere. Rose Ingram From: Jan Hemmings Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 5:55 PM This is amazing! I am so happy for all of the help people have given me, and for these references, especially. Alfred's ancestors in Canada were Catholic, so that explains why there are no Gerlinskis in the Lutheran references. But I am so thrilled with the Jacob Gerlinski citations in Mariupol! I have two daughters who speak German, so I look forward to seeing them for Christmas for help with this! And Nancy, thanks so much! I really thought it was not possible to do research outside of Canada or the States! Another things that is amazing is that in one of these references, there are Germins and Froesses, two families that settled in the same colony (they were called a colony in Canada, too) in Saskatchewan when Jacob Gerlinksi went there, and that his family intermarried with! The plot thickens! Thanks so much, Jan Hemmings =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From roseingram at shaw.ca Thu Dec 24 12:10:55 2009 From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:10:55 -0800 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Christmas Greetings Message-ID: <007201ca84d5$334104c0$6601a8c0@duocore> Merry Christmas to all the genelogical buddies and 'cousins' on the listserve. If anyone has free time to do some genelogy over the weekend, the following may interest some of you. "Just a quick note to let you know that WorldVitalRecords.com wants to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas. They have opened free access to their website from 23 Dec. until 28 Dec. 2009. You need to click on the link below to sign up. (No credit card required)" http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/email/promotional/WVRGift/xmas_lp_free.html Rose Ingram From marlo50 at bex.net Thu Dec 24 12:34:55 2009 From: marlo50 at bex.net (marlo) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:34:55 -0500 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Christmas Greetings References: <007201ca84d5$334104c0$6601a8c0@duocore> Message-ID: <105C0F0A1BA24C719A2E58C40A26B556@margaret46066b> I would not count this as free when they want all the information about applying for paid membership before you can access anything. I do not put information on the internet so they can access my creditcard as they choose. As I said, some offer. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Ingram" To: "GPV List" Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Christmas Greetings > Merry Christmas to all the genelogical buddies and 'cousins' on the > listserve. > > > If anyone has free time to do some genelogy over the weekend, the > following may interest some of you. > > "Just a quick note to let you know that WorldVitalRecords.com wants to > wish everyone a very Merry Christmas. They have opened free access to > their website from 23 Dec. until 28 Dec. 2009. You need to click on the > link below to sign up. (No credit card required)" > > http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/email/promotional/WVRGift/xmas_lp_free.html > > Rose Ingram > > _______________________________________________ > Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org > Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.430 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2585 - Release Date: 12/24/09 08:11:00 -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.430 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2585 - Release Date: 12/24/09 08:11:00 From munchau at telusplanet.net Thu Dec 24 13:31:11 2009 From: munchau at telusplanet.net (a.m.) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:31:11 -0700 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Christmas Greetings References: <007201ca84d5$334104c0$6601a8c0@duocore> Message-ID: It only asks for name, phone number, email address and a sign-in password. The e-mail address can be a temporary throw-away. THEY DO NOT ASK FOR A CREDIT CARD. Arnold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Ingram" To: "GPV List" Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 1:10 PM Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Christmas Greetings Merry Christmas to all the genelogical buddies and 'cousins' on the listserve. If anyone has free time to do some genelogy over the weekend, the following may interest some of you. "Just a quick note to let you know that WorldVitalRecords.com wants to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas. They have opened free access to their website from 23 Dec. until 28 Dec. 2009. You need to click on the link below to sign up. (No credit card required)" http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/email/promotional/WVRGift/xmas_lp_free.html Rose Ingram _______________________________________________ Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv From colnels at telus.net Thu Dec 24 14:46:32 2009 From: colnels at telus.net (Nelson Itterman) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:46:32 -0700 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Christmas Greetings In-Reply-To: References: <007201ca84d5$334104c0$6601a8c0@duocore> Message-ID: <6D7C60D05C3D491DAB007AD5B4317792@OwnerPC> But expect a lot of e-mails and garbage mail Nelson ----- Original Message ----- From: "a.m." To: "GPV List" Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Christmas Greetings > It only asks for name, phone number, email address and a sign-in password. > The e-mail address can be a temporary throw-away. THEY DO NOT ASK FOR A > CREDIT CARD. > > Arnold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rose Ingram" > To: "GPV List" > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 1:10 PM > Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Christmas Greetings > > > Merry Christmas to all the genelogical buddies and 'cousins' on the > listserve. > > > If anyone has free time to do some genelogy over the weekend, the > following > may interest some of you. > > "Just a quick note to let you know that WorldVitalRecords.com wants to > wish > everyone a very Merry Christmas. They have opened free access to their > website from 23 Dec. until 28 Dec. 2009. You need to click on the link > below > to sign up. (No credit card required)" > > http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/email/promotional/WVRGift/xmas_lp_free.html > > Rose Ingram > > _______________________________________________ > Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org > Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv > > > _______________________________________________ > Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org > Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv > From Krampetz at aol.com Thu Dec 24 22:19:09 2009 From: Krampetz at aol.com (Krampetz@aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 01:19:09 EST Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Christmas Greetings Message-ID: You can put anything you want - in those question boxes, no verification is done. World Vital records has very little that isn't easy to find elsewhere, but why not check it out? ? ?????????? Weso?ych ?wi?t Frohe Weihnachten Merry Christmas Bob K. researching: Krampitz, Krampetz, Eggert, Egert In a message dated 12/24/2009 12:37:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, marlo50 at bex.net writes: I would not count this as free when they want all the information about applying for paid membership before you can access anything. I do not put information on the internet so they can access my creditcard as they choose. As I said, some offer. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Ingram" To: "GPV List" Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Christmas Greetings > Merry Christmas to all the genelogical buddies and 'cousins' on the > listserve. > > > If anyone has free time to do some genelogy over the weekend, the > following may interest some of you. > > "Just a quick note to let you know that WorldVitalRecords.com wants to > wish everyone a very Merry Christmas. They have opened free access to > their website from 23 Dec. until 28 Dec. 2009. You need to click on the > link below to sign up. (No credit card required)" > > http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/email/promotional/WVRGift/xmas_lp_free.html > > Rose Ingram > > _______________________________________________ > Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org > Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.430 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2585 - Release Date: 12/24/09 08:11:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.430 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2585 - Release Date: 12/24/09 08:11:00 _______________________________________________ Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv From tomjess64 at comcast.net Fri Dec 25 06:13:50 2009 From: tomjess64 at comcast.net (tomjess64@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:13:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Christmas Greetings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1302540461.881591261750430672.JavaMail.root@sz0103a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> It worked for me, no credit card required. I will be on the site a lot over the weekend. Thank You Rose. I have a free e-mail address over at hotmail.com which I always use when entering contests and such. I go in every once in a? while and trash all the garbage and "lotteries" I've won. Merry Christmas everyone. Thomas Jess ----- Original Message ----- From: Krampetz at aol.com To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 1:19:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Christmas Greetings You can put anything you want - ?in those question boxes, ?no ?verification is done. ? ?World Vital records has very little that isn't easy ?to find elsewhere, but why not check it out? ? ? ??????????? Weso?ych ??wi?t Frohe ?Weihnachten Merry ?Christmas ? Bob K. researching: ?Krampitz, Krampetz, Eggert, Egert ? ? In a message dated 12/24/2009 12:37:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ? marlo50 at bex.net writes: I would ?not count this as free when they want all the information about applying ?for paid membership before you can access anything. I do not put ?information on the internet so they can access my creditcard as they ?choose. As I said, some offer. ? Margaret ----- ?Original Message ----- From: "Rose Ingram" ? To: "GPV List" ? Sent: Thursday, December 24, ?2009 3:10 PM Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Christmas ?Greetings > Merry Christmas to all the genelogical buddies and ?'cousins' on the > listserve. > > > If anyone has ?free time to do some genelogy over the weekend, the > following may ?interest some of you. > > "Just a quick note to let you know that ?WorldVitalRecords.com wants to > wish everyone a very Merry Christmas. ?They have opened free access to > their website from 23 Dec. until 28 ?Dec. 2009. You need to click on the > link below to sign up. (No credit ?card required)" > > ? http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/email/promotional/WVRGift/xmas_lp_free.html > > ?Rose Ingram > > ?_______________________________________________ > Ger-Poland-Volhynia ?Mailing List hosted by > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe ?http://www.sggee.org > Mailing list info at ?http://www.sggee.org/listserv ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No ?virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - ?www.avg.com Version: 8.5.430 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2585 - Release ?Date: 12/24/09 08:11:00 No virus found in this outgoing ?message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.430 / Virus ?Database: 270.14.119/2585 - Release Date: 12/24/09 ?08:11:00 _______________________________________________ Ger-Poland-Volhynia ?Mailing List hosted by Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe ?http://www.sggee.org Mailing list info at ?http://www.sggee.org/listserv _______________________________________________ Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv From marana at tds.net Fri Dec 25 13:21:44 2009 From: marana at tds.net (Sandie) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:21:44 -0600 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Christmas Greetings In-Reply-To: <105C0F0A1BA24C719A2E58C40A26B556@margaret46066b> References: <007201ca84d5$334104c0$6601a8c0@duocore> <105C0F0A1BA24C719A2E58C40A26B556@margaret46066b> Message-ID: <4B352CE8.6090802@tds.net> I also checked out this website. After you enter your name, e-mail address and phone number, there is a comment that leads me to believe that it is one of those sites that is free at the present time. At the bottom of this screen it states You can also subscribe or cancel your FREE trial any time by calling a listed phone number listed. Thien it says This subscribes you to WorldVitalRecords.com's latest collections, features and news. Why would you have to notify them to cancel a FREE membership? marlo wrote: > I would not count this as free when they want all the information > about applying for paid membership before you can access anything. > I do not put information on the internet so they can access my > creditcard as they choose. > As I said, some offer. Margaret > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Ingram" > To: "GPV List" > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 3:10 PM > Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Christmas Greetings > > >> Merry Christmas to all the genelogical buddies and 'cousins' on the >> listserve. >> >> >> If anyone has free time to do some genelogy over the weekend, the >> following may interest some of you. >> >> "Just a quick note to let you know that WorldVitalRecords.com wants >> to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas. They have opened free access >> to their website from 23 Dec. until 28 Dec. 2009. You need to click >> on the link below to sign up. (No credit card required)" >> >> http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/email/promotional/WVRGift/xmas_lp_free.html >> >> >> Rose Ingram >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by >> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org >> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.430 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2585 - Release Date: > 12/24/09 08:11:00 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.430 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2585 - Release Date: 12/24/09 08:11:00 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org > Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv From Krampetz at aol.com Fri Dec 25 19:50:26 2009 From: Krampetz at aol.com (Krampetz@aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 22:50:26 EST Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Christmas Greetings Message-ID: Why? Perhaps they reused some old web page code... The point I, and others, have made - they do NOT check the validity of whatever name, ID, or phone number you enter. Should I spell it out? Leave Information Erroneously (L. I. E.) Bob In a message dated 12/25/2009 1:23:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, marana at tds.net writes: I also checked out this website. After you enter your name, e-mail address and phone number, there is a comment that leads me to believe that it is one of those sites that is free at the present time. At the bottom of this screen it states You can also subscribe or cancel your FREE trial any time by calling a listed phone number listed. Thien it says This subscribes you to WorldVitalRecords.com's latest collections, features and news. Why would you have to notify them to cancel a FREE membership? marlo wrote: > I would not count this as free when they want all the information > about applying for paid membership before you can access anything. > I do not put information on the internet so they can access my > creditcard as they choose. > As I said, some offer. Margaret > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Ingram" > To: "GPV List" > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 3:10 PM > Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Christmas Greetings > > >> Merry Christmas to all the genelogical buddies and 'cousins' on the >> listserve. >> >> >> If anyone has free time to do some genelogy over the weekend, the >> following may interest some of you. >> >> "Just a quick note to let you know that WorldVitalRecords.com wants >> to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas. They have opened free access >> to their website from 23 Dec. until 28 Dec. 2009. You need to click >> on the link below to sign up. (No credit card required)" >> >> http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/email/promotional/WVRGift/xmas_lp_free.html >> >> >> Rose Ingram >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by >> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org >> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.430 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2585 - Release Date: > 12/24/09 08:11:00 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.430 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2585 - Release Date: 12/24/09 08:11:00 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org > Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv _______________________________________________ Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv From cmduff at redwing.net Sat Dec 26 12:57:43 2009 From: cmduff at redwing.net (Carol Duff) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:57:43 -0600 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] WorldVitalRecords.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B3678C7.8040000@redwing.net> I'm trying to do the free access but just when I get someone the page goes blank. > From farose at gmail.com Sat Dec 26 18:33:05 2009 From: farose at gmail.com (F&RM Haddad) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:33:05 -0800 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Christmas greetings Message-ID: I just went to the site Rose told us about, and after the first page, with the information that is quite general, I was taken to a second page, where they wanted my credit card info before I would get the free 7-day (or what is left of it) membership, and I could cancel if I didn't want it after my free time was up. Why? Because the time is half over? Why? Because I'm not from the US? My credit card and its info are staying far away from the computer. Rose-Marie From farose at gmail.com Sat Dec 26 18:39:44 2009 From: farose at gmail.com (F&RM Haddad) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:39:44 -0800 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] world vital records Message-ID: Scratch my last posting. I went in and tried again, and this time was successful without credit card info wanted. Maybe I hit a wrong button the first time. Rose-Marie From roseingram at shaw.ca Sat Dec 26 19:16:43 2009 From: roseingram at shaw.ca (Rose Ingram) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:16:43 -0800 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] world vital records References: Message-ID: <001401ca86a3$0445e080$6601a8c0@duocore> Rose-Marie Yes, you probably clicked the wrong button. The correct button should be the "Search Now" button next to the words "Free Access". There are several databases on their website which are free to us already, like the Ellis Island database. Also, the Word Vital Records site is available for free at all Family History Centers - they should have at least one computer set up under a "Portal" entry. This Portal contains other databases too, but most contain United States information. Some website in this portal supply only indexes, others have more data. Something to check out when you are next at your Family History Center. Rose Ingram ----- Original Message ----- From: F&RM Haddad To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] world vital records Scratch my last posting. I went in and tried again, and this time was successful without credit card info wanted. Maybe I hit a wrong button the first time. Rose-Marie _______________________________________________ Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv From herbert.stockbauer at mineralogischer-kreis.de Sun Dec 27 03:46:20 2009 From: herbert.stockbauer at mineralogischer-kreis.de (Herbert Stockbauer) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:46:20 +0100 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] world vital records In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B37490C.9040900@mineralogischer-kreis.de> Hello to all Just found this on [Austria-L] today, which can explain the different behaviour of this site: - - - - - - Es gibt wieder einmal eine Werbeaktion bei der man diese Datenbanken umsonst bis zum 28.12.2009 sichten kann. Vorgehensweise: Link anklicken: http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/email/promotional/wvrgift/xmas_lp_free.html Im Fenster rechts oben den Button "Search Now" anklicken. Ein Eingabefenster erscheint. Achtung: wenn sie das Fenster wegklicken, kommen sie kein zweites Mal zu diesem Fenster! Geben sie im Fenster die Daten ein. Es k?nnen auch Falsche sein. Die Daten/ E-Mailadresse sind nicht zur Freigabe der Suche n?tig! Notieren sie sich Mailadresse und Passwort f?r sp?teres Anmelden. - - - - - There's a promotion again where you can access those databases for free until 2009-12-28 How to use: Click the link In the right upper part click "Search now" and an input window shows up NOTE: If you cancel that window, it will never show up again! Enter your data in that window, they can be fake also and are not necessary to enable the free search. Just keep the mail address and password you used to unsubscribe later. Maybe thats the differences some people found on this site - hope that helps. Best regards from Germany, Herbert (Stockbauer) F&RM Haddad schrieb: > Scratch my last posting. I went in and tried again, and this time was > successful without credit card info wanted. Maybe I hit a wrong button the > first time. > Rose-Marie From lloydfriedrick at telus.net Tue Dec 29 14:32:32 2009 From: lloydfriedrick at telus.net (Lloyd Friedrick) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:32:32 -0800 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Barons & Baronettes Message-ID: <293C3DE3084147B89594890BF3D77DA6@LloydPC> Some old letters from my Volhynian relatives refer to our great great grandfather Gottlieb Thrun was known as Baron von Thrun. A reference in the Odessa site does list him as an landowner near Stettin in old Pomerania. My view is that the title Baron in the late 1700 - early 1800 simply expressed the fact that the person was a freeholder of land rather than a member of the Aristocracy of the day. Many of the younger members of my family of being descendents of the title and their desire to be descended from Royalty. I would like to advise them of lesser expectations from this simple reference in our heritage. Would others on this listserve help me with this issue of explaining a Baron to my young generation. lloyd friedrick in Victoria From FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca Wed Dec 30 08:25:48 2009 From: FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca (Jerry Frank) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:25:48 -0700 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Barons & Baronettes In-Reply-To: <293C3DE3084147B89594890BF3D77DA6@LloydPC> References: <293C3DE3084147B89594890BF3D77DA6@LloydPC> Message-ID: <4B3B7F0C.50107@shaw.ca> There are varying degrees of what constitutes royalty, nobility, aristocracy, etc. depending on the country you are dealing with and perhaps even the time frame. One overview of this is provided at http://www.heraldica.org/topics/odegard/titlefaq.htm with the specific title of Baron being dealt with near the end. It is not easy to find scholarly material with a GOOGLE search as there are so many sites that are attempting to sell such titles, probably fraudulently. Such title might arise out of the land ownership status of the person or it could be bestowed for meritorious military or other service to royalty. Just because a family ancestor once held noble status, it does not mean that you can still claim the same today. If your family once held a Coat of Arms (in German, Wappen), it does not mean you can claim to own it today. So it seems certain that you are connected to nobility which is nice. Whether or not you have connections to royalty will require diligent research to see who married who. The story itself of course has to also be verified through research. Most Thrun I found briefly on the Internet seem to originate in Pomerania. This document http://www.buetow-pommern.info/materialien/DOWNLOAD/VEROEFF0.PDF (it is very large so expect a long download) lists several of them with privileges and land ownership status going back to the 1700s. The amount of land when shown seems minimal so I don't know if they would qualify for Baron status or not. Jerry Frank Calgary, AB Lloyd Friedrick wrote: > Some old letters from my Volhynian relatives refer to our great great grandfather Gottlieb Thrun was known as Baron von Thrun. > > A reference in the Odessa site does list him as an landowner near Stettin in old Pomerania. > > My view is that the title Baron in the late 1700 - early 1800 simply expressed the fact that the person was a freeholder of land rather than a member of the Aristocracy of the day. > Many of the younger members of my family of being descendents of the title and their desire to be descended from Royalty. > I would like to advise them of lesser expectations from this simple reference in our heritage. > > Would others on this listserve help me with this issue of explaining a Baron to my young generation. > > lloyd friedrick in Victoria > > > From benovich at imt.net Wed Dec 30 14:25:02 2009 From: benovich at imt.net (Richard Benert) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:25:02 -0700 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Barons & Baronettes References: <293C3DE3084147B89594890BF3D77DA6@LloydPC> <4B3B7F0C.50107@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <00ac01ca899e$ef85c580$0301a8c0@richard01> For what it's worth, my GoogleBook search turned up John. H. Pinches, "European Nobility and Heraldry: A Comparative Study....", 1994. There must be many others, but this one is fairly recent and must have a bibliography of some worth. Dick Benert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Frank" To: "Lloyd Friedrick" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Barons & Baronettes > There are varying degrees of what constitutes royalty, nobility, > aristocracy, etc. depending on the country you are dealing with and > perhaps even the time frame. > > One overview of this is provided at > http://www.heraldica.org/topics/odegard/titlefaq.htm with the specific > title of Baron being dealt with near the end. It is not easy to find > scholarly material with a GOOGLE search as there are so many sites that > are attempting to sell such titles, probably fraudulently. Such title > might arise out of the land ownership status of the person or it could > be bestowed for meritorious military or other service to royalty. Just > because a family ancestor once held noble status, it does not mean that > you can still claim the same today. If your family once held a Coat of > Arms (in German, Wappen), it does not mean you can claim to own it today. > > So it seems certain that you are connected to nobility which is nice. > Whether or not you have connections to royalty will require diligent > research to see who married who. The story itself of course has to also > be verified through research. Most Thrun I found briefly on the > Internet seem to originate in Pomerania. This document > http://www.buetow-pommern.info/materialien/DOWNLOAD/VEROEFF0.PDF (it is > very large so expect a long download) lists several of them with > privileges and land ownership status going back to the 1700s. The > amount of land when shown seems minimal so I don't know if they would > qualify for Baron status or not. > > > Jerry Frank > Calgary, AB > > > > Lloyd Friedrick wrote: >> Some old letters from my Volhynian relatives refer to our great great >> grandfather Gottlieb Thrun was known as Baron von Thrun. >> >> A reference in the Odessa site does list him as an landowner near Stettin >> in old Pomerania. >> >> My view is that the title Baron in the late 1700 - early 1800 simply >> expressed the fact that the person was a freeholder of land rather than a >> member of the Aristocracy of the day. >> Many of the younger members of my family of being descendents of the >> title and their desire to be descended from Royalty. >> I would like to advise them of lesser expectations from this simple >> reference in our heritage. >> >> Would others on this listserve help me with this issue of explaining a >> Baron to my young generation. >> >> lloyd friedrick in Victoria >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org > Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.431 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: 12/30/09 07:27:00 From colnels at telus.net Wed Dec 30 15:11:34 2009 From: colnels at telus.net (Nelson Itterman) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:11:34 -0700 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Barons & Baronettes In-Reply-To: <00ac01ca899e$ef85c580$0301a8c0@richard01> References: <293C3DE3084147B89594890BF3D77DA6@LloydPC> <4B3B7F0C.50107@shaw.ca> <00ac01ca899e$ef85c580$0301a8c0@richard01> Message-ID: <000001ca89a5$6e760d40$4b6227c0$@net> Hi Dick: I guess that certainly rules out any possibility of Nobility for us. Nelson -----Original Message----- From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Richard Benert Sent: December-30-09 3:25 PM To: Jerry Frank; Lloyd Friedrick Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Barons & Baronettes For what it's worth, my GoogleBook search turned up John. H. Pinches, "European Nobility and Heraldry: A Comparative Study....", 1994. There must be many others, but this one is fairly recent and must have a bibliography of some worth. Dick Benert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Frank" To: "Lloyd Friedrick" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Barons & Baronettes > There are varying degrees of what constitutes royalty, nobility, > aristocracy, etc. depending on the country you are dealing with and > perhaps even the time frame. > > One overview of this is provided at > http://www.heraldica.org/topics/odegard/titlefaq.htm with the specific > title of Baron being dealt with near the end. It is not easy to find > scholarly material with a GOOGLE search as there are so many sites that > are attempting to sell such titles, probably fraudulently. Such title > might arise out of the land ownership status of the person or it could > be bestowed for meritorious military or other service to royalty. Just > because a family ancestor once held noble status, it does not mean that > you can still claim the same today. If your family once held a Coat of > Arms (in German, Wappen), it does not mean you can claim to own it today. > > So it seems certain that you are connected to nobility which is nice. > Whether or not you have connections to royalty will require diligent > research to see who married who. The story itself of course has to also > be verified through research. Most Thrun I found briefly on the > Internet seem to originate in Pomerania. This document > http://www.buetow-pommern.info/materialien/DOWNLOAD/VEROEFF0.PDF (it is > very large so expect a long download) lists several of them with > privileges and land ownership status going back to the 1700s. The > amount of land when shown seems minimal so I don't know if they would > qualify for Baron status or not. > > > Jerry Frank > Calgary, AB > > > > Lloyd Friedrick wrote: >> Some old letters from my Volhynian relatives refer to our great great >> grandfather Gottlieb Thrun was known as Baron von Thrun. >> >> A reference in the Odessa site does list him as an landowner near Stettin >> in old Pomerania. >> >> My view is that the title Baron in the late 1700 - early 1800 simply >> expressed the fact that the person was a freeholder of land rather than a >> member of the Aristocracy of the day. >> Many of the younger members of my family of being descendents of the >> title and their desire to be descended from Royalty. >> I would like to advise them of lesser expectations from this simple >> reference in our heritage. >> >> Would others on this listserve help me with this issue of explaining a >> Baron to my young generation. >> >> lloyd friedrick in Victoria >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by > Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org > Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. 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